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Salton Sea 4
Thread started by Roadblock at 09.8.10 - 4:29 pm

because Burning Man is really just a warm up for this annual party in the desert.... discuss.

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Im going this year ....



OsnapsonJC
09.8.10 - 4:29 pm

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I would totally like to go too.



danceralamode
responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
09.8.10 - 4:32 pm

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so true. I'm cumming thinking about it



FMLY
09.8.10 - 4:33 pm

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there neeeeeds to be a FMLY Salton Sea edition...



Roadblock
responding to a comment by FMLY
09.8.10 - 4:34 pm

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but considering FMLY is cumming just thinking about it, whats going to happen at the event?

Anyhow, Im in.



md2
responding to a comment by Roadblock
09.8.10 - 4:37 pm

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Are you referring to

SALT-ON




?








Joe Borfo
09.8.10 - 4:45 pm

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Did you bring the Det-Cord?
Please tell me you didn't forget the Det-Cord.



bentstrider
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
09.8.10 - 4:51 pm

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I'll let you Macgyver it if you actually come for once.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by bentstrider
09.8.10 - 4:56 pm

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I ain't missing it this year. I might even decide to drive if I can find a bike rack on time. Can't wait to jump in the hot springs and take my vitamin e on the dirt.



GodLovesUgly
09.8.10 - 4:56 pm

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FISH ASSHOLES!

I think I am out this year... bring some back for me, Borfo?



Kakihara
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
09.8.10 - 5:05 pm

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WoMp



Gav
09.8.10 - 5:41 pm

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YES YES YES YE SYE SYE SY ESYE SYES YES YES !!!



jonnyboy
09.8.10 - 7:05 pm

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You mean NEXT YEAR? or are people talking about having it sooner, like THIS YEAR?





the reverend dak
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
09.8.10 - 9:35 pm

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i know it will be different than last year or the year before, but i'm still stoked.



mikeywally
09.8.10 - 9:40 pm

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Last year's was better, but next year's will be the best.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by mikeywally
09.8.10 - 9:54 pm

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stoked on the positivity.



mikeywally
09.8.10 - 11:15 pm

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i'm cumming



louisiana
09.9.10 - 12:55 am

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I think everyone is cumming.



Roadblock
09.9.10 - 1:54 am

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Salton Sea should be twice a year



spiraldemon
09.9.10 - 10:43 am

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Youre not going anywhere!



buckchin
responding to a comment by md2
09.9.10 - 3:47 pm

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definitely in



andres84
09.9.10 - 4:01 pm

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Did you enjoy Black Rock City, sir?



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by andres84
09.9.10 - 4:02 pm

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Cruss Buss!



buckchin
responding to a comment by andres84
09.9.10 - 4:04 pm

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Not down for another cruss buss, no way hahahahhaa.



imachynna
responding to a comment by buckchin
09.9.10 - 4:18 pm

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it would be good for you to cum at least twice a year...



Roadblock
responding to a comment by spiraldemon
09.9.10 - 4:43 pm

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going to burning man made me miss the salton sea.



larsenf
09.9.10 - 10:09 pm

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i need this.



trickmilla
09.9.10 - 11:32 pm

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loved it and wish you were there to teach me the Joe Borfo ways. Soon very soon


and salton sea is the place to be kids dont miss out


CRUSS BUS R.I.P.



andres84
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
09.10.10 - 12:00 am

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WOOHOOO!!!

Salton Sea year2 was RAD. Anyone interested in NOLA for NewYears prior to the C?



Coe coe buttaa
09.10.10 - 2:54 am

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will there be more magic punch this year?



indigis
09.10.10 - 8:27 am

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the cruss buss may not be dead. we will see.



slowrighthand
09.10.10 - 10:30 am

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How does this trip work? I've never been. Do I need to rent a car or something? Does everyone bring their bikes? Does anyone have room in their vehicle? I really want to go, it sounded like so much fun last year.



danceralamode
09.10.10 - 10:32 am

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beautifully, is how it works.

you get there any way you can. there are some bouncy dirt roads, but little hondas managed to make it last year. people share rides like any trip and some of us rented a big ass van last year. when it gets closer it will all be worked out.

you bring a bike, you ride a bike, you fall off a bike, you make sweet love to a bike.


just watch out for shrapnel.



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by danceralamode
09.10.10 - 10:37 am

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I moved when this happened last year .. I still could have went but I was late on the ride sharing and I dont drive so Im 4sure going ....



OsnapsonJC
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
09.10.10 - 11:05 am

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SALTON SEA 4 - THE ELECTRO WARS
WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?



newarkhouse
09.10.10 - 11:30 am

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Awesomeness. I would totally go in on a car rental with some ppl. Not sure I want to drive though. Haven't driven in over a year, not sure I remember how.



danceralamode
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
09.10.10 - 11:35 am

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YOU KNOW I AM.

We should be planning a whole calendar of road trips.


FYI. for the others, the way salton sea works is EVERYONE chips in $5 in advance. that way We get porta potties and firewood. There are all kinds of sights to see including the mud towers, hot springs, the aqueduct, salvation mountain, moth's crib, slab city, niland devastation, the ride to bombay beach... bring a valentine as it is valentines day weekend. leave no trace, respect the squatters, love the earth.

The area is in economic depression. No franchises for 30-40 miles. The local bar is awesome.



Roadblock
responding to a comment by Coe coe buttaa
09.10.10 - 12:34 pm

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I heard there is a flash flood warning this year! Bring buns for falling cheezburgers. Dont forget your English to Womp translation guide. And most importantly SHUT THE FUCK UP!



buckchin
09.10.10 - 1:50 pm

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:) can't wait!



et
09.10.10 - 1:54 pm

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we'll just have to get to the high ground then! we will arrive on hover craft.



Roadblock
responding to a comment by buckchin
09.10.10 - 2:00 pm

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i want to go this year if i can pull it off. not sure if i'm gonna have to work any of the week between xmas and new years. we'll see.



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by Coe coe buttaa
09.10.10 - 2:02 pm

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Two days later and now I get it. Funny!



petr0lb0mb
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
09.10.10 - 4:02 pm

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When is the next Salton Sea trip? I wanna go again.



studiodrome
09.10.10 - 4:35 pm

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I'm not organizing it. Not sure if Tren Way folks are either.

Usually it has been on President's day weekend/ Valentine's day. Feb 14-16th.

I'm assuming people will collaborate and make it happen again as usual.

It's a great place. One of the last really free places around. Treat it well.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by studiodrome
09.10.10 - 4:51 pm

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It seems to now be tradition to have it on valentines day weekend.... Yes yes YES. You guys will be newlyweds by then I assume?



Roadblock
responding to a comment by studiodrome
09.10.10 - 4:59 pm

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I herd this was dope as fuck to do! dos the narcs come out to this? I'm leving my dope at home if Joe Borof is going!!!! do the NO NARCS ride!



fixie4life
09.10.10 - 5:05 pm

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No, it's been tradition to hold it on the President's Day 3 day weekend which sometimes coincides with Valentine's Day. Next year they don't as President's Day is on 2/21.

http://www.when-is.com/presidents-day-2011.asp



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by Roadblock
09.10.10 - 5:13 pm

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Ok, you gotta be User1.



GodLovesUgly
responding to a comment by fixie4life
09.10.10 - 5:18 pm

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WTF?????? watz with all this crap? tin foil hats is on other thread!!!!

u must be tyhat dude that feed every one PnJ sandwichs!!!



fixie4life
09.10.10 - 5:24 pm

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Ahhhhhhhhh ok so sounds like it's gonna be the weekend of 2/21!





Roadblock
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
09.10.10 - 5:53 pm

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Who do we pay the money to? .. or ... when do people normally pay ...



OsnapsonJC
responding to a comment by Roadblock
09.10.10 - 6:27 pm

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Pay up until when the portapotties are ordered, probably a week and a half before the weekend. Who will be accepting the money? Who knows? I vote for Rambod since he's done such a great job with Ridazz Camp dues.



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
09.10.10 - 6:35 pm

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you cannot convince me! cruss buss is dead!



imachynna
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
09.10.10 - 6:40 pm

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I second that! Rambod, the bare naked accountant!






Roadblock
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
09.10.10 - 7:00 pm

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Cool ... thank you ...



OsnapsonJC
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
09.10.10 - 8:09 pm

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I can go this year WOOOOHOOOOO. im not to young no mo.



popsiclekid
09.11.10 - 12:53 pm

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Salton sea falls at a horrible time for me because of work so I don't think I could be due keeper for that trip. I have neither that Friday nor Monday off and may even have to work the weekend

if we have another new years trip I'm more than happy to help with that



secretragingcow
09.11.10 - 1:10 pm

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So down!!



TacoBella
09.11.10 - 1:18 pm

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Good times.



rayrayray
responding to a comment by TacoBella
09.11.10 - 6:10 pm

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I won't be a newlywed by valentines day but shortly after.



studiodrome
09.12.10 - 10:50 am

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i do what i want!



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by imachynna
09.12.10 - 1:55 pm

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We're CUMMING!

Skano
Niki
and Baby Fiona
WE'RE IN!!!



skano
09.13.10 - 2:16 am

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I Guarantee MAD BIKE POLO AT SS4!



skano
09.13.10 - 2:18 am

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Yeah... that didnt really work out last year.



buckchin
responding to a comment by skano
09.13.10 - 2:54 pm

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I hear Jared Leto is sponsoring the toilets and wood this year, 30 Seconds to Mars is going to play, and they're bringing a bunch of tweener pop-culture consumerists along because no one else likes the crap that he puts out!!!

WE'RE ALL SELLOUTS!!!!





toweliesbong
09.13.10 - 3:59 pm

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Shit, I hear there's gonna be vendor tents lining up salvation mountain this year with shirts from all the major rides that happen throughout the city. I've never been to TT (soon to change) but I can't wait to buy some of their shirts and give them to my non-rider friends for their bdays and xmas.



*In case it went over your head, I'm not dissing anyone or their rides. I love our DIY community and we should all do whatever makes us happy and quit lookin at the next ridah's direction. Ride on you crazy Midnight Ridazz.



July
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
09.13.10 - 4:09 pm

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So what's the bad news??



palucha66
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
09.13.10 - 4:09 pm

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What's the bad news? Everyone's going to Portland next year for President's Day weekend. The joke's on Jared.



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by palucha66
09.13.10 - 4:19 pm

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oh man oh man oh man oh man. Excited.



Frozen Fingersss
09.13.10 - 6:01 pm

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Two basic things need to happen:

1. Order the appropriate number of porta-potties.

2. Collect enough money from each attendee to pay for them.

Potties are necessary, 100+ people need to poop. Pee isn't an issue in the desert, but poop is gross.

Optional, but makes things better:

1. Firewood
2. Scheduled Events and Rides.








the reverend dak
09.20.10 - 9:46 pm

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Optional, but makes things amazing à la final night of Burning Man Ridazz Camp:

3. Lots of things that explode and make big loud booms!!!



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
09.20.10 - 10:02 pm

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i am so there..anyone who's in charge of collecting dues??..keep me posted



L.A. Car Killer
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
09.20.10 - 11:48 pm

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maybe we can use jared leto's wood..hahah .. to make a polo board court...fuck that guy im taking his wood



L.A. Car Killer
09.20.10 - 11:49 pm

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Any way. who ever is in charge of organizing this event please keep me informed of whats going on

lacarkiller@aol.com - thanks



L.A. Car Killer
09.21.10 - 12:06 am

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maybe we could add a scavenger hunt this year?
i really want to contribute this year. hmmm....



July
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
09.21.10 - 12:42 am

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it's your job to stay informed.
just check this thread every now and again.



July
responding to a comment by L.A. Car Killer
09.21.10 - 12:42 am

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i see..i never been there so i dont know how and when it all works out..but yeah ill keep my self informed..i mean i have to if i want to go



L.A. Car Killer
responding to a comment by July
09.21.10 - 12:52 am

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AOL? really? You've already lost.



secretragingcow
responding to a comment by L.A. Car Killer
09.21.10 - 12:58 am

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that's how everyone else does it.




July
responding to a comment by L.A. Car Killer
09.21.10 - 1:08 am

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just keepin it o.g.



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by secretragingcow
09.21.10 - 10:27 am

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i have a request for the community- build and bring more freak bikes and sculptures!!!

if this is truly our own little burning man, than we need more self-created vehicles and pieces of art!

the jeffogy was awesome, why not make it bigger, or better yet, have similar structures that that can be set on fire every night ala the portal, the man, the temple @ BM

in terms of rides other than Bombay Beach, im pretty sure theres going to be another Slab City Mosey this year curated by JB and his marvelous mundo.








newarkhouse
09.21.10 - 10:40 am

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in the pics from burning man i noticed they had a welder at ridazz camp...

that would be SICK for the Sea



SnapperS
09.21.10 - 10:57 am

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I'm going to find the kiddy bike tandem that was surrendered to the desert and steal it back



clearskittles
responding to a comment by newarkhouse
09.21.10 - 10:58 am

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No welder at Ridazz Camp, that was Jet Fuel at Gigsville, he came to SS last year, don't know if he's coming this year or if he would bring his welding gear.



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by SnapperS
09.21.10 - 11:25 am

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it's in portland, so you got a long journey ahead.



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by clearskittles
11.16.10 - 1:24 pm

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oh man...



Coe coe buttaa
11.16.10 - 1:38 pm

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SUPER!



^olsko*jr7
11.16.10 - 2:43 pm

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oh coe...



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by Coe coe buttaa
11.16.10 - 5:09 pm

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all in favor of a central fire say I


I



imachynna
11.16.10 - 5:27 pm

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I!



coldcut
responding to a comment by imachynna
11.16.10 - 5:32 pm

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iiiiiiiiii !!!



Coe coe buttaa
responding to a comment by imachynna
11.16.10 - 6:18 pm

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we really should plan out the layout better... last year was a study in micro urban sprawl....




Roadblock
responding to a comment by imachynna
11.16.10 - 6:29 pm

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Pedalll Fennssssss!!
hahah made me crack up!!



Pedal Feens
responding to a comment by Roadblock
11.16.10 - 7:05 pm

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PEDAL FEEEENSSSS



Roadblock
responding to a comment by Pedal Feens
11.16.10 - 10:30 pm

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might be the first Salton Sea I go to. hopefully everything goes well. By when do we pay?



palucha66
11.16.10 - 10:41 pm

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:D that shits stukk in my head.

but yea when is this sounds cool.



Pedal Feens
responding to a comment by Roadblock
11.16.10 - 11:11 pm

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holy shit.

holy shit.

we need . . .

holy sht.



mikeywally
11.16.10 - 11:35 pm

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EYE!



jonnyboy
responding to a comment by imachynna
11.17.10 - 2:45 am

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all over the idea of a central campfire. plot sizes in the img are about 20ft square w/ lotsa padding. poop located pretty close to center but not TOO close!

took a lot of inspiration from how salton sea 2 was set up, just some ideas!





jonnyboy
responding to a comment by Roadblock
11.17.10 - 3:52 am

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Nice start jonny, just remember, the actual drift of sand below the berm makes such a concentric layout an issue (there's that ledge that split camp last year, as well as the soft sand bog that fronts it) however, unlike BRC, the terrain at Slab CIty changes year to year, so any camp plan is tenative, however I am down to work with an organizing posse idea to get a few people out early to help with layout, etc.
dividing a little more along the road, and placing POOP at the end might work better, but I like the idea of taking from SS2 for layout a little more, keep the road the center. Main fire is good, I think little fires are ok as well, but there should be a main fire. We really do want to avoid the empty middle of camp split level thing we had goin last year.



FuzzBeast
11.17.10 - 6:17 am

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I can totally bring out some welding gear if there's enough interest.

I'm not missing SS4.



jetfuel
responding to a comment by SnapperS
11.17.10 - 7:17 am

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There is, and has, been a nice central FLAT area that has been the camp fire the first TWO years. Everyone tended to camp around it just nicely. When an early crew showed up, and tried to make the "community" fire off on the hillside, and put all their tents within 20 feet of that fire, that's why there wasn't a community fire this year.

The ring for that central fire is still there, heavily used. It's one of the only flat areas that's actually CLEAR of brush and rocks 50 ft all around. No one camped there, it's near where a lot of red-neck soccer was played (the flaming toilet paper ball.)

I wouldn't PLOT the camp spaces, just designate the central camp fire, and let people camp where they want as long as they are AT LEAST 50 FEET from the fire. Drop off the wood about 50' from that spot, but away from the road, and put the potties where they were last year (which looks about right, according to that map.)









the reverend dak
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
11.17.10 - 10:48 am

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jonnyboy
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
11.17.10 - 12:12 pm

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Awesome. But I still think the poopers are too close.




July
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
11.17.10 - 12:47 pm

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The pooper seemed like they were in a good spot, last year. When you're drunk/etc you don't really wanna trek across the dessert to find a pooper (:



mossygoodness
11.17.10 - 1:09 pm

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All I want for christmas is Salton Sea 4 and Portlands Mini Bike Winter to be on different dates.






Graham
11.17.10 - 1:33 pm

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yeah when i went to visit other campers i could smell the poopers (depending on wind)

not too worried about it. we will figure it out once we get there. there really is no point in having a layout

*main fire
*poopers

the end

+555 Dak


btw EVERYONE should bring wood.. don't take main fire wood to your own little cuddle fest, bring your own.




Kakihara
responding to a comment by July
11.17.10 - 1:40 pm

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Bring MBW to SS4






Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Graham
11.17.10 - 1:52 pm

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Joe Borfo
11.17.10 - 1:54 pm

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Kakihara says:

"there really is no point in having a layout"

after what happened last year, a little bit of layout pre-thought could go along quite swimmingly

sometimes a visual diagram is worth 2,000 posts on midnight ridazz





jonnyboy
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11.17.10 - 5:38 pm

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If you want grids and plots, stay in the city.

If you want all the comforts of home, stay home.

Dak is right about the campfire. Do that, keep the honeypots far from everything, and let the rest develop organically for crying out loud. Don't suck what's left of the fun and spontaneity out of this thing, OK? OK!



PC
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
11.22.10 - 3:42 pm

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THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BURNING MAN.





Joe Borfo
11.22.10 - 3:45 pm

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need more diagrams!



mikeywally
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
11.22.10 - 4:14 pm

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but will there be electrical, sewage and water hook ups for RV's?



sexy
responding to a comment by PC
11.22.10 - 4:21 pm

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RV's are LAME!



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by sexy
11.22.10 - 4:22 pm

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I agree with PC.... let's not plan TOO much but as far as the poopers and main fire I'd like to see the poopers move further south. The reason being is that when the cops come by those poopers become symbols of responsibility, the cops see them and continue drifting on by....

I was one of the early ones last year and we set up camp up top to get away from what we thought was going to be the main area. Unfortunately our camp became the main area!



Roadblock
responding to a comment by PC
11.22.10 - 5:22 pm

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RV's are for poosies.



Roadblock
responding to a comment by sexy
11.22.10 - 5:22 pm

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also this year will be the first year that we are having xray body scanners.... you can always opt out though.



Roadblock
11.22.10 - 5:24 pm

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no planing. except for bringing earplugs.



indigis
responding to a comment by Roadblock
11.22.10 - 5:25 pm

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WOMP WOMP WOMP WOMP



mossygoodness
responding to a comment by indigis
11.23.10 - 12:19 am

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This year there will be strict rules in place. No dubstep, no 4loko, no bicycles and no groping.



Roadblock
11.23.10 - 10:07 am

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and eye protection.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by indigis
11.23.10 - 10:32 am

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I'm planning on attending this year.
If my sound system can be of help hit me up.



trickmilla
responding to a comment by Roadblock
11.23.10 - 10:56 am

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And body condumbs.



Roadblock
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
11.23.10 - 10:58 am

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Xray body scanners? Ooooo AaaaaaaaaAAAah OH YEAH Oooooooo yes



Coe coe buttaa
responding to a comment by Roadblock
11.23.10 - 12:45 pm

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i'm bringing this shit even crazier than dubstep, you guys are going to freak out!



mikeywally
11.23.10 - 3:31 pm

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so Feb 18-19-20-21



LouisAve
11.23.10 - 3:54 pm

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i am cumming ALL THE WAY THERE by bike! join me!



katnip
11.23.10 - 6:39 pm

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I am interested.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by katnip
11.23.10 - 6:48 pm

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Please bring a conga and/or djembe!!



Coe coe buttaa
responding to a comment by mikeywally
11.23.10 - 9:43 pm

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Sooooo this is my first year going and im nervous. I need to save some money!



palucha66
11.23.10 - 11:52 pm

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so whos collecting the Money for the P.Ps??




LouisAve
11.24.10 - 10:45 am

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I couldn't consider dubstep even remotely "crazy", shitty maybe.

So BRING IT.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by mikeywally
11.24.10 - 10:47 am

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oh my god, thank you. I thought maybe I was just getting old.



md2
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
11.24.10 - 11:27 am

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consider it BRIZought.



mikeywally
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
11.24.10 - 11:39 am

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I've always been skeptical about trends, and they rarely prove to other than a shitty fad.

But dubstep has to be one of the worst fads in music, EVER. Yes, worst than EMO.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by md2
11.24.10 - 12:48 pm

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Would anyone object if I screened patches for SS4?



mossygoodness
11.30.10 - 1:06 pm

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No, this event is D.I.Y.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by mossygoodness
11.30.10 - 1:08 pm

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in other words - Make it happen.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by mossygoodness
11.30.10 - 1:09 pm

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Steele yourselves, cause it's happening.



mossygoodness
11.30.10 - 2:13 pm

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JULY, JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL-EYE! I hope you check this thread again because a SCAVENGER HUNT would b awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwesome. I'll help somehow, someway. Just point in any direction gravity will permit me to reach.

p.s. I reallllly hope no one tries to "lay out" the camp. That just leads to segregation. Let it happen organically. Let people show up and camp where they choose. The only thing that needs to be laid out is where the toilets go, where the fire is, and no-camp zone around the fire. : )

ALSO all of your pickley wishes will come true on this weekend!!! If you should have any special pickled requests, post 'em up here.



kryxtanicole
11.30.10 - 2:28 pm

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Shit! I'm down. Let's make it happen!


love,

Julie



July
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
11.30.10 - 3:01 pm

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This year we must make the sky rain cheezburgers



buckchin
11.30.10 - 3:14 pm

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Why don't you collect it since you're the organizer on FB



secretragingcow
responding to a comment by LouisAve
11.30.10 - 3:40 pm

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POST IT ON THE CALENDAR!!!

POST YOUR EVENTS!

I REALLY REALLY HOPE YOU ALL CAN COME, I'm looking at you CRUSS MOB and MOM RIDAZZ. We need some REAL LA CULTURE in the MIX!



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by July
11.30.10 - 3:49 pm

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We might have to go out there a week or two before to plan accordingly. I really would love to make an awesome scavenger hunt. Anyone else want to help out, let us know either through FB or on here or email me at july_cardoza@yahoo.com



July
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
11.30.10 - 3:54 pm

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dak- you gonna post Salton Sea on the MR calendar?

I know there is a facebook event for it but I'm sure you didn't post that one, haha.

SATURDAY NIGHT AFTER TWILIGHT -- COME TO THE HIPPYRAVERBIKESCUM RIDE!

Featuring DJ's from LA and Santa Cruz + several thousand watts of cycled sound amplification! Ride time after twilight -> party time o'clock all night at a secret location until the sun comes up.

On route back to camp there will be a pitstop for hot spring showers with classical music or music requests from locals.

hippyraverbikescum ride

RIDE ON!



jonnyboy
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
11.30.10 - 4:55 pm

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Nice



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
11.30.10 - 5:03 pm

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I don't personally have any events planned but we'll see.

Particular and individual events should be planned and posted.

Should we use a common prefix?

Such as [SS4], or [Salton Sea 4]?

Probably a good way to make it clear.

As for the whole weekend, I see no point. The thread has it all covered, I think.





the reverend dak
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
11.30.10 - 5:13 pm

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i listen to debussy and nico after a hard night of partying.



mikeywally
11.30.10 - 5:15 pm

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A lot of helpful info is on that ridazzcamp google group site under Pages.

If anyone wants moderator privileges, let me know.



Joe Borfo
11.30.10 - 5:16 pm

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as there is going to be no planning for the layout of the camp this year i hear jonny boy is going to set up all 5000watts of his sound system as close to matt stilline's tent/the tren way ghetto as possible.


LOS ANGELOPES ARE GOING TO LICK YOUR EAR DRUMS TILL YOU CUM GREASE AND MELT YOUR FACE OFF AND DRINK IT WITH MESCALINE TEA





newarkhouse
11.30.10 - 5:38 pm

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oh please, tren way doesn't give a fuck. Bring it, it just better not SUCK!



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by newarkhouse
11.30.10 - 8:20 pm

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duMbstep



imachynna
11.30.10 - 8:36 pm

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wish my html skillz were good enough to resize that image

IaMDchynMA




newarkhouse
11.30.10 - 9:04 pm

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mikeywally
11.30.10 - 9:19 pm

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how wide is ridazz? 500?





mikeywally
11.30.10 - 9:20 pm

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swerve- alicious



imachynna
responding to a comment by newarkhouse
11.30.10 - 9:26 pm

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i'm camping in a portapotty this year. no pooping while i'm sleeping.



slowrighthand
11.30.10 - 10:52 pm

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I need a TENTMATE TENTRAPE2k11.



Coe coe buttaa
12.1.10 - 12:36 am

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er... stay clear of the local meth heads. SRSLY

Look out for each other out there.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Coe coe buttaa
12.1.10 - 12:43 am

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are you not going?



Coe coe buttaa
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
12.1.10 - 12:55 am

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I certainly hope to be there. Fingers crossed!



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Coe coe buttaa
12.1.10 - 12:59 am

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Are you unable to setup your tent by yourself CoeCoeButta?



franz
12.1.10 - 3:14 am

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raperaperapetent4lokonolaraperaperaperape



secretragingcow
responding to a comment by Coe coe buttaa
12.1.10 - 9:29 am

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Yeah, Rev. Borfo makes a point. Some of you might NOT be prepared. It might be why I emphasized a bit more on BEING THE SCARIEST PEOPLE OUT THERE, because it's fucking scary out there if you aren't careful. We have friends that live there FULL TIME, but it doesn't mean they wont steal your beer or try to take your pretty boys and girls, I AM SERIOUS. It's not a fucking hippy retreat, it's a real exercise in Survival. It wasn't just Tom or Larson screaming in the middle of the night, it was a bunch of tweakers that will burn down your CAMP if you piss them off. One of them considered burning down the bar on the last trip, but it was MOTH who talked him out of it. Serious shit.





the reverend dak
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
12.1.10 - 9:51 am

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not making any promises....



mossygoodness
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
12.1.10 - 12:30 pm

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DRAPE ANOTHER DEUCE UPON ALEX THOMPSON'S MOUF!





Joe Borfo
12.1.10 - 12:38 pm

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and also keep a heads up for law enforcement and ICE. Sheriffs are looking for anything or anyone that seems new or out of place. I was pulled over for nothing and John, my passenger, was given a serious rundown because he was hispanic. Taking an off road trail back to the highway I came across a half dozen Immigration trucks looking for people. The main road has Immigration checks too.



indigis
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
12.1.10 - 6:58 pm

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Local tweaker on megaphone Monday morning: "Hey, let's see who's in that pink tent over there."

I'm not sleeping in a bright pink tent this year, that's fo sho.



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
12.1.10 - 7:14 pm

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Hahaha, they stopped terrorist Marino at SS2 while he was exploring the roads along aqueduct.



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by indigis
12.1.10 - 7:15 pm

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seconding what dak said. salton sea/slab city, for the most part is a peaceful and desolate place, but when you get down to brass tacks, it's serious business.

they call slab city "the last free place in america" and shit like that, and that's why so many of us love it. but to go live in the last free place in america permanently - with no running water, no electricity, and a diet of caught critters and "desert shrimp" - takes a very specific type of person. this person is not of the average mindset. and occasionally, a meth filled mindset. on top of that, you're in the desert. hot days, cold nights, things trying to eat you in between.

we've got straight up luxury with porta potties and a bar. it's fancier than a motel 6. but we're still in the desert and still surrounded by strange folk and homeland security. that's not to say that it will interfere with your fun, but a big part of the trip is being aware of your surroundings and your environment. especially in a positive way. salton sea is a place to appreciate and explore. a place to get a different outlook and see the possibilities of society. talk to the locals, swim in the aqueduct, take your pants off.

or, in the words of tomatoes, EAT SHIT.

drink beer, go for a swim, and don't ruin it for everyone.



i'm sorry if i set your tent on fire.



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
12.1.10 - 8:41 pm

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"Living in the middle of nowhere, between a live bombing range and one of the world’s most spectacularly surreal and barren man-made disasters turned wildlife sanctuary, ensconced in an art compound made principally of garbage, has its advantages. For one, the boring cookie-cutter mundanes you don’t really want to see (I mean, you moved out to the middle of nowhere for a reason, right?) think you’re a weirdo and go away. And then the people you do want to meet, greet and get drunk with on occasion think you’re a weirdo and say to themselves, “Wow! A WEIRDO! One of us! One of us!“



slowrighthand
12.1.10 - 9:14 pm

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The Trystero will be serving aeropress shots from 10am to noon everyday til the coffee runs out. BYOC!





toweliesbong
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
12.3.10 - 7:15 pm

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BUMP.

It's time to start thinking about WHAT YOU CAN BRING TO SALTON SEA.

Hey, you fucking bullshit consumerist liberals - this isn't an amusement part, you must bring something for everyone else to ENJOY. Whether it is are, or wood for a fire. Bring something, I dare you.

Calling all MOM RIDAZZ, what will it take to get more of you fuckers out there? Last year our METAL and DENIM was WAY OUT NUMBERED by NEON and TECHO. (not that there is anything wrong with that.)

I will help lug some of your bikes out there if it gets more of you out there. Every MOM that shows up in their colors will get a FREE BEER from the BAR.

Organizing types:

Time to start figuring out WOOD and POOPERS. I'm not doing it this year. Wood is especially if you want a CENTRAL FIRE.

The BIGGEST complaint about last year was there was NO CENTRAL COMMUNITY SPACE. Tren Way attempted it with a bar, fail. Westsiders made a fire and some dirt benches, but put it all up on the SIDE OF A HILL and conveniently placed all their tents around it... that is not a community fire, I appreciate the effort, but it didn't work. The first TWO years had a community fire that was used by everyone. Let's make sure there is a COMMUNIITY FIRE this year, and that community wood is used EXCLUSIVELY for that fire.





the reverend dak
01.6.11 - 2:00 pm

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We will be bringing the BAR, but it will be slightly out of the way. If you are interested in hosting an event (i.e. Beer & Cheese tasting, Brunch, Game Night, Potluck Dinner, Music Listening, etc.) please contact either ms. Stephanie or me.



the reverend dak
01.6.11 - 2:03 pm

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I'm willing to be responsible to make sure there is enough wood for the community fire. There is an awesome family-owned fire wood place near my house(seriously).



Rosiekins
01.6.11 - 2:24 pm

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U know me & matt will b there to rep the momz. i'll work on the rest of those assholes. : )



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
01.6.11 - 4:37 pm

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Proud to announce:



It's "kinda" 2-11, so bring all the STEEL RESERVE you can bring.

We're gonna sing HAPPY BIRTHDAY AT LEAST 34 TIMES!

El Sonidito for the rest of the night...

UNO, DOS, TRES, CUATRO...!!!



the reverend dak
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01.6.11 - 5:48 pm

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We basically need about a Half-Cord, which is a 4x4x4 stack of wood. STACKED and cut. That amount alone can't fit in the back of a standard pick-up, almost but no. Well maybe if they're stacked on a pallet and wrapped. We've gotten the wood delivered the past three years, but every time we get ripped off by getting barely a half-cord, and it's usually loose and piled. It's costs us about $250 delivered (add tip to that.)

You'll need to start collecting cash, and find a reputable wood dealer that can deliver, or figure out how to get it there.

Thanks for considering the job, it's an important one. Ask for help, I plan to be in SS early on Friday, so I can accept deliveries (if you get it delivered.)

As for the potties, there is a company that has done us good every year. Might have to ask Marino or Tiffany Tomato for it.

PARTY!



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by Rosiekins
01.6.11 - 6:01 pm

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I'll throw in $100 for the wood. I can give it either to Dak or Ms. Stephanie in about 2 weeks.



July
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
01.6.11 - 6:27 pm

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Since it's now basically become a tradition, I'll be bringing the basic ingredients for pizza (dough and sauce) again this year. Anyone who wants to make a pizza in the Hitchhikers' Pizza Oven should bring toppings and/or cheeses to work with and share.

I'll also be bringing a surprise. You'll know it when you see it.



nathansnider
01.6.11 - 6:40 pm

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I hope it's a table. The RAMP IS FOR JUMPING!!! not pizza!!!



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by nathansnider
01.6.11 - 6:41 pm

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those dirt benches were fucking hilarious.



mikeywally
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
01.6.11 - 6:46 pm

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Yeah, the dirt benches were fucking funny. They were so popular someone built one by the Bar fire.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by mikeywally
01.6.11 - 7:02 pm

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Eggggggggggcited!!!



Roadblock
responding to a comment by nathansnider
01.7.11 - 11:39 am

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ONE MORE MONTH!

bring more light structures!

LEDs and fire installations!





newarkhouse
01.7.11 - 2:06 pm

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Speaking of lights… bring some god damn lights for your bike. Seriously, lots of people asked me if they could follow me back to camp because they didn’t have lights and wanted to stick together since they could not see shit or be seen.
There are many ways to die out there… at least try to minimize the ones you have some control over



Kakihara
responding to a comment by newarkhouse
01.7.11 - 4:04 pm

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I haven't posted the 40 mile, Bombay Beach ride yet. But every year people FORGET THEIR LIGHTS. The return trip is at NIGHT on 20 stretch of DESERT HIGHWAY, big-rigs will rattle your bones at 80 MPH - you've been warned. But I'm not sure if I'm hosting it, put someone is free to post. It's been Traditionally at 2PM Saturday.





the reverend dak
01.7.11 - 4:48 pm

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is anybody taking care of porta potties yet?



mcdermott
01.7.11 - 5:16 pm

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newarkhouse says:

"ONE MORE MONTH!

bring more light structures!

LEDs and fire installations! "

+1



jonnyboy
responding to a comment by newarkhouse
01.7.11 - 9:31 pm

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"I will help lug some of your bikes out there if it gets more of you out there. Every MOM that shows up in their colors will get a FREE BEER from the BAR."

Word.



Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
01.8.11 - 4:00 pm

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More freak bike. Adding an addition to my mini-tall



rayrayray
01.8.11 - 5:28 pm

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And more tepees



rayrayray
01.8.11 - 5:31 pm

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"I hope it's a table. The RAMP IS FOR JUMPING!!! not pizza!!!"

Hey now, pizza can be for jumping too...

But yes, I am finding a table that is not the jump this time (though no, that is not the surprise). It was tacky of me to take it last year. There'll be no more olive oil or cheese stains on the ramp, at least not from me.



nathansnider
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
01.8.11 - 7:12 pm

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Especially the produce and limestone haulers that are ungoverned and run unmuffled Jakes.
But who knows, I might be freakishly routed through that zone and could provide substantial cover.



bentstrider
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
01.9.11 - 12:11 am

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Cruss camp 2011



rayrayray
01.9.11 - 4:17 am

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"Cruss camp 2011"

Bring it, brotha.

Also, bring some music for me to throw on in the bar.



Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by rayrayray
01.9.11 - 6:06 pm

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Sadly I was just informed that salton sea 4 has been cancelled....



Roadblock
01.9.11 - 8:56 pm

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but i already bought my ticket. :\



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.9.11 - 9:58 pm

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How do I sneak in??



rayrayray
01.9.11 - 10:20 pm

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this has nothing to do with burning man



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by rayrayray
01.9.11 - 10:56 pm

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Spandex only.



the reverend dak
01.10.11 - 10:32 am

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pants optional



spiraldemon
01.10.11 - 12:24 pm

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i need a ride on friday and a place to sleep. will pay with food, fun and/or money.
plz email me
nicki@pdx.edu



Coe coe buttaa
01.11.11 - 2:07 am

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I heard the Imperial County Sheriffs are going to be checking bike licenses.



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.11.11 - 4:18 pm

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I heard Border Patrol will be cavity searching and tazing anyone who is a person



jonnyboy
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
01.11.11 - 4:46 pm

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Make sure you've eaten plenty of gassy foods then.
I hear methane and electric shock has apocalyptic results.



bentstrider
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
01.11.11 - 5:28 pm

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don't touch my junk



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by bentstrider
01.11.11 - 8:38 pm

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I HEARD...



Graham
01.11.11 - 9:04 pm

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CHURCH BELLS RING



Coe coe buttaa
responding to a comment by Graham
01.11.11 - 10:47 pm

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the picklez are picklin'....bloody mary's and whiskey are suggested accompaniments.



kryxtanicole
01.12.11 - 9:34 am

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Oh, mama, I LOVE it when you talk to me like that!



Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
01.12.11 - 12:05 pm

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Rice krispy treats, please.



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
01.12.11 - 12:52 pm

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...always stealin' all the credit



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
01.12.11 - 1:03 pm

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You guys can pickle my NUTS



Joe Borfo
01.12.11 - 1:19 pm

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I wanna go back this year.. im really hoping to get the time off



SnapperS
01.12.11 - 1:22 pm

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bring em over. there's more jars.



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
01.12.11 - 2:16 pm

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I hope Donnie Pepper will be providing Grilled Cheeses



Sneek
01.12.11 - 3:25 pm

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Put it on the PIZZA

oh wait.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Sneek
01.12.11 - 3:30 pm

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Word on the street (directly from Slab City...)

"1st Annual Slab City Fashion Show will be held at The Range (where else?) at high noon on Saturday, Feb 19th. Unless pigs are flying, the organizers would most definitely welcome an onslaught of urbanites in fancy costumes - the more, the merrier. Pass it on."








the reverend dak
01.13.11 - 3:10 pm

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OKAY

I think im coming down for SaltonSeafoam. CAN I SLEEP IN SOMEONES TENT?



Coe coe buttaa
01.14.11 - 2:22 am

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i heard on wikileaks that SS4 is 21+



newarkhouse
01.14.11 - 4:51 pm

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i head VICE and american apparel will be filming a collabo all weekend long at SS4.



coldcut
01.14.11 - 5:25 pm

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I read that on a bulletin board somewhere.



the reverend dak
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01.14.11 - 7:13 pm

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It's for real, cereal, seriously.

Fashion Show at The Range at Slab City, NOON, Saturday, Feb 19, 2011.





the reverend dak
01.14.11 - 7:14 pm

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hey do they search your car at the gate? do you think i could sneak past in someones trunk?



larsenf
01.15.11 - 9:41 pm

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so what is this thing really? It sounds like a edgy burning man with meth heads burning down people tents and what not. Is there a charge for going? is there a site i can go to in order to read up on the info the do's and donts?



Two_Feet
01.16.11 - 9:28 am

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A long, long time ago, the Salton Sink was about as desolate of a place you can possibly go. It was as low as Death Valley, just as hot, but much larger. One day it was accidentally filled with water to became the Salton Sea, the largest body of water in California.

Its water was fresh, its surface was calm and as smooth as glass. Cities started to pop up along its banks. Speed-boat records were being broken, and water skiing was flourishing. It was a beautiful oasis in the middle of the desert.

Then things started to die.

The pristine lake began to dry up, dead birds floated on its surface, and the putrid smell of rotting fish filled the scalding air. This forced the people leave, leaving all they built behind.

Now a land of death and decay, nature has taken over. Leaving behind a clean slate, or literally blank slabs, in its place. This is our future. This is the opportunity to create our refuge:


The very first Ridazz Trip to the Slabs -

http://midnightridazz.com/viewStory.php?storyId=902


Live video from first trip -

but No Sound

Some video of the Third -



COSTS: $5 EACH RIDA

PACK IT IN / PACK IT OUT

This means TRASH. Don't fucking let it hit the ground.

There will NOT be a community trashcan.

There will NOT be a community recycling bin.

Any trash you bring, or create, YOU BRING IT HOME WITH YOU.

Even if you borrow a kitchen, you take the trash and scraps that you create.

If you bring drinks, even recyclable bottles and cans, no one is going to sort that shit for you, so YOU BRING IT HOME WITH YOU.

This includes CIGARETTE BUTTS.

This includes "BIODEGRADABLE" shit.

We police our own. No one is going to feel sorry for you if another one of us catches you littering and tears you a new one. You've been warned. Some of you may have witnessed my patience and temper tested. You will lose, because when it comes to trash, I will be right.

BRING YOUR OWN TRASH BAG.

LEAVE NO TRACE, ASSHOLES.


1. There aren't any "organizers" for this event, it's a DIY event.

2. The only "organizing" will be a couple rides that are basically the same rides before (Bombay Beach and Niland Critical Mass) and more TBA.

3. $5 being collected, per person, for community fire and potties.

4. This isn't burning man, people live there, so realize that it's not a war-zone that we can trash. It's a place that welcomes us, and we need to be just as respectful.

5. We are 1-hour from the Mexican border, and there are Homeland Security everywhere - they WILL SEARCH YOU, YOUR TENT, YOUR VEHICLE.

6. Salton Sea is NOT A FREE FOR ALL, you can die, go to jail, or get injured if you do something stupid. Don't do something stupid.





Joe Borfo
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01.16.11 - 1:05 pm

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my bad. the second video is from the second trip.

Here's some photo galleries, besides whats on the MR site. -

http://groups.google.com/group/ridazzcamp/web/salton-sea-2-photo-galleries

There's lots of hidden info on the ridazzcamp page at

http://groups.google.com/group/ridazzcamp/web



Joe Borfo
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01.16.11 - 1:12 pm

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I always post this video every year. Salvation Mountain is a must see.

Bring Leonard your old water based paint. Be sure to wake up at sunrise if you want to help him on the mountain.





Joe Borfo
01.16.11 - 1:28 pm

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SS4 sucked. SS5 was the best.



toweliesbong
01.17.11 - 12:58 am

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There's an awesome lil library out there that will happily accept your book donations, btw.



kryxtanicole
01.17.11 - 10:52 am

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SOMEONE FROM THE RIDAZZ COMMUNITY NEEDS TO STEP UP:

1. Arrange for delivery and payment for PORTAPOTTIES

2. Arrange for delivery and payment for FIREWOOD.

3. Collect and deliver the MONEY for these things.

These things can be done by ONE individual, or a TEAM of individuals. Or Separate individuals or teams can handle each thing separately. If you want to STEP UP and handle this, please LET IT BE KNOWN.

We also need some of you EXPERIENCED campers EXPLAIN to people what this trip IS NOT. It's not a drug fest bullshit rave, it's not some post apocalyptic nowhere land.

PEOPLE LIVE THERE, it's PUBLIC LAND so it belongs to EVERYONE.

Do NOT go there to TRASH IT.

Do NOT go there thinking that SOMEONE will take care of you if you get yourself in trouble - YOU HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN WELL BEING.

If walk into the WRONG CAMP, someone WILL SHOOT YOU. It is FUCKING TOO DANGEROUS TO GO WANDERING ON YOUR OWN, especially if you're TOO DRUNK or TOO DRUNK to know what is going on.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

Can someone PLEASE pass along and share this information to whatever Social Bullshit Network people have been "inviting" people with.

PLEASE use THIS SITE for organizing, everything else is FAKE.



the reverend dak
01.17.11 - 10:52 am

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Charlie, one of our friends that lives up there, needs bicycle wheels. They dn't hve to be true or straight - they will become art. Also large bottles of any color.



the reverend dak
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01.17.11 - 10:54 am

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I'll bring up both of those things.



larsenf
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
01.17.11 - 10:59 am

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So far it sounds like pizza and blinking lights are covered.
Any idea who is making this thing really happen by getting the firewood and potties delivered?



frumble
01.17.11 - 11:08 am

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To clarify on the Bottles, GLASS bottles, that he has been using to make a wall.



the reverend dak
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01.17.11 - 11:27 am

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I believe it's like glass bottles that are big too? not like beer bottles right?



neverclever
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01.17.11 - 11:55 am

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You might be right, they might need to be Wine Bottle sized (755ml, or large 22oz bottles).



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by neverclever
01.17.11 - 12:01 pm

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i can start collecting money for FIRE and DELIVERY IT
golouisave AD gmail DOT COM



LouisAve
01.17.11 - 12:02 pm

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Here's a start, I'll help with questions and details. I just don't have the time to do it ALL myself:

POTTIES: Marino knows a company who already knows us, where we camp, and his costs are basically about $100 per potty, for the whole 4-day weekend, includes delivery. The rule of thumb is 1 potty for every 20-25 assholes. So we'll need at least 6 (for 150) if my predictions are correct, but it might be more like 4 or 5, realistically. I have not clue, but the company is flexible and they "should" be able to add more toilets at the last minute. We'll never really know the numbers until we start collecting cash money. The whole point of the potties is to HELP KEEP the area clean, your shit stained toilet paper flying around the area will be disgusting.

FIREWOOD: If someone is willing to dedicate their whole pick-up for a half-cord, that "might" be the way to go. A half-cord, palletized and wrapped, can be picked up anywhere for around $300, something like that. Otherwise we'll need to get wood DELIVERED. It may cost around the same, they'll typically will take cash on delivery. About a half-cord is all that is needed for the COMMUNITY FIRE - DO NOT TAKE WOOD FOR YOURSELF, if you want your OWN campfire, BRING YOUR OWN WOOD.

Final note: Clicking "YES" on a online invite doesn't mean anything. Payment is the only REAL RSVP. If you don't pay, don't shit in our boxes. Don't stand by our community campfire either. The camp fee is your commitment to a community camping trip. No one is stopping you from going on your own, and doing your own thing. But the reason 100+ come on this trip is because of the community - please support it in any way you can.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by frumble
01.17.11 - 12:09 pm

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Uh, who are you?

If you're collecting money, you need to collect for BOTH Firewood and Potties.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by LouisAve
01.17.11 - 12:13 pm

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Operation pass info to social bullshit network initiated!

See you at the sea!



jonnyboy
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01.17.11 - 12:25 pm

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Thanks Jonny!



the reverend dak
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01.17.11 - 12:33 pm

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!!!!SS4 CANCELED!!!!

Wow, I'm really sorry everyone but it looks like were going to have to cancel "The Salton Sea Four" trip, due to inclement weather. There is a possibility of clouds AND below 50º weather at night and we just don't want to put any of you snowflakes in danger.

Sorry everyone, hope to see you at SS5.



franz
01.17.11 - 6:49 pm

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fuck me. I can't believe it's been canceled.



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by franz
01.17.11 - 7:19 pm

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really sad about this.... maybe we could orgnaize another one near the Baltic Sea?



Roadblock
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01.17.11 - 7:43 pm

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Awe I can't believe the mountain was bulldozed. Moth called. Im going there on the 17th to help with cleanup.



Coe coe buttaa
01.17.11 - 7:54 pm

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such a shame. i mean, does niland really need a walmart super center!?



coldcut
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01.17.11 - 8:01 pm

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I don't know what that means.

>
i can start collecting money for FIRE and DELIVERY IT
golouisave AD gmail DOT COM
<





frumble
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I heard the citizens of slab city passed an anti-rave law this year too. It would limit music and could possibly send Lenard Knight to jail if people were found using illegal substances near salvation mountain.



larsenf
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01.17.11 - 8:18 pm

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Yeah that's what greg said too. Must have something to do with the new "AB1914 2011 Anti-Rave act" A lot of desert counties including Imperial already created laws about it last year, which why it will be going state wide this year if it passes.



franz
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01.17.11 - 8:26 pm

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Tijuana trip instead?



Coe coe buttaa
01.17.11 - 8:26 pm

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i'd rather not have my carcass used as a drug mule.



coldcut
responding to a comment by Coe coe buttaa
01.17.11 - 8:30 pm

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Great idea. I have a shitload of books I need to get rid of.



July
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01.17.11 - 8:57 pm

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Ahhh, I was just reading about the new laws being passed in california in regards to that damn anti-rave law. I rushed here to see if anyone had heard, and now I'm sad to see it influencing this whole thing.

Shitty that it would be put through so close to the trip, but alas, what can we do?



Jaz
01.17.11 - 10:00 pm

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We could not make it a rave and not listen to loud rave music and just hang out and get to know each other....



bwillowz
01.17.11 - 11:02 pm

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is there really an anti-rave law, HA!

what happened to the trip, the thing all fucked up or what?



alien invasion
01.17.11 - 11:19 pm

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NOTHING MATTERS now that Salton Sea 4 is canceled.



spiraldemon
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01.17.11 - 11:27 pm

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SOMEONE NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT A CENTRAL PLACE TO PLAN THIS SHIT.

Lance and Brendan are already planning fire / portapotties, per the Ridazz Camp mailing list. I'm not on the bullshit social network, so I don't know what's going on there.

If we end up with no portapotties, I don't give a crap - I can dig a whole and shit in it. If we end up with 5 sets of portapotties, I'm paying for 1.



Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
01.17.11 - 11:36 pm

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Oh. Except that it's cancelled. I'll just go shoot guns and East Jesus with Charlie.



Ms. Stephanie
01.17.11 - 11:37 pm

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Hey Roadblock, I'm really interested in your yoga retreat. Could you post the deets?



Coe coe buttaa
01.17.11 - 11:37 pm

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Canceled!? My cat was really excited about this trip.... How do you tell a 24lb pussy that SS4 is canceled!? Maybe I can order a can of fish assholes on ebay or something.... meh,



mixtemotions
01.18.11 - 2:11 am

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The whole weekend goes tits up because of some dark clouds and rain? I was planning on going because of the "because Burning Man is really just a warm up for this annual party in the desert" I’m a fan of Black Rock City and was geared up to see how Salton Sea stacked up. This is weak sauce



Two_Feet
01.18.11 - 7:57 am

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Hahah, yup. It's cancelled because of glowstick rain.

I have alternative plans anyway. It will be awesome.



the reverend dak
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01.18.11 - 10:59 am

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That'd be too much like the FIRST Salton Sea, everyone got to know each other, and there was SO MUCH more comradery. But comradery and community is so played out.



the reverend dak
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01.18.11 - 11:02 am

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I give a big FU to SS4. I am glad it is canceled. You fake ass bike ridazz can't hang wit dah real meth headz.





sack or crack you choose
01.18.11 - 11:23 am

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I had a game in mind that would have helped build camaraderie and surprised a few people how well others know you without you knowing much about them, but I understand most people won't be taking their daily commute bikes, right?



July
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01.18.11 - 11:32 am

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SS4 Cancelled? Now I'm definitely going.



indigis
01.18.11 - 11:58 am

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EVERYONE IS BRINGING BIKES. unfortunately since SS4 is cancelled they won't be bringing bikes.



Roadblock
responding to a comment by July
01.18.11 - 12:11 pm

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Woo hoo... guess this means the Crus Mob Family Reunion is back on!



July
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.18.11 - 2:01 pm

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Crus Mob is cancelled too. In fact, it never happened.



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by July
01.18.11 - 2:06 pm

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HOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!











Joe Borfo
01.18.11 - 3:13 pm

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I heard that SS4 is now officially canceled because the Federal Govt declared the area a superfund site. apparently due to massive diphenyl oxalate contamination....



Roadblock
01.18.11 - 3:28 pm

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Darn, I was hoping you'd wear your Tron outfit again.






Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.18.11 - 3:34 pm

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Damn flash flood warnings!



buckchin
01.18.11 - 3:42 pm

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fucking cheeseburgers...



coldcut
responding to a comment by buckchin
01.18.11 - 4:27 pm

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Any chance of FuNdErStOrMs ?!?!




SRSLSY GAISE.


Whuts gOING oN?



Joe Borfo
01.18.11 - 4:47 pm

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SS4 has been moved to Mecca, CA because Mecca has a grandfathered exemption to California's anti-rave laws.



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
01.18.11 - 5:05 pm

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can we throw pebbles at the santa wall?



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
01.18.11 - 5:08 pm

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TRON! BAAAAA HA AH AHA HA HA AH AH AHA HAaa



Coe coe buttaa
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
01.18.11 - 5:57 pm

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The anti rave law only applies if you play pre-recorded music for more then 3½ hours. Throw some live music in and it won't be a rave.



Avi
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
01.18.11 - 6:36 pm

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That's right, and the live music has to last for the next 48 hours.



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by Avi
01.18.11 - 6:47 pm

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i gotta figure out how to mount a bike rack on my Harley................



shotgun_mike
01.18.11 - 6:52 pm

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And a gun rack for your bike!



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by shotgun_mike
01.18.11 - 6:55 pm

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why dont u just play what the old timers want?



then tell them ur goin to do a tribute to van halen all night long.

when they go to sleep at 11 u start the real party!!!!!!

hahahahaha

they will be a sleep thinking all the noese is van halen!!!

hahahahahahaha!!!!!



fixie4life
01.18.11 - 11:41 pm

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I hope you come, Al.

Oh wait. Never mind, it's canceled.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by fixie4life
01.19.11 - 1:48 am

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holy shit is that true?



Roadblock
responding to a comment by Avi
01.19.11 - 3:24 pm

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I was actually thinking of setting up some kind of continues rotating jam session for musicians




buckchin
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.19.11 - 3:40 pm

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Every year events are going up at The Range and none of us seem to really participate.



Joe Borfo
01.19.11 - 3:42 pm

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don't worry about it.
the trip has been canceled.



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
01.19.11 - 3:43 pm

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My hippo and I have participated.



franz
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
01.19.11 - 3:59 pm

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hahaha, that was SS1 in 2020, best year ever!!!!



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by franz
01.19.11 - 6:30 pm

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crotchless spandex



asparagus
responding to a comment by franz
01.20.11 - 1:28 am

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Let's DEFINITELY have an open jam session this year.



Roadblock
responding to a comment by buckchin
01.20.11 - 2:55 pm

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I will bring my spoons and my meow cat keyboard
maybe my ukulele

!



Kakihara
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.20.11 - 3:09 pm

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Aarr wee theyurrr yet?



Joe Borfo
01.20.11 - 4:46 pm

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"WAY OUT NUMBERED by NEON and TECHO. (not that there is anything wrong with that.)"


Dak, there is EVERYTHING wrong with that.



imachynna
01.20.11 - 5:10 pm

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hmmmmmm how about a desert jam ride? we ride to some far off spot and play musicas for the sunrise.



Roadblock
01.20.11 - 9:09 pm

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YES!!!!!..... beautiful idea



superblueman3
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.20.11 - 9:36 pm

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do you not remember we had an epic jam session the first night?!?!

drunken, around the bon fire, this is where the "angelopes" song was created. it was beautiful.

P.S.!!!!!!

anyone driving back on sunday night?



alien invasion
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.20.11 - 9:44 pm

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OH, WAIT! you're talking about on the stage, right? I AGREE.



alien invasion
01.20.11 - 9:45 pm

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i have every instrument you need for this awesome stuff.



alien invasion
01.20.11 - 9:46 pm

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Does anyone play tuba?





Roadblock
01.21.11 - 12:33 am

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I hope these guys play. I may be hoping for too much though.



Joe Borfo
01.21.11 - 12:47 am

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Can you handle 40 miles, round trip?

The Ride to Nowhere is posted:

http://www.midnightridazz.com/viewStory.php?storyId=6256



the reverend dak
01.21.11 - 1:02 pm

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yes.



Roadblock
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
01.21.11 - 1:09 pm

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DONT FORGET TO BRING YOUR NEIGHBORS CHRISTMAS TREE(S), THEY MAKE GOOD TIME PRETTY COLORS FOR PROFIT ALL CAMP WITH ITS GLORIOUS AURA




newarkhouse
01.21.11 - 7:46 pm

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i play trumpet



alien invasion
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.22.11 - 12:36 am

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Mandatory 4am Revelry recital.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by alien invasion
01.22.11 - 12:57 am

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ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa!!! that was me.



alien invasion
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
01.22.11 - 1:25 am

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will there be a bullhorn group buy this year? put me down for one



jonnyboy
01.23.11 - 1:27 pm

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something about the pope shitting wooden balls



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
01.23.11 - 1:39 pm

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oh, there is no buy that I know of. Harbor Freight, baby.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
01.23.11 - 2:57 pm

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Put me down for 2...


Hey what about a 4loko group buy?! Any resources left?



Roadblock
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
01.24.11 - 12:11 pm

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still waiting on my pre-ban order.

[cough]JONNYBOY[/cough]



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.24.11 - 6:42 pm

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I dont remember much, but I do remember putting in an order for that 4loko......




Roadblock
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
01.24.11 - 7:37 pm

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GIBBONS AND THE SLUTS PLAY @ SS4 BRING YOUR FAMILIES



alien invasion
01.25.11 - 12:14 pm

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Ok, so now that SS4 is OFFICIALLY CANCELLED...


Here is where you can go to pay to poop, and maybe get more info eventually.



Lance K
01.25.11 - 6:44 pm

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Let's see if this works

CAMP DUES!









<table>
<tr><td># of campers</td></tr><tr><td> </td></tr>
<tr><td>Name(s) of Camper(s)</td></tr><tr><td></td></tr>
</table>














Tell yer friends...if you're not taking care of your waste yourself...pay your dues!

Feel free to donate extra to the beer budget :}



Lance K
01.25.11 - 6:46 pm

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seems to have worked for me, thanks for setting it up lance!



jonnyboy
responding to a comment by Lance K
01.25.11 - 6:53 pm

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I'll try and check back occasionally, but this forum is so awkward to stay up on...please direct any questions or communiques for me to the google group (linked from the page above) or me directly.

Is anyone on firewood at this point? I'm collecting dues for wood and poop, but I'm only dealing with the poop.



Lance K
01.25.11 - 7:06 pm

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paid, works fine. thanks for taking over lance!



larsenf
01.25.11 - 7:34 pm

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paid.



slowrighthand
01.25.11 - 7:56 pm

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In case ya'll hadn't noticed...when I receive your payment, I'll throw your name up on the 'attendee list' page on the google site. Please allow up to one business day for processing.



Lance K
01.25.11 - 8:01 pm

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The bar is now accepting applications for extremely over-qualified bartenders.



Lance K
01.25.11 - 11:39 pm

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If you are interested in investing part of your disposably-canned, adjunct-ridden fizzy yellow beer fund in ensuring we have enough locally-sourced conscientiously-quaffed craft beer to last all weekend, contact bar management. As of now the bar will be well-stocked, but if we really want to drink exclusively good beer all weekend, and not have a shit ton of cans to deal with, it is feasible...but i'll need help.



Lance K
01.26.11 - 12:05 am

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The Niland yard



rayrayray
01.26.11 - 12:48 am

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My brother in law said he could get me half a cord for $100, but he will not transport it.

I do not have a truck/van to transport wood.

Somebody is working on a truck, but said person has not used super committal language, so: If anybody wants to haul a crap-load of wood from Ojai to Slab City, make your presence known.



lackflag
responding to a comment by Lance K
01.26.11 - 10:26 am

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THANK YOU SO MUCH LANCE FOR DUEING IT!!!





the reverend dak
responding to a comment by Lance K
01.26.11 - 11:45 am

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With puns like that coming out of it, you can thank me wif yer mouf!



Lance K
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
01.26.11 - 1:24 pm

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I WANNA BE A BARTENDER!!!!!!!



imachynna
01.26.11 - 3:18 pm

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Fill out the application in TRIPLICATE.

p.s. Salton Sea is sold out.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by imachynna
01.26.11 - 3:50 pm

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"Everybody pay your cancellation dues."



Joe Borfo
01.26.11 - 4:21 pm

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the salton sea sucks.
don't go.
anyway, it's canceled



spiraldemon
01.26.11 - 5:07 pm

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Hey, just because it's cancelled doesn't mean it automatically sucks. It could have been awesome. We'll never know.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by spiraldemon
01.26.11 - 5:37 pm

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I think I can get a lot of firewood for community fire for free.
contact me directly if interested.




trickmilla
01.27.11 - 1:11 am

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wood is located in northridge.



trickmilla
01.27.11 - 1:12 am

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Alrighty then, wonderful sea people... who's gonna hit trickmilla up regarding this potentially phat hook...?

I ain't in LA, and consequently ain't got no means.

We are certainly still in need of a 'combustion czar'.

I disvolunteer myself, as I'm already trying to take care of what you put into and release from your variegated bodies, at least to some degree. I gots no time to keep you warm, too.

Well...ahem....at least not more than one or two of you at a time. If you're cute.

Any takers?

On the wood issue, i mean.

On the...communal fire fuel issue, i mean.

Ahem.



Lance K
responding to a comment by trickmilla
01.27.11 - 1:36 am

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A few more notes.
The wood is just sitting so the offer only expires after we have left for S&S.
I will personally come help load the wood, it would even be possible, to load the wood very close to departure, so it can stay in whatever truck it is loaded into.



trickmilla
responding to a comment by Lance K
01.27.11 - 8:34 am

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There should be enough money to pay for gas, or even rent a truck, to get that wood and bring it to SS. Even less money is needed if we borrow a pick-up from someone that can spare it.

Do anyone know someone with a pickup?

Mine will already be full of shit (art) and the bar, and all my camping shit. ... fuck.





the reverend dak
responding to a comment by trickmilla
01.27.11 - 10:00 am

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Hey I just found out about this and i'm trying to get a San Diego crew to go!!!!!



LudiChrist
01.27.11 - 10:54 am

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There are some scalpers you might hit up at the entrance...





S.D. 4 THE WIN!







Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by LudiChrist
01.27.11 - 10:57 am

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SALT

ON





IS $OLD OUT!








Joe Borfo
01.27.11 - 11:05 am

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BEWM



Joe Borfo
01.27.11 - 11:06 am

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YES! Give me a call, or email, if you have any Questions.

rev
dot
dak
at
straycouches
dot
com

Are you having your Prom?

Details? (maybe on another thread.)





the reverend dak
responding to a comment by LudiChrist
01.27.11 - 2:37 pm

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oh, btw, PAY YOUR DUES!

Please pass this link along to anyone that is NOT disappointed that SS4 is cancelled.

If you're disappointed that it is cancelled, I'm sorry for your loss.

https://sites.google.com/site/saltonseaiv/

https://sites.google.com/site/saltonseaiv/







the reverend dak
01.27.11 - 2:42 pm

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Maybe it's me but when I fire up the google/salton page on IE8 I don't get the fancy link to the paypal.

http://sites.google.com/site/saltonseaiv/

It's probably because IE8 but what can I do when I don't have admin to upgrade it. It's just not there at all. FYIIIIIIIIIIIIII..........



neverclever
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
01.27.11 - 5:30 pm

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dang, you'r right. I "see" (i.e. don't see the links) in IE9 either. It's IE.

It would be nice if someone said something earlier.

Who the F using IE anyway? And what self respecting IT person doesn't install Firefox on their client machines?!

Do the paypal links work on the FRONT PAGE of this site?

Why is IE blocking paypal?



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by neverclever
01.28.11 - 11:47 am

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(I was being nice.)



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by imachynna
01.28.11 - 11:48 am

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word on the street is: transport has been secured. i am in northridge and could help with loading.

how much wood is it?

will i need to use my non-free but still ridiculously cheap firewood connection?



lackflag
responding to a comment by trickmilla
01.28.11 - 2:17 pm

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Do they sell steel-reserve in niland??



rayrayray
01.28.11 - 3:39 pm

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It's sold out.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by rayrayray
01.28.11 - 4:00 pm

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jk



Joe Borfo
01.28.11 - 4:10 pm

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salton sea 4 is 21+

besides, it's canceled



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by rayrayray
01.28.11 - 4:10 pm

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just like Cheff's vadge is canceled



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by spiraldemon
01.28.11 - 4:14 pm

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i heard the cancellation is sold out, so now we all have to go.



slowrighthand
01.28.11 - 4:59 pm

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ahhh damn it. I just cancelled my plans for that weekend....



Roadblock
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
01.28.11 - 5:40 pm

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http://sites.google.com/site/saltonseaiv/
http://sites.google.com/site/saltonseaiv/

Don't wait until last minute. Don't be a cheat either. The list WILL be public, if you've paid you're good. If you haven't, don't bother going - it's cancelled anyway.



the reverend dak
01.30.11 - 4:01 pm

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Rotgut tasting at The Bar.

If you haven't paid, you don't get to taste the best worst liquor I can lay my hands on.

Then again, I heard in might be cancelled, so.

Don't go.



Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
01.30.11 - 10:31 pm

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The Bar's page:

http://sites.google.com/site/saltonseaiv/home/the-bar

And oh by the way (from The Bar's page):

Supply

The bar graciously accepts donations of unopened handles, fifths, and liters of 'hard a' to be served to the thirsty masses. If you are interested in investing part of your disposably-canned, adjunct-ridden fizzy yellow beer fund in ensuring we have enough locally-sourced conscientiously-quaffed craft beer to last all weekend, contact bar management.

And oh by the way one more time:

Thank you Lance for putting so much work into The Bar's page. And The Beer for The Bar.



Ms. Stephanie
01.30.11 - 10:36 pm

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Junk Mail Disposal!

Bring all your junkmail (paper only, no plastic) to the Bar!

Total disposal of all sensitive items, no shredding required.

All materials will be converted to its basic carbon origins!



the reverend dak
01.31.11 - 4:24 pm

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and your xmas trees (not the plastic ones)



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
01.31.11 - 4:39 pm

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anyone know where I can get magnesium engine blocks?



spiraldemon
01.31.11 - 5:13 pm

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http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/zip/2192196554.html

get while the getting good



sexy
02.1.11 - 1:26 pm

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Will sexy be at the Salton Sea this year?



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by sexy
02.1.11 - 8:32 pm

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EARMUFF GOD, BLESS US WITH YOUR WARMTH!



Coe coe buttaa
responding to a comment by sexy
02.1.11 - 10:31 pm

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Will sexy be at the Salton Sea this year?

Sources say no.



PC
responding to a comment by spiraldemon
02.3.11 - 5:20 am

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...and I was going to put a big frowny emoticon there but I forgot.

BIG FROWNY EMOTICON.



PC
02.3.11 - 5:23 am

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What about your ride that Jeff, Mook, and I was going to go on, Pussy Coward?



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by PC
02.3.11 - 7:15 am

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You still is going to go on it. Relax.



PC
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.4.11 - 12:25 am

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2 weeks!

lazeropes bass cult has some FUN in the works, hide yer eyes, hide your ears



newarkhouse
02.4.11 - 4:57 pm

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14 days left till the DONG Burns!

RSVP at -

http://sites.google.com/site/saltonseaiv/









Joe Borfo
02.4.11 - 5:04 pm

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Are you going?!



Roadblock
responding to a comment by PC
02.4.11 - 9:31 pm

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yes he's going.

hes always such a drama queen.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.4.11 - 10:00 pm

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Czech yourz emailz. FIRZWOODZ!!!



lackflag
responding to a comment by trickmilla
02.8.11 - 1:16 am

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got lost in the google groups... where is the direct link for donating to the bar? I paid my dues a while ago but can't find donation link (the one posted on this thread is not working for me)

-e-




Kakihara
02.8.11 - 10:49 am

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same fund



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Kakihara
02.8.11 - 10:53 am

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so does anyone else think it's kind of shitty for FMLY to invite 2,000+ of it's closest friends to salton sea on facebook?

i'm generally all for inclusiveness, but this is a trip done by the ridazz community for the ridazz community. they might all be wonderful folks, but i think it goes against the spirit (and scale) of the event to invite such a large, essentially unrelated, group.

yes, i know there's crossover between ridazz and fmly, and i know about 0.0001% of the people invited that weren't already attending will actually show up, but it's almost disrespectful to send out a mass invitation like that. i wouldn't show up to someone's house party with 50 of my own friends, so why invite 2,000 of yours to our camping trip?

but hey, i've been extra curmudgeonly lately, so maybe i'm the only one that feels this way.



slowrighthand
02.9.11 - 4:00 pm

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@slowrighthand All I know is, Ridazz Bar is carding this year. Sowwy kidlets, you ain't gettin any love from the Bar. And if there are two kajillion people but we still haven't gotten enough money to cover the cost of porta potties and wood that people have worked hard to organize, I'ma kill a bitch.

What the fuck does FMLY think this is? Ugh. One of the locals is going to come after us with a shotgun.

(Please see Borfo's Salton Sea thread.)





Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
02.9.11 - 4:16 pm

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link to facebook event?

there will be people from the cacophony society, gigsville, and ridazz camp. all invited as long as everyone pitches in for porta-potties, and everyone picks up their own trash



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
02.9.11 - 4:19 pm

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Don't forget to PAY TO POOP.



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by spiraldemon
02.9.11 - 4:19 pm

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facebook link please?



lackflag
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
02.9.11 - 4:22 pm

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http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=199189866765039

there hasn't been a huge response to it, so this might all be moot. i think the main difference between gigsville/caco (besides the fact that gigsville is completely awesome) is the scale.



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by spiraldemon
02.9.11 - 4:22 pm

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View Slab City - Directions in a larger map



Joe Borfo
02.9.11 - 5:19 pm

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This FMLY invite puts a twist on this trip. Ms. Stephnie can the parents contact you before allowing there children to go to this camping event? Just to see if it is going to safe, ok and no crazy people are going to be out there. Maybe they can get some of the parents or somebody from the school district to chaperon.

Truly I am LOLing right now.

I have an idea, maybe fixie4life can chaperon the minor girls.



sexy
responding to a comment by Ms. Stephanie
02.9.11 - 7:01 pm

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Sooo, this is Chris[tmas], some of you may know me, I live up in santa cruz so I don't post to MR like ever... buuutttt JAZ and are all about the bike love and have been anxiously awaiting the return to salton sea because we fucking love this trip! What I'm posting about is that we would like to host an event on saturday afternoon for those riders who find themselves not wanting to ride to bombay beach. Because we live up north there's many cool people we don't know, so we're putting our best foot forward with free booze to help people get to know us because we're pretty cool too!

NotSoFineWINE Mixer:
12-4ish Saturday
An array of shitty wines and cheese will be provided for everyone under our big pyramid shaped shade structure!
The goal is to encourage mingling with friends you don't know yet in a NOTsoPOSH social event.



xceses
02.9.11 - 7:12 pm

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Did anyone tell FMLY that doing that wasnt necessarily the best idea?

Eeeeek



Coe coe buttaa
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
02.9.11 - 10:25 pm

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sometimes a bad idea can be the best idea.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Coe coe buttaa
02.10.11 - 12:00 am

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This could get out of control.



fish and chips
02.10.11 - 2:03 am

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LISTEN UP

PAY UP or DON'T FUCKING GO.

1. This is a camping trip to a really strange and wonderful place. Hot springs, a DIY public library, a public MUSIC venue, art and history.
2. It's a LIVING CITY, with REAL PEOPLE. There is no infrastructure to wash your shit away, or pick up your trash.
3. It is DANGEROUS out there. The townies WILL KILL YOU. Not a metaphor for your mind being blown, they will USE A GUN.
4. If we piss anyone off, THEY WILL BURN DOWN YOUR CAMP.
5. Whoever keeps telling people that it's a place to do drugs, get wasted, or some other hippy bullshit - THEY ARE WRONG, this is NOT that trip. That is NOT the point of this trip.
6. It is NOT A PUBLIC EVENT. This is a Midnight Ridazz trip and we have invited special guests that we TRUST. The only real invite is THIS forum thread. Everything else should be DELETED.
7. Support the local community by donating and patronizing the business.

PAY THE DUES OR DO NOT GO.

Also note:

Ridazz Bar, BROUGHT TO YOU by Tren Way, will be carding.

FINAL NOTE:

If any of you get anyone, or thing, I care about arrested, killed, or burned down - I will raise fucking HELL.





the reverend dak
responding to a comment by fish and chips
02.10.11 - 9:56 am

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<3



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
02.10.11 - 11:17 am

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8===D ~~ ~ ;(



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
02.10.11 - 11:22 am

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point me in the direction of shit i'm allowed to burn down plz.



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
02.10.11 - 3:21 pm

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(points towards spiral's tent)



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
02.10.11 - 4:04 pm

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*pisses on Borfo's head*



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.10.11 - 4:22 pm

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I love you. Please come and help me throw corn tortillas and burnt toast at douchebags from our rooftop at art walk tonight.



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
02.10.11 - 5:35 pm

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That facebook link is dead. I hope that means the invite was rescinded. I gotta say, I'm all for inclusiveness, but FMLY's involvement makes me nervous.

I will be carding at the bar, and I am a TOTAL hardass about it. If I don't know you, bring your ID!



Lance K
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
02.10.11 - 9:34 pm

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i love you too, beardy. i'm gonna bring so many stale bagels to throw next month.



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
02.10.11 - 11:13 pm

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why wait til next month? let's start monday night!!!



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
02.11.11 - 12:45 am

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Wow, so I haven't been to the salton sea before. I assumed it was somewhat of an excuse for people who live with their parents to go batshit in the desert. Yet, reading this thread is making me think otherwise. Would I be welcomed if I payed dues?



Sneek
02.11.11 - 8:28 am

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Of course you're welcome. If you are weird enough to want to go out there, then you're in!



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Sneek
02.11.11 - 8:57 am

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"I assumed it was somewhat of an excuse for people who live with their parents to go batshit in the desert."

It depends on how you define "batshit", and it depends on how you define "people who live with their parents".

Oh, and it depends on how you define "desert" too.





Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.11.11 - 11:23 am

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stop lawyering up the thread.

i just wanna eat drugs till i poop my pants.



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by Ms. Stephanie
02.11.11 - 1:03 pm

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i've always had this fantasy to get a pair of heavy duty Depends and take so many shrooms that i just lay there, unable to do anything



secretragingcow
02.11.11 - 1:48 pm

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I'm still excited about going now?



et
responding to a comment by secretragingcow
02.11.11 - 2:12 pm

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secretragingcow fantasy = NYE - depends



Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by secretragingcow
02.11.11 - 2:12 pm

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DEFINE POOP.



Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
02.11.11 - 2:14 pm

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Oh man, I'm so stoked. I'm riding all the way out.



Avner
02.11.11 - 2:44 pm

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i'ma define it all over your face in a second.



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by Ms. Stephanie
02.11.11 - 2:45 pm

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I like it when you guys talk dirty



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
02.11.11 - 2:53 pm

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Way to go Avner!! that's quite a ride...I hope you're doing it in two days! I don't think anybody who's ever finished a ~170mi ride in one day wanted to be someplace like the salton sea at the end of it, regardless of how much ass it kicks....I sure know that's never been the case with me!



Lance K
02.11.11 - 3:00 pm

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i was just dumping some mud butt in the handicap stall in my office's bathroom and, although very roomy, found myself wanting to be pooping in a porta potty in the desert.




newarkhouse
02.11.11 - 3:41 pm

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hey I just got this in the newsletter and i was wondering if I already paid the $5 can I just pay $95 more and get the VIP???


GET YOUR VIP TICKETS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

++++++SALTON SEA IV+++++++++++
++++++PRIME CAMPING SPOTS++++++++
++++++++V I P TREATMENT +++++++++++
++++++++++OPEN BAR!!!+++++++++++++
+++++++++21 OVER PLEASE ++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++ONLY $100 +++++++++++
++++PAYPAL: lanceka@gmail.com+++++



neverclever
02.11.11 - 4:38 pm

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Fuck that. I'm just going to bring my own beer, hang outside on the sidewalk and drink FREE BEER.

In your face, lance.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by neverclever
02.11.11 - 5:28 pm

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Actually I've been selling a VIP package that includes an all-inclusive ride to the Salton Sea in a 254 foot long art bus. Free Steel Reserve and Xanax, your own portapotty, your own personalized megaphone, free entry into the Sock Wrestling and Staring Contests, a sleeping bag next to the campfire, and a free tattoo of your favorite rural real estate agent.

It's sold out, though.





toweliesbong
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
02.11.11 - 5:58 pm

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Pooping in the potty is probably the calmest quietest moment for me in the desert.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by newarkhouse
02.11.11 - 6:42 pm

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i have 80 bucks
Louis
Tookie
+2

30
andrew
christian
alex
conner
adam
daniel






LouisAve
02.11.11 - 7:00 pm

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Can you contact Lance, so he knows. His email is above (and in the paypal link)



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by LouisAve
02.12.11 - 11:14 am

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LouisAve...are you saying you have dues? If so, I need to know more specifically who you're paying for. we already have an 'alex' on the list, for instance. Unique identifiers (or at least a last initial) would be great.

Feel free to paypal the money to my email with a list of names instead of using the button; we can save on the fees that way if you say it's for 'personal expenses'.



Lance K
02.12.11 - 11:41 am

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I handed LaHarr $6 last night as payment for dues. He mentioned he'd go ahead and give word to either Dak or Ms. Stephanie and also that he was going to be the point man out at Salton Sea for the porta potties.

I also wanted to know if I could just donate some money to the bar in person (I don't own a cc nor a paypal acct.)



July
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.12.11 - 12:46 pm

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PS. has anyone given any thought to the idea of having a SHARE CUTZ EVENT for anyone interested... or anyone who happens to pass out with their shoes on?



July
02.12.11 - 1:31 pm

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i have 30 from that list and
20 for my self and tookie and the rest for anything

will do! paypal it



LouisAve
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.12.11 - 1:40 pm

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Five days!

Here is the video I shot at SS3!

http://vimeo.com/10797980



luckypierre
02.12.11 - 7:05 pm

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ioioio
02.12.11 - 8:11 pm

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Louis. Please contact me directly via email with your list of attendees, including some sort of way to identify them uniquely. my email is my username here, minus the space, plus an 'a', @gmail.com.

As July said, it looks like Laharr is gonna be the man wid da cash for the sani peeps, 'cause I'll still be picking up kegs when ya'll early arrivals will be wanting to go poopy-time.

Who else is packing their Wellie's? I've got a decent rainfly for the ol' domocilio, but I'm worried about mud - anybody recall the grain of the dirt in hitchiker's camp? I want to recall it being fairly coarse and sand-like, but I'm worried I may just be being optimistic.

The dynamic of a bunch of cloistered cult-tribes holing up in their shade-cum-rain-structures, communicating with megaphones to barter for goods or flesh, actually sounds kind of fun. The rain will help dampen the dance music, too!



Lance K
responding to a comment by LouisAve
02.13.11 - 1:02 am

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no rain in the forecast for salton sea...

http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/CASPSALTON:13



Roadblock
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.13.11 - 1:11 pm

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pOOP fees paid in cASH


Louis= $30
Tookie
+2


andrew
christian
alex
conner
adam
daniel
=$30

DANA DIRTYSOUTH-$5
COURNEYBROWN-$5
ALYSSA-$5
JOSE+1-$10



LouisAve
02.13.11 - 1:21 pm

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You're really a moron



secretragingcow
responding to a comment by LouisAve
02.13.11 - 4:48 pm

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have you gotten my email?



LouisAve
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.13.11 - 5:12 pm

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ok...we're getting closer here...like pulling teeth...

I have not gotten your email. While we seem to have made some headway on the new people as far as identification goes...I still need to know WHICH alex and adam and daniel and jose you are sending me money for. Also, "+1"s aren't gonna fly - too confusing on the ground at the event. I need names.



Lance K
responding to a comment by LouisAve
02.13.11 - 7:21 pm

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RANDOMS UGGH



Graham
02.13.11 - 7:59 pm

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Geez Lance what more do you want. You don't know Alex? Everyone knows Alex... how much more specific could you get, ITS ALEX!!!



franz
responding to a comment by Graham
02.13.11 - 11:16 pm

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Lance, can you get in contact with LaHarr and confirm my $6 paid. I'd like to be added to the list.



July
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.13.11 - 11:22 pm

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are you going to Salton Sea?



Roadblock
responding to a comment by secretragingcow
02.13.11 - 11:28 pm

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does the pop shit in his hat?



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.14.11 - 9:40 am

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rain rain rain



xceses
02.14.11 - 9:42 am

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Speaking of Rain,

PISS ON A BUSH
NOT IN THE POTTIES

Last year the potties were full of PISS, which over-flows them TOO QUICKLY.

SHIT ONLY.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by xceses
02.14.11 - 9:59 am

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jeff chew volunteered to collect all the urine. feel free to fill any available orifice.



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
02.14.11 - 10:36 am

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Vegas didn't kill me .. Can I still attend this?



OsnapsonJC
02.14.11 - 10:36 am

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Rain's back in the forecast. Be prepared.



jetfuel
02.14.11 - 10:52 am

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I'll be there for at least a day and maybe two if work isn't too bad that weekend



secretragingcow
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.14.11 - 12:18 pm

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ilu



Coe coe buttaa
responding to a comment by Graham
02.14.11 - 12:39 pm

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"I also wanted to know if I could just donate some money to the bar in person (I don't own a cc nor a paypal acct.)"

July, just bring shit to donate.

@EVERYBODY ~ BRING MIXERS. Grizzly old alcoholics like me can drink really shitty hard liquor out of a bottle and not flinch, but others may not be able to. WE WILL NEED MIXERS.



Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by Coe coe buttaa
02.14.11 - 1:22 pm

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Oh, and one more Ridazz Bar reminder:

If you're 21+ and you would like a beverage from the bar, you gotta BRING YOUR OWN CUP.

Wait, one more reminder:

There will not be a community trash can in the bar (or anywhere else around the camp for that matter), so whatever you walk into the bar with, you best walk it back out with you when you leave.

WAIT! ONE MORE REMINDER!

RIDAZZ BAR IS 21+ This ain't goddam romper room.

YEP.

NO GO DIGGIE DIE.



Ms. Stephanie
02.14.11 - 1:49 pm

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Moth said he's going to set up a daycare at the tower while the bar is open.



Coe coe buttaa
responding to a comment by Ms. Stephanie
02.14.11 - 2:24 pm

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21+
isn't there a kiddy bar?



rayrayray
02.14.11 - 2:26 pm

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you can pay me off if you don't want me to burn down your tent, though i heard it was INFLAMMABLE.



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by spiraldemon
02.14.11 - 2:59 pm

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is that justice? i don't know.
is that american? i don't care.

YEP.



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by Ms. Stephanie
02.14.11 - 3:08 pm

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I got rice krispy treats inspired by you and for you



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
02.14.11 - 3:10 pm

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Remind me -- How many gallons of water per day is it? 1?



et
02.14.11 - 3:23 pm

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1.5 gallons of water per person per day. There's a market in town (2 miles away or so) are open until about 6pm - you could always patronize it to bring money into the local economy.



Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by et
02.14.11 - 3:57 pm

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Yes, yes I could and will do. :)



et
responding to a comment by Ms. Stephanie
02.14.11 - 4:11 pm

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Don't listen to what they tell you. The water from the sea is just fine.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by et
02.14.11 - 4:15 pm

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Actually the water from Borfo's pee-pee is better!!!



sack or crack you choose
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.14.11 - 4:19 pm

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PISS ON A BUSH NEAR THE POTTIES.



Roadblock
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02.14.11 - 4:32 pm

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Joe Borfo
02.14.11 - 4:38 pm

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sad to say the crew I'm riding out with intends to do the 180 miles in one day.

Lance, how can I confirm that you received my 5?



Avner
02.14.11 - 4:38 pm

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If your name is on this list -

http://sites.google.com/site/saltonseaiv/home/attendees





Joe Borfo
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02.14.11 - 4:42 pm

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Joe Borfo
02.14.11 - 4:54 pm

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Really? It looked a little murky last year.



et
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.14.11 - 5:15 pm

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I drank it... Tomatoes swam in it...



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by et
02.14.11 - 5:32 pm

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I know Nathan has had a pizza oven at Salton Sea the last couple of years which has worked wonderfully and, might I add, deliciously. I came across some suggestions to making your very own using a steel sheet and just wanted to share:


PROBLEM #3: You love Neopolitan-style pizza, but don't want to invest in a brick oven.

SOLUTION: Make an oven out of a steel sheet.

Get a ¼-inch-thick sheet of steel from a metal fabricator (Search online for a local one), have it cut to the size of your oven shelf and insert it in the rack closest to the broiler. Preheat the oven at its highest temperature for ½ hour, then turn on the broiler and slide your pizza onto the metal plate. It should emerge perfectly cooked in 1.5 to 2 minutes.

WHAT'S GOING ON: Pizza in a brick oven cooks at about 800 degrees—way hotter than the highest setting of most home ovens. The metal sheet is more conductive than a brick oven's stone, so it can cook just as fast at a lower temperature.



July
02.14.11 - 5:58 pm

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Thanks, Alton!

Have sheet, will travel.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by July
02.14.11 - 6:06 pm

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Really want to go, but I don't have a ride. Help a brother out and you will be rewarded.





Weekender
02.14.11 - 7:07 pm

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three of my ped friends just paid...please welcome them and make sure they never want to come back <3



andres84
02.14.11 - 7:08 pm

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gotta give more details before you can get help.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Weekender
02.14.11 - 8:11 pm

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wtf!!! whydos fb have this as canceled?

now i REALY dont kno what is going on.

my homys weer going to go to this to.

i woold have like to see the NARCS camp for my self.



fixie4life
02.14.11 - 9:45 pm

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UGH RANDOMS



Coe coe buttaa
02.15.11 - 12:50 am

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Facebook canceled SS4 'cause mark zuckerberg wants all the hawt, hipster, American-Apparel-clad bike chixx0rs to himself.

'Homie's Wear' Is highly recommended, as it will get cold at night.

There will certainly be no NASCAR camp...if anyone tries to build a paved, banked elliptical track, it'll undoubtedly be taken over almost instantaneously by fixie4life and crew, right?

Remember, cycling = rotating != biking.





Lance K
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02.15.11 - 4:16 am

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Weather forecast is 100 deg during the day, and 20 deg at night, with 80% chance of rain on Friday and 100% on Saturday with a likely hood of flash-floods.

Event is Rain or Shine; no refunds.

I'm bringing a boat.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.15.11 - 10:12 am

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I'd like to volunteer for a bar shift whenever if it's needed.......





redridinghood
02.15.11 - 10:34 am

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Jesus christ that sounds horrible.

I can't wait.

P.S. will anyone have a spot on their car on the way back towards LA? I don't really care where you're going, as long as its generally near LA and means I don't have to ride 200 miles home :p



Avner
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
02.15.11 - 10:42 am

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the last free place on earth... unless youre under 21





newarkhouse
02.15.11 - 10:45 am

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I'll have spot for a bike but not a body on the way back.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Avner
02.15.11 - 11:31 am

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SUKADIK



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by newarkhouse
02.15.11 - 11:31 am

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Thats epic Joe and will likely save my life! How can I get in contact with you once Im there?



Avner
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.15.11 - 1:08 pm

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Yo can't miss me.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Avner
02.15.11 - 1:27 pm

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Awesome, Thanks Joe, my name is Hamilton. See you Late friday night at my worn legs push my sorry ass into the camp!



Avner
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.15.11 - 2:38 pm

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Ugh, random.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.15.11 - 3:42 pm

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i'LL SHOW YOU RAM DONG!



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
02.15.11 - 3:54 pm

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Did someone say my name?



secretragingcow
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.15.11 - 4:07 pm

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what happens at the Salton Sea stays at the Salton Sea



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.15.11 - 4:07 pm

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If you woke up in your tent and your ass hurt, would you tell anyone?



Avner
responding to a comment by spiraldemon
02.15.11 - 4:27 pm

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your mom doesn't tell you, does she?



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by Avner
02.15.11 - 4:48 pm

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That was an invitation if I ever heard one, Fluffkinz.



Joe Borfo
02.15.11 - 4:48 pm

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the reverend dak
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.15.11 - 5:33 pm

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ton-OOOOHOHOHOOOH !

shudof known betta, yeah.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
02.15.11 - 9:37 pm

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"the last free place on earth... unless youre under 21"

Hey man, I don't give a flying FUCK what people under 21 do out there. They can fucking eat a bunch of pills, drink too much stockpiled 4 Loko and take a header off the water tower, but I sure as SHIT am not going to contribute to any underaged anything. Nor am I going to serve alcohol to a very friendly-looking person I don't know that doesn't have i.d., guarantees that they're 21, drops a few names of Ridazz who post a lot on the forum only for that person to be a fucking narc.

Ain't a-gonna happen.






Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.15.11 - 10:49 pm

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(But I got Texas.)



Ms. Stephanie
02.15.11 - 10:54 pm

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NOTBOMBAY BEACH Ride is posted for Sunday. I'll fix the formatting when I get home.



PC
02.15.11 - 11:18 pm

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Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by PC
02.15.11 - 11:30 pm

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Rides keep falling through. I really want to go. Can you or anyone you know have little ol' me in their car? Please email me micheleappel at gmail if so. Thank you for your help, hope to see you out there.



vspangle
02.16.11 - 12:12 am

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Sorry about the lack of rideshare wiki...I haven't figured out how to do that with google sites.

I would like to take this opportunity to +1 Ms. Stephanie's lil' rant. The bar is going to be 21+ only, all the time. I will be checking IDs. Sorry, kids, but it's really just one tiny corner of camp.



Lance K
02.16.11 - 12:45 am

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Oh yeah, and I just got our 200th, 201st, and 202nd RSVP.

Adding a keg to the bar's inventory....and another potty...



Lance K
02.16.11 - 12:52 am

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This is crazy. How many total last yaer? Wasn't it like 90 or something?

I wonder what kind of numbers hitchhikers camp sees at new years- anybody know?



jonnyboy
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.16.11 - 2:00 am

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NO UNDER RAGERS



Coe coe buttaa
02.16.11 - 2:11 am

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the last free place on earth... unless youre under 21

Free as in speech, not beer.

If you're under 21 and feel the need to drink in the desert, make solving that problem your job--it sure as hell isn't anybody else's. Get resourceful. Or get your parents to buy it for you, like I did when I was your age. Sheesh, kids today...



PC
responding to a comment by newarkhouse
02.16.11 - 3:18 am

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Rain rain go away!!!



bobdotorg
02.16.11 - 4:17 am

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Current forecast for Niland, CA:

Fri:
Chance of Precip:
10%

Sat:
Chance of Rain:
60%

Sun:
Chance of Precip:
20%

Wet 'N' Wild saturdays are the best kind of saturdays!



luckypierre
02.16.11 - 5:18 am

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after all that crying... you better ride with us BORFO!!!!!!!!




Kakihara
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.16.11 - 9:28 am

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Oh lawdy lawdy, I wants to party
So rain rain go away
go fuck with someone else for those 3 days.



Avner
02.16.11 - 10:19 am

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im 17 and am going to bring my first fixie to slab city. i spent all my money on bright colored deep Vs so I didnt have any left over for brakes or for my friends bro to buy us beer but can trade high grade organic greens

Please serve me, i know Alex Thompson and someone named 'Xrayz'

my older friend who works for something called the ATF told me tren way has the best beer at salton sea and that i definitely need to try it.





newarkhouse
02.16.11 - 11:22 am

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IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!



IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN

IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!



IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!



IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!




IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!

IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!

IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!

IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!



IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!



IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!

IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!



IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!




IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!




IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!

IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!

IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!



IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!

IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!



IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!




IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!

IT'S NOT GONNA RAIN!





Joe Borfo
02.16.11 - 11:55 am

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Does the ATF actually do anything anymore? I thought they were more or less completely neutered after waco



secretragingcow
responding to a comment by newarkhouse
02.16.11 - 12:43 pm

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hot springs + rainy night

I do want



Gav
02.16.11 - 12:46 pm

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I still remember when Ridazz bar refused to serve Marino because he lost his ID at the hot springs when he went skinny dipping with the techno crowd. He was not a happy camper without his ouzo





secretragingcow
02.16.11 - 12:49 pm

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tomatoes loved salton sea, but hated sunshine, so this will be perfect weather.



slowrighthand
02.16.11 - 1:01 pm

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How do we find the camp once we arrive?

One of my friends who is driving up, and taking all my bullshit up in his truck would like to know how to find the campgrounds among the 40 mile long stretch or so.





Avner
02.16.11 - 1:40 pm

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Once you follow the directions:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&om=0&msa=0&msid=209004823215781115115.000445ad35dfb66c70021&t=h&source=embed&ll=33.250917,-115.47135&spn=0.006281,0.00912

You can't miss it.

If you hit Salvation Mountain you've gone too far. If you see a large water cistern, and another large water cistern sized hole in the ground next to it, you have arrived.



luckypierre
responding to a comment by Avner
02.16.11 - 2:07 pm

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i heard zone reality is having an open house.



slowrighthand
02.16.11 - 2:26 pm

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Oh yeah Zone realty is representing Salvation Mountain right since Leonard is selling it before he passes. so sad



secretragingcow
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
02.16.11 - 2:31 pm

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each year i pay my 5$ and each year i never poop.



larsenf
02.16.11 - 3:04 pm

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Hey there, buddy. Thanks for the invite! This is gonna be so intense.



FBI
responding to a comment by Avner
02.16.11 - 4:18 pm

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AAAAAAAAAAAnnnnnnnnnndddddd..... Im going . I will make sure to pay dues and such like tonight.



OsnapsonJC
02.16.11 - 4:29 pm

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thank you for the heads up!



Avner
responding to a comment by luckypierre
02.16.11 - 4:42 pm

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Izzzz doin this! ! ! ! ! ! ! Woooo Hoooooo! ! ! ! !

I am glad I got the wifey's O.K...

Is there going to be a Medical Tent? I sure hope so... If not, can someone just roll me into the water canal?

Thanks in advance...

Also, if someone on the "Paid" list already has my full name, does that count as a two'fer?




Rogue Rida
02.16.11 - 5:57 pm

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Don't let this happen again -





Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by secretragingcow
02.16.11 - 5:58 pm

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so what's the best way to deal with the rain as far as camping gear and mud?



Sneek
02.16.11 - 6:23 pm

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CARPOOL LIST - http://goo.gl/CaAMr



Joe Borfo
02.16.11 - 6:25 pm

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Dog, if you think i give a fuck, then you ain't KNOW ME NONE



secretragingcow
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.16.11 - 6:34 pm

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"so what's the best way to deal with the rain as far as camping gear and mud?" -Sneek

PLEASE REFER TO - THIS POST.





Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Sneek
02.16.11 - 6:37 pm

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Bring shelter, like a canopy. The bar will only fit "so-many" people, so bringing a canopy, rope and tarps will help create other "areas". hang out, drink beer, eat pizza, it'll be fun no matter what.

Wear a poncho and boots.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by Sneek
02.16.11 - 8:32 pm

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@jonnyboy - I think there was at least 160 people last year.

@Rogue Rida - if you're going that route, you better show up before the other guy - naturally we will be crossing names off the list as people show up at the bar.

--

Just entered the 213rd name. I like that number.

SALTON SEA 4 is officially SOLD OUT!

Don't forget to bring a cup!



Lance K
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
02.17.11 - 1:26 am

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...and a towel!



Lance K
02.17.11 - 1:43 am

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DON'T PANIC!



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.17.11 - 9:58 am

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OH YEAH!

BRING YOUR OWN CUP!!!





the reverend dak
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.17.11 - 10:51 am

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2 girls 1 cup-----Ridazz style



sack or crack you choose
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
02.17.11 - 11:56 am

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YO, STEP OFF!







Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by sack or crack you choose
02.17.11 - 2:47 pm

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Seriously sold out? I was just talking with someone about making the trip.

Please explain:

Can more people still go? Can I pay my dues in actual CASH MONEY?





parlorbikes
02.17.11 - 3:08 pm

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SRSLY? Gaise? What's going on?



Joe Borfo
02.17.11 - 3:11 pm

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Sold out? I just paid for this at like 7am this morning......My little MoM heart will be crushed if this is true.



OsnapsonJC
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.17.11 - 3:16 pm

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Gaise, this trip had sold out when Franz got involved.

DONGG





Joe Borfo
02.17.11 - 3:24 pm

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Ummm I dont see my name on this list.



OsnapsonJC
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.17.11 - 3:41 pm

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did you pay?



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
02.17.11 - 3:45 pm

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Sure did.



OsnapsonJC
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.17.11 - 3:51 pm

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50 bucks for my spot. otherwise i'm putting my shit ticket on craigslist.



slowrighthand
02.17.11 - 3:57 pm

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Then all you have to do is click HERE.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
02.17.11 - 3:59 pm

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Hey yo OJ just poop in borfo's tent or better yet in hes mouf

borfomouf



sack or crack you choose
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.17.11 - 4:11 pm

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.com



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by sack or crack you choose
02.17.11 - 4:12 pm

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You better be there, RV CAPTAIN.

I got your fucking gloves.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by sack or crack you choose
02.17.11 - 4:17 pm

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The juice will be loose



OsnapsonJC
responding to a comment by sack or crack you choose
02.17.11 - 4:20 pm

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i don't have a paypal. maybe someone can pay for me online and i'll pay you when i see you there? otherwise, i'll pay my dues at the bar.



coldcut
02.17.11 - 11:58 pm

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i don't have a paypal. maybe someone can pay for me online and i'll pay you when i see you there? otherwise, i'll pay my dues at the bar.



coldcut
02.17.11 - 11:58 pm

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you will be fined double



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by coldcut
02.18.11 - 12:23 am

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you will be fined double



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by coldcut
02.18.11 - 12:24 am

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:'(



coldcut
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.18.11 - 12:29 am

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:'(



coldcut
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.18.11 - 12:29 am

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Coldcut - yeah, you owe me $12.

Snaps on JC or whateverthefuckyournameis - what email address did you pay with? Sorry if I missed it, but luckily it's all still 'in the cloud'.



Lance K
responding to a comment by coldcut
02.18.11 - 3:30 am

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5 dolla 5 dollla



Coe coe buttaa
02.18.11 - 6:01 am

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Riding bikes in the desert with y'all was cool and all, but it's a little passé. This weekend I'm XC night skiing for the in the woods. Full moon, bonfire, kegs, no techno.

Karahu Backcountry skis with 3 pin Rottefella bindings are the new 650B tourers, which were the new cyclocross, which were the new fixies, which were the new rollerblades, and so it goes.



franz
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.18.11 - 6:48 am

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LOL @ snaps on JC ... Why my name is so hard I will never understand but that not important at the moment. My email is ... dizzle2633 @ yahoo.com ...



OsnapsonJC
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.18.11 - 8:56 am

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Well.... Im not going. goddamned Desmond Tutu!!!



buckchin
02.18.11 - 2:26 pm

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does any one kno about the trip plan in the summer to this? we did not go cas of the shity weather.



fixie4life
02.18.11 - 10:17 pm

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The weather is great out here. 100% chance of fun, with a large accumulation of positivity.




parlorbikes
responding to a comment by fixie4life
02.19.11 - 9:46 am

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CARELESS WHISPERS X5000



ioioio
02.20.11 - 5:49 pm

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and what's the name of that LOKO PARTY SONG that goes

uno dos tres quatro / DEET DEET DEET DEET DEET DEET DEET ?




ioioio
02.20.11 - 5:53 pm

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El Sonidito by Hechizeros Band. Hipster



palucha66
responding to a comment by ioioio
02.21.11 - 1:20 pm

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KABS
02.21.11 - 4:34 pm

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Who made the Tomatoes mix? I'd really like a copy.



KABS
02.21.11 - 4:39 pm

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oh baby.



theshues
02.21.11 - 6:01 pm

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I will never listen to this song the same way ever again ,.,



OsnapsonJC
responding to a comment by theshues
02.21.11 - 6:16 pm

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I will never listen to this song the same way ever again ,.,



OsnapsonJC
responding to a comment by theshues
02.21.11 - 6:18 pm

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lackflag made all the epic mixes including that.



I'm never gonna dance again.




Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by KABS
02.21.11 - 6:52 pm

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7 months till burning sea



newarkhouse
02.21.11 - 7:20 pm

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Can someone with admin privileges take the hyphen out of the "Salton Sea - 2011" gallery?

I'm going to add my photos in there, since someone already created that (not me) and I figure creating a whole new gallery would only create confusion. BUT all the other Salton Sea galleries are sans hyphen, so it would be nice if it matched.

Thanks!



theroyalacademy
02.22.11 - 9:34 am

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LATFDesigner



secretragingcow
responding to a comment by theroyalacademy
02.22.11 - 9:58 am

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Done...
any gallery name can be edited without affecting the photos inside of it.



barleye
responding to a comment by theroyalacademy
02.22.11 - 10:22 am

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Im never gonna dance away.guilty feet i got no rhythm...



Huey555
02.22.11 - 10:39 am

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So close to actually making it there by Bike it hurt. Not as bad as my ankles afterwards but I nearly made it.

People were great, party was epic. Thank you to everyone who came for making this experience so fucking awesome.



Avner
02.22.11 - 10:52 am

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Also,

Fuck George Michael.


That is all.



Avner
02.22.11 - 10:58 am

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George Michael is the new dupstep



newarkhouse
02.22.11 - 11:13 am

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Thanks to all who came out for the NOTBOMBAY BEACH ride on Sunday. Have fun cleaning out your drivetrains. I told you it was going to be on dirt! Fuck Bruce!



PC
02.22.11 - 11:15 am

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I was humming Careless Whisper most of the drive back home. I've been humming Careless Whisper most of this morning. I think I'll be humming this song until next year.



Rosiekins
02.22.11 - 11:39 am

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What do you got against George Michael? Does he owe you money for a BJ?

Otherwise the best part of the Bar was Careless Whispers. The worst part of the Bar were all those that felt entitled to FREE BEER, you fucking brats ever heard of gifting? The beer was gift, look the word up.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by Avner
02.22.11 - 11:55 am

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Thanks to @RevDak and @Frumble for the Tomatoes fire memorial. Thanks to @Fuzzbeast for helping me with the Tomatoes memorial plaque. And an ohmygodIcriedlikeababy thanks to @RevMook for the memorial at Bombay Beach. Holy shizznit, it's beautiful. I'm so glad Tomatoes' mom stayed for the whole thing, even though she had to put up with a little too much Australian madness during the fire memorial. But it was so good to see her there.

Careless Whispers for the win so badlee.

@Lanceka, You are one amazing bartender.

@Youstupidbitchwhohelpedthelocalsburnmybarstools, Don't come on rides that I'm on.

@Trystero TRYSTERO!



Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
02.22.11 - 12:41 pm

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Congratulations to the artists who built the Tomatoes burn monument and to Mook for the AMAZING and beautiful Bombay Beach plaque. What a feeling to stop in at bombay beach and take that in..... May it last forever. Best SS4 yet.



Roadblock
02.22.11 - 12:59 pm

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hahaha you and I should come up with a remix. Like our xmas caroling. Best weekend. I'm buying a megaphone for next year. =P



cbneckpunch
responding to a comment by Rosiekins
02.22.11 - 1:12 pm

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BEST SONG EVER.

30 minute loop for the WIN



Roadblock
responding to a comment by theshues
02.22.11 - 1:14 pm

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your version for the win. hahaha



cbneckpunch
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.22.11 - 1:35 pm

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I think Roadblock got us beat on that remix. We should just collaborate with him. IF WE HAD A MEGAPHONE HE WOULD HEAR US!



Rosiekins
responding to a comment by cbneckpunch
02.22.11 - 1:35 pm

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hipster
02.22.11 - 2:13 pm

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKSyPoxzT6w



hipster
02.22.11 - 2:13 pm

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http://www.scpr.org/news/2011/02/22/new-river-gets-new-lease-life/



lackflag
02.22.11 - 2:44 pm

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Contrary to popular belief it was NOT a 30 minute loop, it was an EXTENDED REMIX.

1 Song, 3 verses, 2 solos... just really really long sexy SAX solos.

Thank you Mateo for making that for me, I'm glad people liked it. And all you fucking hipsters that tried to change the only song I wanted to hear that night, FUCK YOU, EAT SHIT, motherfucker!

The best part of Sunday Morning, KINGS AND QUEENS! That was dedicated to all of you... LOL.

Thank you LANCE and MS.STEPHANIE for running a kick-ass bar.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.22.11 - 2:57 pm

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Thanks you Ms. Stephanie, Lance and Dak for erecting and running the most amazing bar the desert has ever known. Thank you to everyone who came and brought the love and helped to create all the F.U.N. that could be had. Coffee, beer, whiskey, community meals, spontaneous adventures, songs on the mountaintop (<3 to Gibbins & the sluts), mud, fire and a good dose of desert madness. Aaaaaaaaah. DIG HERE!



kryxtanicole
02.22.11 - 2:57 pm

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Thank you so much. This past weekend has taught me so much. Laughing, crying, cuddling, dancing, riding, running, climbing, music making, fire burning, Tomatoes tributing, beer drinking, mud wrestling, mud volcanoes, the moon rain sun and stars, the people, new and old friends, bike cars, the bar, flame cannon. Wow.



bwillowz
02.22.11 - 3:09 pm

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Damn i am sad i missed gibbins & the sluts and sock wrestling but thanks to "PC" went on the best ride evar! at one point we thought he was trying to kill us. ok only a few of us thought that... thanks PC!





Kakihara
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
02.22.11 - 7:10 pm

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I'm proud of all the ridazz who toughed it out, contributed, participated, and enjoyed themselves.

Great trip!


Perhaps next year we can schedule this so that it won't compete with Mini Bike Winter in PDX? Or perhaps things are fine the way they are...

I just want to say I was happy with how well people behaved with each other and respected that place. Not sure how much longer we will keep the opportunity, but I hope it lasts. RIDE ON!



Joe Borfo
02.22.11 - 8:29 pm

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Just because nobody died, doesn't mean he wasn't trying to kill us.



lackflag
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02.22.11 - 8:54 pm

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thank you to everyone who made this trip awesome. i will never forget this weekend. i learned more about myself and others than i ever have. i lost things that will never be found. i made friends that will never be lost. i remember laying in my tent with paul's fire cannon lighting up the whole thing and some beautiful music being made on some crazy shit only to interrupted by the beautiful sounds of george michael's saxy sex. i am so glad i know the coolest people in the world. thank you midnight ridazz for expanding my mind.



gus
02.22.11 - 9:27 pm

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Thanks to everyone who contributed to SS4 (except for the Aussie headbutter), especially:

Lance, raddest bartender and cicerone on the planet!

ms stephanie and rev dak for the bar itself, best place to hang out at whether it's at burning sea or salton man.

rev dak and frumble for the tomatoes conflaguration; ms stephanie and fuzzbeast for the plaque; and rev mook for the bombay beach sign.

graham, larsen, and borfo for keeping the chaos going Sunday night.

mixtemotions for being the most amazing fashion show designer, organizer and MC ever!

all the creators/collaborators/designers/builders of the soundsystem/propane bike cars. fucking rad!!!

lackflag for his pure musical genius.

the tallbike jousters, especially fuzzbeast with his awesome armor.

danny and reed for bringing thunderdome to sock wrestling.

frumble, caroline, and others who added more great art around hitchhiker's camp.

secretragingcow for his Car Stuck in the Mud Interactive Art Project!

slowrighthand for the pickled eggs!

and last but not least the sheriffs for letting us continue to have fun Sunday night.





toweliesbong
02.22.11 - 9:31 pm

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EPIC

Thank you MR.



parlorbikes
02.23.11 - 8:16 am

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so much incredible creativity and energy went into this years Salton Sea it gives me tingles and makes me feel so proud to be part of such a dynamic, inventive and loving community.

I wish i had enough time to finish all the projects i had planned, guess ill have to go bigger next year. In many ways this trip was so much better than Burning Man and I think next year's trip will be even better.

I loved friday night so much. memories of tomatoes cursing out daniel while he was djing last year and the physical east/west divide of camp faded away as dozens of people seeking shelter from the rain lost their shit dancing to jonny boys incredible sound system connected to the bar.

heres the moombahton mix that I played that night-
Nadastrom podcast

and heres my photos -> fakedomainname.org

trenway+angelopes=<3 maybe we can work out a joint custody arrangement for graham.



newarkhouse
02.23.11 - 10:47 am

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we've already lost grammie to the sprockettes



Joe Borfo
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02.23.11 - 10:59 am

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+1 for joint custody of graham!

speaking of graham, fucker did an amazing job of directing people into camp this year- wouldn't you say?! the camp layout this year was truly top notch. THANKS GRAHAM!

graham also gets my most valuable passenger award. Sorry sheendawg, your navigation skills lack discipline and you know it

ALREADY LOOKING FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR!! :)



jonnyboy
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02.23.11 - 11:04 am

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Graham will always be tren way, whether he likes it or not - it's in the blood. Plus we love each other too much. But just because we don't formally accept dual citizenship doesn't mean you can't, it's all good and we're all midnight ridazz.

I managed to finish about 75% of the projects I set out to do. About 75% appreciated 50% of my art, that makes me extremely happy and feel successful - I wouldn't have been able to accomplish any of it if it wasn't for all of you.

If you don't know what I bring to Ridazz Camp, you're not paying attention.

p.s. I'm still pretty pissed about my Bar Furniture, which took me 2 days to make and everyone another day to decorate. If some of you aren't aware, on the last night some stupid RIDAZZ thought it would be OK to burn my bar stools, 10 of them. (contrary to popular belief, it was instigated by a couple ridazz, not locals. Although they helped.)

The art on them is irreplaceable. They've been to Burning Man twice and Salton Sea twice. You can imagine how bummed I am about them. It's fucked up, and makes me not want to do, or bring, anything for you guys. But I'm forgiving and I can't help myself.

I don't know their names, but they're not welcome around me, ever.



the reverend dak
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02.23.11 - 12:09 pm

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"p.s. I'm still pretty pissed about my Bar Furniture, which took me 2 days to make and everyone another day to decorate."

Yeah, that shit sucks. Two of my favorite bar stools were by President of TWBC For Life Graham and by spiraldemon.



toweliesbong
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02.23.11 - 12:15 pm

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One more thing. Who knows the story about the kid who's mom called the cops on us? Care to share it? I heard the cops printed out this whole forum, and came asking for organizers and stuff.

I hope you learned a lesson, YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS on a PUBLIC FORUM

dummies.





the reverend dak
02.23.11 - 12:16 pm

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Thank you Tren Way for showing the rest of us how to do it out in the desert. You guys are appreciated, especially by Cruss Mob.

Thanks to all those that said we couldn't get our little fire going... and we did, and then everyone who came by and shared awesome yumminess! The pancakes, quesadillas and indian pare stand out the most but everything we cooked was tastey and so delicious.

Thanks to Tim for hauling our drunk asses. Hope we didn't dirty the van much.

Thanks to all the music providers and dancers that accompanied the music: had too much.

To all old and new friends for sharing in the experience.

Thank you.



And thanks Justin for providing that link to moombahton mix... there's a song I woke up to that night that mix was playing that I can't get out of my head and that I can't for the love of me find online.



July
02.23.11 - 12:26 pm

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i <3 dak



slowrighthand
02.23.11 - 1:05 pm

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are you fucking kidding? hahaha when did the cops come besides when the tomatoes fire was raging? they asked for the organizer or president... of course there isnt one, they did know that it was an annual event.... but I assumed it was one of the locals who called the cops? do tell more detail!



Roadblock
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02.23.11 - 1:09 pm

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I ate slowrighthand.



toweliesbong
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02.23.11 - 1:16 pm

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this needs to be a biannual event with a look towards eventually making a permanent ridazz settlement...



Roadblock
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02.23.11 - 1:22 pm

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I think it was me who got your fire going... lol...





the reverend dak
responding to a comment by July
02.23.11 - 1:32 pm

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Moth told me there are other places we can camp, and some places we can be even louder...

You might want to ask Alaska? I'm not sure, I heard it through the grapevine.



the reverend dak
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02.23.11 - 1:34 pm

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i just want to say, thank you to everyone this year. it was loads of jeffs cum.. wait i mean loads of fun and lance thank you for a great bar, i love drinking your beer.. especially when your serving it. and dak&staph thanks for the memorial, it was amazing. jonny&paul for the music bikes and graham for the questionable faces throughout the weekend. dylan for the amazing food outside my tent. and the locals for bringing a little slab city to the camp. FUCKYOUMOTHERFUCKEREATSHIT.

DEET DEET DEET DEET DEET DEET.



theshues
02.23.11 - 1:36 pm

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YOU and your fire politickin!! you and Graham tried to kill our fire with your so-called EPIC fire! how satisfying t'was to see you back at the real fire later that morning.



Roadblock
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02.23.11 - 1:48 pm

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I made it as far as Joshua Tree and realized the desert is for zen like reflection and not a bunch of raving dub-step crack heads making too much noise. I am glad you all had fun...

and RIP bar stools 2009 - 2011, we never knew you.....



sack or crack you choose
02.23.11 - 1:56 pm

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man all the bar stools? there was history in those mother fuckers! that is my favorite bar, i cant believe someone would do that. maybe they were unhappy with your limited hours.



larsenf
02.23.11 - 2:09 pm

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saturday or sunday during the day an imperial county sheriff suv pulled up to camp and parked by the teepee and stayed for a little while.

graham (maybe alaska? my brain is misfiring) told me that they had been alerted to the 'bike rally,' as a homeland security officer put it, by someone's MOM. they had this thread printed out, but there wasn't really much they wanted, other than to assert their presence.

I am so down for a new location next year- Leonard seems bummed by us, even if its the locals we get drunk who fuck up his mountain.

closer to hotsprings maybe :-)



newarkhouse
02.23.11 - 2:50 pm

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I bet they were looking for 4-Loko.



neverclever
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02.23.11 - 3:00 pm

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Like Roadblock said... We need to colonize...

Thanks to everyone who put their time and effort into making sure others would enjoy themselves.
TREN WAY, you deserve a welcome back parade... Thanks for everything.

So... When is the next trip?



Rogue Rida
02.23.11 - 3:14 pm

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Notes: I managed to rescue one bar stool from the fire Sunday morning. I stumbled over to the campfire bleary-eyed just in time to watch one of the local crazies toss it in. I fished it out just as the flames were starting to catch. I alerted him and his associates to the fact that it was furniture and had been through several trips. I think 2 chairs survived in total? After clarifying the difference between firewood and not firewood, i left the circle of crazies hovering around the fire in the early light of the day.

Also, Thanks for hooking up the flames Dak, we ate like desert kings thanks to that little ground stove and fuel you provided.

And, yeah, the cops were definitely wise to what was transpiring in the desert. We had the pleasure of (involuntarily) visiting with them as we left Niland, and they made it clear that they knew what kind of things were going on out there. They didn't say how they got their info, but they knew what they were looking for.



kryxtanicole
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02.23.11 - 3:23 pm

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that location is pretty tits.... they'll get over it.



Roadblock
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02.23.11 - 3:24 pm

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Not sure if they will… not much happens there for them to forget and get over it. One thing I know for sure is that I will not simply “get over it”. Kinda surprised I am reading this form you, Roadblock. What happened to respecting the surroundings, the people who live there, the people you went with and cleaning up your fucking trash? I aint no babysitter. Fuck this shit.



Kakihara
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02.23.11 - 4:12 pm

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Oh yeah. That was our 2nd, more evolved fire. Thanks so much again.

The first hobo fire (as Rambod called it) was started by Ray courtesy of his spray can. That one was awesome too!



July
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02.23.11 - 4:13 pm

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And thanks for saving the one, Krista. Seriously appreciate it.

Yep, two stools out of twelve survived. I'm surprised the tables and the bar were still there!



Ms. Stephanie
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02.23.11 - 4:29 pm

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that's kind of fucked up thinking roadblock. I just got word that Leonard at Salvation Mtn was really upset at our behavior. The noise, vandalism and the "Noise-Bikes" really made him uncomfortable. In fact I heard that they're going to do their best to make sure we don't come back next year. I'm NOT making this up. It really doesn't matter who, or what, individual caused any single thing because it reflects on ALL OF US. That means it reflects on ME. I'm a friend of Charlie, who didn't bother visiting us this year because of what happened LAST YEAR. It's fucking bullshit.

I also got informed that Noah was one of the Ridazz that decided it was OK to throw my bar-stools into the fire. I will speak with him soon. The locals have never really fucked with any of my shit before, they've taken beer but when they see OTHERS taking beer from my cooler, it might seem like it's OK for them too (which is why it is important that NO ONE GOES BEHIND THE BAR.) I can go on and on with my complaints, and concerns, and I know most of you heed my warnings. But this is really looking like it was the LAST Salton Sea trip, at least at this magnitude and location.

It's funny because i'm finding it really hard to be pissed off at anyone, because i"m pretty much still glowing from the trip. It was awesome. But as it is, things will need to change if we're to do this again. Which sucks. It means rules, and no one likes rules. But if you can't apply SIMPLE FUCKING COMMON SENSE, it means you need rules. If you need rules STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.23.11 - 4:34 pm

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you just ate my eggs and pickle.



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
02.23.11 - 4:35 pm

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I'll eat your eggs and pickle any day of the week.



Ms. Stephanie
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02.23.11 - 4:37 pm

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you don't fucking listen. If we had ONE FIRE, like I said, we "might" not have ran out of wood on Sunday night. If we didn't run out of wood, on Sunday night, I would probably STILL HAVE MY BAR STOOLS. You amaze me sometimes with your hypocrisy. You were one of the complainers saying that we didn't have a central fire, but YOU were the one trying to put the fire up on the hillside instead of in the middle of the camp last year, and you were the one insistent on having the fire next to the bar this year instead of IN THE MIDDLE.

I love you don, but you are not allowed to handle the fire, ever.

p.s. All the wood in the Tomatoes Fire was wood that Hadley and I brought all the way from LA, and NOTHING to do with the COMMUNITY firewood.



the reverend dak
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02.23.11 - 4:47 pm

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I'm pretty pissed about losing those bar stools. they each had a history of blood, sweat, tears, and puke. I only decorated them, but they've been some of my best friends at the best bar in the world. Each one was unique, and each had a story to tell.



spiraldemon
02.23.11 - 5:00 pm

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there's so many brine jokes i want to make, but i'm afraid dak will burn me like a barstool.





slowrighthand
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02.23.11 - 5:02 pm

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Do I sense a bar stool making party coming soon? Ill chip in for wood!



Rogue Rida
02.23.11 - 5:07 pm

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grrrrr. don't piss me off.



the reverend dak
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02.23.11 - 5:19 pm

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Cheff will let you push his stool in with your wood anytime.



Joe Borfo
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02.23.11 - 5:25 pm

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you know i love that bar and all its furniture. i was pissed when i heard what happened.

anyone that instigated, contributed to, or even warmed themselves by the burning of those stools can go eat a thousand dicks.



slowrighthand
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02.23.11 - 5:25 pm

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The sheriff pulled up on Olive, Mok, Meow and I and asked us about an orgy.

Also-
THANK YOU FOR THE AWESOME BEER, BAR, PICKLES, FIRE, FUN, MUSIC, DANCE, TOMATOES, EVERYTHING WEEKEND.



Coe coe buttaa
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02.23.11 - 6:06 pm

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Is there any way someone could post the two remixes from the bar? The Careless Whispers and (forgive me for not knowing the name) UNO DOS TRES QUATRO one. Ive had so many people from La and Santa Cruz asking me to find them!

Still tingling all over from this weekend. I will never forget it. Can we go back next weekend? We never had a Moth Vs. invisible Tomatoes rematch at sock wrestling.



bwillowz
02.23.11 - 6:20 pm

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We'll have to have a bar stool making / decorating party. Coming soon to a Donghold near you.



Ms. Stephanie
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02.23.11 - 6:59 pm

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so where's the orgy?



slowrighthand
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02.23.11 - 7:00 pm

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yeah my house is under construction right now so im gonna see if we have the right size of plywood that i can donate. If not ima get some anyway from a supply store. Those stools saves my legs from falling of a couple of times so ill do anything to help.

Is there anyone in particular i should give it to?



bwillowz
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02.23.11 - 7:03 pm

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When I say "they will get over it" I'm talking about the sherriffs as that seems to be who was being discussed in the comment I was replying to about someones mom calling the sherriffs.....?



Roadblock
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02.23.11 - 8:06 pm

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Hypocrisy is seeing that a fire was started next to the generally cetrally located bar... And then starting another huge fire about 30 feet from the generally centrally located fire near the bar and using up a ton of wood on said fire and then blaming me for the lack of wood. Did you grab a tape measure and find center camp exactly? Cause your massive fire was literally 30 feet from the small fire that everyone was gathered around.... I consider that in practical terms to both be "generally centrally located" and therefore your massive fire was uncalled for. Further more you guys were dumping all sorts of fireworks and magnesium into the massive bonfire making it completely unfriendly to anyone who wanted to just chill around a generally centrally located fire and cuddle... And that is my friend why your massive fire failed and our cozy fire survived.... I won't bother committing the fallacy of blaming the huge fire for sucking up wood and compelling some idiot to burn the stools. Fuck who ever did that, but you can't call me a hypocrite for pointing out that your attempt to start a second fire 30 feet away from the cozy fire was a waste of wood and in fact your plan backfired!

As for the salvation mountain guy complaining... I don't even agree that we did much of anything more extreme than last year... Were there more people this year? I doubt it.... Maybe next year we should go south a bit more....





Roadblock
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02.23.11 - 8:21 pm

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The sheriff pulled up on Olive, Mok, Meow and I and asked us about an orgy.

Coe coe buttaa
02.23.11 - 9:06 pm


Where they cute (the sheriff)?



sexy
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02.23.11 - 9:02 pm

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Someones mommy calling the Pigs.

Pigs showing up with this exact thread printed out in it's entirety.

People forgetting how to shit, or making radically self expressive poop installations in the potties.

Idiot locals inflicting violence upon us.

Cool locals that used to like us but don't like us anymore, or just flat out dont want us there ever again.

Dates coinciding with the most awesome event ever in PDX.

Rain.

Underage everything.

Randoms.

Australian Saxophone.












Graham
02.23.11 - 9:26 pm

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Tomatoes Jeffigy's.

Amazing free beer.

Carless Whisper.

Thing's that go boom.

Gigsville.

Underage everything ;D

Bike Car's.








Graham
02.23.11 - 9:30 pm

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New dates.

Different place.

Nothing on public websites; Email and word of mouth ONLY.

Everyone pushing each other to make something.



Graham
02.23.11 - 9:33 pm

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I second that.



Dejahvu
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02.23.11 - 10:43 pm

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You are waaaay over reacting. Someone called their mommy to drive all the way from LA to ss4 to pick them up and that person apparently tried to sabotage the whole shit. What a twat buy does anyone think that will happen again?. That won't happen again. Everything is fine. This will all be forgotten about by next year. SS4 was fuckin awesome. That Australian bitch needed to get chin checked. And seriously, pdx has it's thang we have ours. The cops don't care about us.



Roadblock
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02.23.11 - 10:56 pm

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if we knew trang, dadachainbreaker's friend, helped burn the chairs, let's find out her address and send her an invoice via certified mail for the cost and labor of the chairs and just see what happens for the lols.

i doubt dada trolls the forums and i'm sure trang doesn't. who knows how to make a pro looking invoice?



mikeywally
02.24.11 - 12:39 am

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Anyone with Quickbooks can make one in 10 mins.



Bikekowski
responding to a comment by mikeywally
02.24.11 - 1:30 am

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fuck it



Joe Borfo
02.24.11 - 2:27 am

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anyone else come back itchy from SS4?



Bikekowski
02.24.11 - 4:02 am

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Only if you rolled with the honey-badger.



Joe Borfo
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02.24.11 - 9:01 am

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The future is lawless.



kryxtanicole
02.24.11 - 9:28 am

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I got some kind of bites on my legzz and body.



Roadblock
responding to a comment by Bikekowski
02.24.11 - 9:39 am

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Scabies?


shud of known betta...

wasted chance...


WOM WOMP WOMP



Joe Borfo
02.24.11 - 9:44 am

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HONEY BADGER



imachynna
02.24.11 - 10:05 am

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aaaaaaaaah ok

that makes more sense

sorry i got worked up over reading the other stuff (which is all news to me because i was away from basically 90% of all of this stuff)




Kakihara
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.24.11 - 10:15 am

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That was me.



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.24.11 - 10:48 am

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I just want to know who the artist was that managed to shit completely to the left of the hole in one of the porta potties? on further inspection that takes some serious determination... I mean one would have to brush up against the pee funnel to position ones ass that far to the left. You sir, or ma'am are a true artist de merde....



Roadblock
02.24.11 - 11:03 am

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who knew so many ridazz were so untrained in the art of potty slamming. i mean, people will roll around in the dirt and rub their junk against strangers but they wont wipe a seat and sit the fuck down?

I do find it funny that AT's Mouf gets installations every year.



neverclever
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.24.11 - 11:30 am

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they really should design those toilets with gaping funnel holes rather than seats. squat over the funnel and blast that shroomy shit into the vortex. Perhaps the funnel could be coated with some sort of slippery substance so the dookie just slides on down...





Roadblock
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02.24.11 - 12:55 pm

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to the aqueduct!!



Roadblock
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
02.24.11 - 12:55 pm

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Damn. I wish I hadn't read this before the Pupusa thread.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.24.11 - 1:08 pm

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poop ooza!



Roadblock
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malo lado
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malo lado
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.24.11 - 1:21 pm

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LOL!! perfect timing.



Roadblock
02.24.11 - 1:45 pm

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"Someone called their mommy to drive all the way from LA to ss4 to pick them up and that person apparently tried to sabotage the whole shit. What a twat buy does anyone think that will happen again?"

That's fucking pathetic. And, yes, it will happen again when you mix clueless, unprepared, immature brats of any age with obnoxious, immature, irresponsible assholes of any age. Anyone with a cell phone can call the cops. That's why the really good shit happens where there isn't any cell phone coverage.



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.24.11 - 2:42 pm

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"Maybe next year we should go south a bit more.... "

Yes, south of the tanks instead of the Salvation Mtn with sound systems always aimed away from Salvation Mtn and Slab City.

And please give more respect to Leonard when you're around or passing by Salvation Mountain. We're going to find out what was making him uncomfortable this year.



toweliesbong
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02.24.11 - 2:45 pm

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I passed Leonards twice once on the way to the range and once on the way back... I didn't feel like our parade was disrespectful at all.... would love to find out the story. that ridge is so spectacular at night with the LED art... bummer we have to move, but it's better that way. Though the ridge probably blocks sound somewhat from getting over to slab city.

another thing we could consider is taking a route along the back of the ridge to get to the range if it bother's leonard that we ride in front of salvation mountain....

I am all for showing utmost respect to the locals and to the Sheriffs who were uber cool about the Tomatoes memorial considering the fireworks and magnesium are both illegal to light on fire there. I spoke to the Sheriff for about 15 minutes while everyone was gathered around the memorial and they didn't want to have to break up the party, they just wanted the fireworks to stop which almost happened. A couple stubborn people continued to throw bottle rockets into the blaze after the sheriff drove off.... I tried to spread the word best as I could.






Roadblock
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02.24.11 - 3:10 pm

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how did no 1 get killed? i thout for sure some 1 was going to die.

i think there shold be 2 SS trip. 1 for the people that like LED ZEPPELIN n rain. n 1 for peeps that like dubstep and the sun.

oh yeah n NARCS go on the rain 1.



fixie4life
02.24.11 - 5:36 pm

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i love you dak. but FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
did you even see me on sunday night?
check your narc before you ?speak with me soon?
i dont have a computer so find my number
you know people i know, so that shouldnt be to hard
and give me a call. i would like an apologie for you putting my name
where it shouldnt be.



dudebra420
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
02.24.11 - 5:43 pm

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You know the way that most people felt about that Australian psycho dancing and shouting in front of the Tomatoes memorial pyre acting as if she knew better than anyone else what Tomatoes would have wanted? I suspect that Leonard may feel the same way about a gaggle of noisy party casualties sprawling all over his monument to Jesus, drawing attention to themselves instead of his life's work. I mean, Leonard's a pretty tolerant guy, and Ridazz are a pretty tolerant group, but there's a limit to everyone's patience.

As a group of us were riding up toward the slabs on Saturday, there was another group of Ridazz with a sound cart at Salvation Mountain, and I overheard some visitors saying "they seem to be under the impression that we all want to hear their music at full blast." Maybe that was what annoyed Leonard. Or maybe he just wanted to get some fucking sleep at night. Maybe he doesn't like George Michael. I don't really know.

You can say "people live here" as many times as you like, in bold, blinking capital letters, but that doesn't mean that campers are going to take it to heart when they're drunk and under the influence of any number of substances. At that point, asking them to have a subtle appreciation for the locals' sensibilities isn't going to get you anywhere, and for those who were a bunch of entitled little brats to begin with, it was a lost cause from the start.

This all sounds pretty curmudgeonly, but I actually had a good time (better than last year, definitely). I think that on the whole, we were pretty harmless. It just sounds like we're gradually eroding away whatever good will the locals might have had for us. We should stop doing that.



nathansnider
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.24.11 - 5:55 pm

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I had so much fun with you all this weekend you inspired me to register here just to say so! You fucking rock in more ways than I can count! I'd name names and specifics but then I'd be going on and on and still leave someone out. Simply an amazing experience.

To those who wound up directly in the blast zone of the synth/Theremin chaos, I would like to apologize for my poor placement choice. I promise that any future noise assaults will be more strategic.

At this point I've decided that deliberate re-programming is the only answer to George Michael...

Most of all I'm stoked for all the great people I met, got to know, or know better! Still buzzing from such a great weekend. Thanks one and all!

Buck



Buck
02.24.11 - 10:47 pm

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BUCK 4 EVA!



Ms. Stephanie
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02.25.11 - 9:49 am

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Thanks for hauling your stuff out there. Next time you can put your theremin next to my tent instead without any complaints (well depending on my neighbors).

This was my last SS trip with MR (at least for a while) but I always enjoy your synth/theremin set. Listening to Melt Banana was a good break from the 30 minute sax loop as much as I danced to it…
Cheers!
-e-




Kakihara
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02.25.11 - 9:59 am

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How many times do I have to emphasize:

IT WAS NOT A LOOP!
It was ONE song, played ONCE!



the reverend dak
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02.25.11 - 10:07 am

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Noah, I hope you can see where I'm coming from. I was pissed, and ready to blame somebody and anybody. But I'm at a point I don't care anymore. I apologize for throwing your name out there before speaking with you. Someone told me it was you, I went with that - I shouldn't have done that. Again, I'm sorry. I will get your number and call you ASAP, I don't want any bad blood between us.

(someone please pass this message along.)





the reverend dak
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02.25.11 - 10:19 am

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ok. that one very long song!
i skipped all comments/emails/posts about this song so i didn't know. I am looking forward to mixtemotions' version someday.



Kakihara
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02.25.11 - 10:30 am

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SSV will be held HERE





Joe Borfo
02.25.11 - 11:17 am

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HERE would be even better. I heard the water is clear and drinkable.



the reverend dak
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02.25.11 - 11:46 am

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That's funny, because my little piece of property is [[HERE | http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=salton+sea&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Salton+Sea&t=h&ll=33.345174,-115.969459&spn=0.007493,0.020556&z=17]]



jetfuel
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02.25.11 - 12:11 pm

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I got more information from locals at Slab City. Basically we're not welcome. The damage and disrespect that we did, as a group, is unforgivable. I feel embarrassed beyond belief. I'm really bummed about this. I knew that this trip was going to be a make-it or break-it trip. I didn't know, or maybe I did, but we broke it. We did a shitty job of policing ourselves. We did a shitty job of cleaning up after ourselves, and we did a really FUCKING SHITTY job of respecting the environment, the locals and the area as a whole.

Here's a quote:

"[...] the crux of the problem. Slab City and Salvation Mountain exist here because people try to treat each other with at least enough respect to allow each other to freely live without encroachment. The "freedom" we have here is not about being anti anything as much as it is about personal freedom to live without anyone overseeing you, like a landlord, boss or nosy neighbors. It does not mean that we come out here and do as we please at the expense of others peace or freedom. It is not about doing as we please TO others regardless of their choosing to participate or not, as your group did.
The whole affair was negative for many people who live in the Slabs. The talk at the Oasis Club following the weekend was about how disrespectful your group is and how much everyone wanted to kick your asses for it. It's been the same thing every time you have come here.
Your group seems to misunderstand these ideas. They appear to believe that because they have come from a city to the only real, free place in the desert they have the right to do as they please. Hedonism is fine, but not when you encroach upon others with it.[...]"


I feel truly ashamed. I'm not sure what we can do to make amends, and I'm not sure anything we do would help.

As it stands, we're no longer welcome there. This is on all of us.



the reverend dak
02.25.11 - 12:23 pm

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I'm not going next year, and my bar is not going next year.



Ms. Stephanie
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02.25.11 - 12:32 pm

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Salton Sea V is canceled.



spiraldemon
02.25.11 - 12:41 pm

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I want some clarification... like as in what exactly pissed them off... ok we made a bunch of noise with the music. EVERYONE was a party to that.... was the 30 seconds to mars song the final straw? or was it the george michael loop hahah I suppose it was ONLY the dubstep right? what about all the noise from the fireworks and the motocross bikes? that didnt piss anyone off?

seriously, when we went to the range people seemed to dig the show what turned them sour?

if they cant say exactly what was pissing them off then how can we adjust our behaviour next year. and according to this note, this has been the issue every year. are they just being haters?

like I say everytime, I'm all about repsecting the locals but they cant just hate on us ambiguously. lets get some details so we can adjust.

I will say this, a bunch of people littered the fuck out of the hot springs and that was fucked up. a bunch of people dumped canisters into the fires and didnt pick them up after and that was also fucked up. the exploding canisters and spray cans are fun surprises but if you dump them into a fire, be sure to pick them up when the fire is DONE!

where are you communicating with the locals Dak? was this on a message board? I would like to speak with them and see if we can make amends rather than run away from this amazing good time.





Roadblock
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02.25.11 - 12:59 pm

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Leave it along, Roadblock. We're stepping up and taking responsibility as part of the group, who gives a fuck what exact moment they decided it was an issue.

Take responsibilty yourself, try to fucking learn something from this, and move on to hopefully better things.

The people who are communicating with the locals are the ones who apparently give a fuck about them and their lived experience in their community more than a party.



Ms. Stephanie
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02.25.11 - 1:04 pm

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*alone



Ms. Stephanie
02.25.11 - 1:04 pm

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BLM1 - Presidents Day Weekend 2012

BYOEverything



slowrighthand
02.25.11 - 1:07 pm

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I give a fuck.

"Take responsibilty yourself, try to fucking learn something from this, and move on to hopefully better things. "

That's what I call talking to people face to face or at least via email or on the boards or if you will, how about the night of the Tomatoes memorial where I did actually take responsibility myself and talked to the Sheriffs, got my ID pulled and run and promised that the fireworks - the reason they stated they came out - would end. a broken promise it t'was as people still threw in fireworks despite my conveying the sheriff's demands....

SS5 will be different, but it will happen and the only way we can make good with the locals is to communicate with them and work with them, not just tell everyone they hate us and that we should never go back....





Roadblock
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02.25.11 - 1:11 pm

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"Take responsibilty yourself, try to fucking learn something from this, and move on to hopefully better things. "


If I am asking for clarification on what we did wrong, then isnt that a form of learning something from this? If I'm asking for the ability to communicate then isnt that taking responsibility myself? you guys know how to get in touch with the locals... I'm just asking for an introduction and a line of communication so we can adjust next year.



Roadblock
02.25.11 - 1:15 pm

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Meh.

This whole thing has me feeling really shitty, so I'm retreating back into the arms of Tren Way + friends inconclusivity.



Ms. Stephanie
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02.25.11 - 1:16 pm

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Is there any way to make this a smaller event at this point? I don't think so. Next year if you have this there are still going to be 200 people with megaphones shitting all over the portapotties. Why do we have to have to have Burning Man Jr. in someone's backyard? Look on a topo map. Find a dry lake bed on BLM land. Go there instead.

Maybe some smaller groups can go out to Salton Sea to make amends for this year by cleaning up for Leonard or something, but I think we're beyond "working out" a plan with the locals for a big weekend party in the future.




BellBeefer
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02.25.11 - 1:19 pm

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Just find somewhere else to go. Here's one reaction from the tren way list:

"Are you kidding me?!? There are about five billion dry lake beds within driving distance of us, none of which are in someone's backyard. That part's easy."





Ms. Stephanie
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02.25.11 - 1:20 pm

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Roadblock, today you are truly the Tom LaBonge of Midnight Ridazz.



PC
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02.25.11 - 1:26 pm

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Seriously, Roadblock. I'm asking you in all sincerity to leave it be and start something new. I'm not an unreasonable person, and you know how much I love Midnight Ridazz and Midnight Ridazz trips. There is no way for you to police this thing so that it will be okay with the locals, I promise. No way. As a matter of fact, they know that themselves and have had conversations with the sheriffs about it, so if respecting the locals isn't enough, then knowledge that the sheriffs will be all over it next year should help.

The email is long, detailed, and the grievances start from the very beginning of the weekend and go to the very end, and we are all responsible. I'm not going to repost the email because it's not my place to, and we're not going to share someone's email address because it's not our place to. You need to trust our call, you need to trust MY call, that this can't go on.

I mean, Leonard had to go stay at a motel because all of the noise / car traffic through his site / fire stressed him out so badly that people close to him were afraid for his health. That man has poured 30 years of his life into Salvation Mountain, and we chased him away.

@slowrighthand and @BellBeefer have it right - it's time to find some BLM land, and start fresh.







Ms. Stephanie
02.25.11 - 1:34 pm

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Just let toweliesbong pick the location. he's a BLM expert



secretragingcow
02.25.11 - 1:50 pm

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I'ma play the hater on this one

it sounds like they have the same grievances that any homeowner in LA would have if a ride pulled up to a park near their house and started playing obnoxious bass music and trashing the place.

I understand its 'their land' but if these people want to live in a situation where they can be free from roaming groups of obnoxious bikers, than maybe they should live somewhere that isn't connected to paved roads, has a history of renegade parties and scumy tourists. Were out there for the same reason they are - to avoid the feds and police. if they want peace and quite at night they should live somewhere with a police force to enforce that peace - i understand the whole respect issue, but if someone was truly disrespected enough to want to 'kick our asses' they should come out and say it while were there so something can be done about it - something i actually prefer way more than 'calling the cops.'

all the locals i interacted with, include Moth, who's home we truly camped in front of, seemed super stoked to have us there - including the slab city kid who's dream of making music I helped advance a little further by giving him his first experience on a drum machine. that and our monetary contribution to the Niland economy vastly overshadow, in my mind at least, all the other supposed negatives.

and with that, I'll let it die. RIP Salton Sea Ridazz trip to the fringe zone, time to evolve, time to grow, time to upgrade

An Angelope purchased a parcel of land outside Barstow not too long ago...



newarkhouse
02.25.11 - 1:55 pm

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agreed. face to face communication is best. but even if they call the sheriff thats fine too. I'd rather deal with them like I did this trip.

I dont like having complaints and issues moderated through interpreters and not getting the full story or details. that's what big government is for....

Saton Sea aint dead, next year we're going to get in touch direct with the locals and work it out direct. None of us are unreasonable. we don't need a huge fire with tons of fireworks and canisters exploding, the small cuddly fire was perfect, we can turn down the bass and it's pretty simple to draw up a map that keeps people from driving in front of Leonard's spot. I spent time with Moth this trip and the man was giving nothing but kudos. I've never shied away from talking things out with people and I certainly dont like being prevented from communicating on behalf of a name I spent a good portion of my life nurturing.... I'm defending this rep because a rep is all a playa got.

I love Trenways but sometimes you guys do get all exclusive and I'm sensing that here... I suppose if Salton sea were to die Trenway would never go back either right? yeah right... learn how to work with everyone. that's true anarchy.



Roadblock
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02.25.11 - 2:17 pm

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"it sounds like they have the same grievances that any homeowner in LA would have if a ride pulled up to a park near their house and started playing obnoxious bass music and trashing the place. ... if they want peace and quite at night they should live somewhere with a police force to enforce that peace ..."

OMG If I wanted a false equivalency I'd watch the Glenn Beck Show, SRSLY. It's not nearly the same thing.

"that and our monetary contribution to the Niland economy vastly overshadow, in my mind at least, all the other supposed negatives."

Right, and doing damage and bugging the fuck out of the dude who created and maintains MAIN ATTRACTION of that area for many people sure adds to the economy.



cabhauler
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02.25.11 - 2:19 pm

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I'm not going into details, but some people (most likely from our camp)went and fucked up some art, broke shit, and tagged on Salvation Mountain. Tat kind of shit does not fly with me. That is seriously fucked up behavior and I am ashamed to know that our camp may have had some involvement with that.

So there you go. Just as always, it takes just a few douchebags to fuck it all up for the whole. Sure, we can try to make ammends with Leonard and the rest of the community of Slab City, but we have overstayed our welcome and will have to find another place to bring our jump rope and sidewalk chalk next year. Perhaps we can come back another year.

Our community needs to realize that we fucked up as far as being able to police ourselves.
We need to make a MUCH STRONGER EFFORT to educate each other how to use common sense and self reliance in new environments.






Joe Borfo
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02.25.11 - 2:19 pm

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you have no idea. We have been communicating. Nice defensive you got there.

Whatever, I'm not going back there for a whiles in respect of Leonard's wishes.





Joe Borfo
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02.25.11 - 2:23 pm

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"I'm not going into details, but some people (most likely from our camp)went and fucked up some art, broke shit, and tagged on Salvation Mountain. Tat kind of shit does not fly with me. That is seriously fucked up behavior and I am ashamed to know that our camp may have had some involvement with that. "


well. THANK YOU for at least clarifying one of the grievances.... is there a photo of the damage so that we can determine if it indeed was one of us?

I don't think it would be that difficult to arrange for gifts to be made in the form of bucket paint brought to Leonard to help ease the sting even if it wasnt one of us....

get me a photo of the tags. lets start policing ourselves.






Roadblock
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02.25.11 - 2:24 pm

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Okay. Dak and I had decided that we cared enough to understand Salvation Mountain's grievance, so we decided to reach out. We did it via email because we wanted them to be able to vent uninterrupted while also being able to later distill it down into actionable items. It's apparent that just an excerpt of the mail doesn't do the whole mail justice, so I'm posting it below so that thereps proper perspective.

Dak and I weren't trying to represent anyone but ourselves. We wanted to reach out, so we did. As such, it will be us that will eventually formulate our reply. They don't need to have a bunch of love or hate mail from folks. In fact, they'd rather never hear from us again. It's Dak and I's gig, but the severity of the words from the Mountain are worth sharing to raise the collective awareness.

Okay, the whole mail:

"Thanks so much for following up on this. I hope some changes can be made before you folks come back here again.
From the morning of the first day, things got off to a bad start. I'm not sure what the deal with the megaphone's is, but some incredibly ignorant and immature people like to start annoying people with them first thing. That first day it started at around 6:30AM. After a completely sleepless night because of the music and noise blaring from the sound system, I had more than enough when it started up. I had to get out of my bed and approach the person with the megaphone. I told him that if he used it again before 8:00 I would "Fuck him up", and I meant it. I am rarely moved to a point of violence over anything, but people who are purposely annoying can take me there.
The next day was filled with cars passing through the Salvation Mountain driveways and parking lot even though there are 2 other entrances to the location you camped in. These areas are often occupied by families with children and older people viewing Leonard's work. Many of your group, not all, but many sped through as fast as they could handle. Then, of course, it rained and the parking area and the road (which was created by Leonard Knight) were muddy. People ignorant of the fact that these roads are used by the few residents including myself, paid no attention to the damage they caused driving in and out in the mud. The parking lot is still a mess of tire tracks and large, loose clumps of mud (now dried hard like cement) because some of your group thought it was funny to drive all around after being asked not to pass through. Finally, we had to close off the parking lot with my van on one end and straw bales on the other. These were completely obvious barriers placed in a futile attempt to save the road and parking area. People from your group drove around the barriers making ruts in the desert. Some even drove across the very delicate ground and struggling plant life making ugly tracks through the mud, now dried hard.
No less than 5 different cars and people defecated and urinated in my drive and in my immediate camp area. One girl stepped out of her car (which was parked about 20 feet from my front door) and began urinating in front of me while I argued with her to get out of my camp. Countless people walked right through my camp, I mean close enough for them to touch my trailer. In many caps in the Slabs, a person could be shot for that.
One piece of Leonard's artwork was destroyed by some of your group who set up a temporary camp in one of the small adobe "igloo's". They removed a mirrored glass that had been decorated by Leonard as a backdrop for some of his trophies. The mirror sat in that same location for about 10 years before your people took it out and broke it. It was left sitting out for us to find in the morning. Chairs, cigarette butts and beer cans left behind.
We found 4 or 5 graffiti markings painted with Leonard's paint. Nothing mean, but painted over his work.
One night, while Leonard was sleeping in his truck, I saw fire shooting in the air and went over to the mountain to see what was happening because we had an arson set fire only 2 weeks before. The guy with the car/bike was shooting flames from the top for photos. I told them they couldn't do that because Leonard was in his house and probably horrified. rather than apologizing and quietly leaving, they had to have one more photo of one more flaming burst, no matter the expense to Leonard. That was the only night Leonard spent at the Mountain during your visit. He stayed in a motel the rest of the time to avoid the stress.
That brings me to the crux of the problem. Slab City and Salvation Mountain exist here because people try to treat each other with at least enough respect to allow each other to freely live without encroachment. The "freedom" we have here is not about being anti anything as much as it is about personal freedom to live without anyone overseeing you, like a landlord, boss or nosy neighbors. It does not mean that we come out here and do as we please at the expense of others peace or freedom. It is not about doing as we please TO others regardless of their choosing to participate or not, as your group did.
The whole affair was negative for many people who live in the Slabs. The talk at the Oasis Club following the weekend was about how disrespectful your group is and how much everyone wanted to kick your asses for it. It's been the same thing every time you have come here.
Your group seems to misunderstand these ideas. They appear to believe that because they have come from a city to the only real, free place in the desert they have the right to do as they please. Hedonism is fine, but not when you encroach upon others with it. When you do, you will get a negative response every time.
I must have spoken to 40 of your people about staying off the road and the parking lot when they were muddy and every last one told me it wasn't their fault, they weren't responsible, and this is the desert so I have no authority. I promise that if you folks come out next year, things will be different.
Unless things change, I will hire professional security to keep all of your participants completely away from Salvation Mountain. I have already spoken to the Sheriff's Department about this and they said it was a good idea. We wish to always keep the Mountain open and available to all who come, but we will not accept the kind of utter disrespect we received from your group again without consequences.
I know this is all very negative, but so was our experience. I didn't even mention how the Hot Springs was trashed every night you were here and how residents were left to clean up after you because nobody likes to take their morning bath with other peoples underwear, beer cans and wine bottles all over the place. Of course, that was only on the rare occasions that we were able to enjoy the springs without 20 people screaming and yelling like fools the whole time. Nor have I mentioned how upset our animals were during the illegal fireworks and bombs, or whatever the hell that was, you were setting off.
I don't know, maybe it's too soon for me to write calmly about this. We're all still pretty pissed about the whole thing. In fact, I think I have to leave the discussion of this up to you folks to have without much from me. All I want at this moment is for your group to never return. Leonard feels the same way. If you must come here, then find another location, far from Salvation Mountain. Many of the people attending your event are simply not mature enough to handle the message and atmosphere of the place. There are 640 acres available. You don't have to camp here and ruin things for residents as well as the many tourists who come to see the Mountain without a bunch of grungy, drunk kids sitting on top yelling, climbing all over delicate areas, and invading any possibility of personal reflection.
Ok, that's enough. My blood pressure is up just thinking about all this. I apologise for the tone, but I think you need to understand the impact your event had on me since I was asked.
I really do appreciate your following up with me and I hope you are able to figure something out so we don't have to waste money and energy protecting the Mountain from your event next year. It would be so much nicer if people could just try a little common courtesy instead."


I'll be offline for the weekend and won't be responding to replies. Just take the words respectfully for what they are.



jetfuel
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02.25.11 - 2:32 pm

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I'm the type of guy that falls in love and can't let go, can't take a hint, won't give up, even when it's crumbling all around me. It's never really worked out too well. One of the lessons I'm really trying to learn is when to let things go.



lackflag
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.25.11 - 2:32 pm

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paul b just bought some land in the desert closer than SS. totally secluded, do what you want, permanent bar, ect.



larsenf
02.25.11 - 2:32 pm

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how can I not be defensive? This is my crew that is getting blamed for shit that may or may not have been done on our behalf... you know me. I get involved and here I am being prevented from getting involved in helping heal the reputation of shit that I have been involved in since the beginning.

I dont doubt you've been communicating, but sometimes I wonder who is being blamed for all that went wrong? the last thing I want to see is a particular group be blamed for all the ills to save the rep of another group. WE ARE ALL ONE GROUP like it or not, when we are out there. that was the first thing that bothered me this time around when I arrived. it was like "over there are all the dubstep ravers and over here are all the cool people" sort of thing... someone basically walked up and said that to me as I drove up, I have to admit I was put off by that. I believe we are all as one. not west sidazz and east sidazz.... when we are in the desert we are Midnight Ridazz. the one and only. sure there are clicks and there should be groups of friends... but they shouldnt be pitted against each other. we should be sharing our information and communicating as much as possible.



Roadblock
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02.25.11 - 2:33 pm

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I had a great time and I think this all comes down to respect.

I am a military brat and was raised to respect everything.
The golden rule.

This was my first SS.
Maybe the music should be capped at 3:00AM
Maybe no under-agers.
Maybe no flame throwers.
Maybe no huge fires.
Maybe more regulation on where to camp and how to camp.
If you bring it, take it.

With all these things again simply holding respect for everything around you and thinking about their situation in the scheme of things.

I for one picked up more trash at our specific camping area than I made, there is plenty of extra around. I also fed everyone with beer and food that came near our tents and vehicles.





parlorbikes
02.25.11 - 2:33 pm

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you just described my life in general. did you mean to do that?



Roadblock
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02.25.11 - 2:34 pm

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when the fuck did i ever say i was any different than you,. yeah I know you resent me for having a subgroup name but theres nothing i can do about it. stepping away.





Joe Borfo
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02.25.11 - 2:39 pm

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Some of that - not all of that - but some of that we have been emphasizing from the first year of Salton Sea, and rather than get better, it gets worse each year.

This thing has grown to the point where it either requires actual, official rules, which I want nothing to do with, or it needs to move on.

So basically, it needs to move on.



Ms. Stephanie
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02.25.11 - 2:42 pm

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I was going to write a big old thing but I'll keep it simple.

Do SS5 in the same spot with the same spot. If you do, at best expect searches of cars and personal belongings, expect tickets and arrests for every minor thing the Sheriffs can think of, and end up feeling harassed and on edge all weekend. At worst expect a bunch of the locals who hate us to come down with shotguns and scare the fuck out of you. Around SS2 time there was a ton of violence amongst the locals, don't think they wouldn't be happy to direct that violence towards us.

Do SS5 further away and when passing by Salvation Mountain give Leonard the utmost respect. When he asks you to do something, do it politely! Same if someone in the slabs asks. Then there's a chance Ridazz SS trips will continue to be fun.

Maybe I'm missing something but it seems like common sense to me.

Yeah, there's a reason people buy land out where there are no neighbors, and there's a reason groups like Gigsiville no longer do events near other people.




toweliesbong
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02.25.11 - 2:43 pm

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THANK YOU.


Now. Everyone read this and understand.



Roadblock
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02.25.11 - 2:44 pm

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"Maybe the music should be capped at 3:00AM
Maybe no under-agers.
Maybe no flame throwers.
Maybe no huge fires.
Maybe more regulation on where to camp and how to camp. "

None of that would be necessary as long as we camped further away from Salvation Mtn and Slab City.



toweliesbong
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02.25.11 - 2:47 pm

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"All I want at this moment is for your group to never return. Leonard feels the same way. If you must come here, then find another location, far from Salvation Mountain. Many of the people attending your event are simply not mature enough to handle the message and atmosphere of the place. There are 640 acres available. You don't have to camp here and ruin things for residents as well as the many tourists who come to see the Mountain without a bunch of grungy, drunk kids sitting on top yelling, climbing all over delicate areas, and invading any possibility of personal reflection."



Ms. Stephanie
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02.25.11 - 2:47 pm

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there is not the least bit of resentment towards your group from me.... like I said, I love Trenway and going on trenway trips. I carry trenway stickers on my bike and a trenway patch on my vest. I resent not being in the loop for a far larger group that I'm a part of and caretaker of... that is all. Now that I've read the email, I see that it matches a lot of the gripes I personally outlined earlier.... bombs in the fire and trash at the hot springs and the megaphones and the noise.... we are all responsible adults. It wasnt that hard to bring the message to everyone and I will be that everyone seeing this message can now understand. Thankyou for sharing this once again Jet Fuel. It was important for people to know.




Roadblock
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02.25.11 - 2:51 pm

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PS @jetfuel

did you get my message on facebook? I appreciate what you said, but it wasnt necessary. for some reason I cant find your name using my account otherwise I would add you. can you do me a favor and ad me? same name you found me under.



Roadblock
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02.25.11 - 3:03 pm

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There is nothing to fucking “fix” after taking a shit on it… what can be expected of people who can’t even dump in a fucking toilet?

They don’t want us back. Move on. This is what they want. If you TRULY want to respect them, do it by not going back.


THE END




Kakihara
02.25.11 - 3:04 pm

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"Do SS5 in the same spot with the same spot."

That should read:

Do SS5 in the same spot with the same attitude.




toweliesbong
02.25.11 - 3:04 pm

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I'm 'Jet Fuel' on facefuck. I'm not on more than seeing stuff come through the phone from it now and then. ...and I didn't see a message from you come through, so...

Best is to write me directly. jet [at] pistonsandrods daught calm.



jetfuel
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02.25.11 - 3:13 pm

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You guys are worse than all the tourist who saw into the wild and wanted a authentic Slab City experience......

Now you are on par with the douche Sean Penn!!!!





sack or crack you choose
02.25.11 - 3:27 pm

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"bombs in the fire and trash at the hot springs and the megaphones and the noise"

It's all that, and it's so much more.

It's all the people that ignored his requests and did the opposite of what he asked, to his face. Why would you do that? If someone says, hey this is my camp please don't fucking piss here, why would you sit there and look that person in the face while you proceed to piss?

It was the shit in front of the Range before the fashion show started - it doesn't take a genius to see why the locals might be a little irritated by us taking control of their show (Dak actually spoke to Builder Bill about it as it was happening to smooth that over a little bit).

Eh, I think Kakihara summed it up best. Please see her post.



Ms. Stephanie
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02.25.11 - 3:39 pm

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Maybe a good start would be to raise another $5.oo from everyone who went and reimburse Leonard for his motel stay.



buckchin
02.25.11 - 3:42 pm

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not to be that guy, but... if we went there to repent and suck god's dick, would things be different? i can understand how the noise, music, explosions, and trash at the hotsprings pissed off the locals. but riding our bikes next to salvation mountain? all the other things mentioned, i tend to not really believe... maybe i just have hope that many in our group are mature and respectful enough to not do that shit. people sped through the salvation mountain parking lot as fast as possible? give me a fucking break. sounds more like locals making shit up just because they think we're weird and don't agree with the lifestyle some people in our group lead. if people fucked with salvation mountain, that's fucked up.



coldcut
02.25.11 - 4:00 pm

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"Maybe no under-agers."

im sorry, but i dont see how we (the "under-agers") were any more responsible than anyone else. if anything we were more respectful because we weren't nearly as shitfaced as many others. try to see this statement as ageist in nature and that it is wrong.



gus
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02.25.11 - 4:01 pm

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like Burning Man outgrowing Baker Beach, our Salton Sea trip has outgrown Slab City.

whats done is done and no matter how many times we apologize, I truly don't think we will be able to have the same event in the same spot "with the same attitude."

I want propane tanks exploding every hour of every night. I want to be able to play witch house as loud as fucking possible and have flame cannons shoot out when the bass hits. I want to hear my friends scream out on a dozen megaphones into the star filled night. I want Leonard's mountain to be left as beautiful as it is now for years to come - all these things cant happen if we continue to camp at hitch hiker camp.

again, its time to move on; new spot, new rulez.

this trip has the potential to be something so much better than what it has become - and in order to achieve that we need to responsibly plan for the next stage of this monstrosity.

instead of arguing with each other we should be figuring out ways to make next year's trip more sustainable, beneficial and unobtrusive to the locals.

and if you are or know one of the people who disrespected salvation mountain in any way, than you better make sure you bring buckets of paint to donate next year, or better yet, go out there and help him fix the rain damage.




newarkhouse
02.25.11 - 4:03 pm

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not because it's a religious "monument" but because it is art. a man's lifelong work of art. nothing more.





coldcut
02.25.11 - 4:06 pm

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"if we went there to repent and suck god's dick, would things be different?"

Well for one thing you would have a mouth full of jesus cum.



sack or crack you choose
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02.25.11 - 4:06 pm

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so wait, was that Leonard who put the hay bales out or was it someone else? anyway....

I was thinking it would help if we took some of the $5 fund to buy the homedepot scrap bucket paint and give the gift to Leonard next year.

Very CLEARLY mark a map and route to a location further south and away from Salvation Mountain.... and just not hype this thing as much next year.

Charlie's email is painful but he still seems open to us if we can bounce back and show respect. and for fucks sakes we have to clean up the hot springs when we go. that was just aweful.



Roadblock
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02.25.11 - 4:07 pm

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It actually wasn't from Charlie - he won't have anything to do with MR after last year.

I'm sticking with my original opinion, which is it's time to move on.

Newark said it very well.

Leave the Slabs.



Ms. Stephanie
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02.25.11 - 4:14 pm

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wow, there's a lot of disappointment and frustration here. Understandably so. I know all weekend I kept looking around camp and seeing the dirtiest campsite I've ever been to. I have to say those semi-locals that made themselves at our camp certainly did maximum damage...and honestly I think we took some of the rap for them...I imagine they'll be booted from Slab City soon enough.

Even so, there were a number of things we did that were in no way un-intrusive or low-impact. I hate seeing the animosity between ridazz though, especially the ones who care.

So what I'd like to say is that if you were there this weekend and you did something shitty or stupid - trash the hot springs, stand at the top of a mountain with a megaphone at sunrise, etc. - learn to respect the space and people around you. Learn from the very sad fact that collectively these actions have gotten us kicked out of this wonderful part of THE FUCKING DESERT. Yeah, we got kicked out of the desert. Yeah, we fucked up. Even as part of the group, I was a little overwhelmed this weekend by the mess, the excessive explosions, the endless dance music. It's not about rules, it's about common sense. And it's not burning man, it's SLAB CITY. It's pretty much free for us to be there so it would have been nice if everyone who came at least paid their part in respect and gratitude. I promise it doesn't take away from the fun.

It's too late for us to undo what happened this weekend. I hope that those of you who have not engaged in the conversation above (who have demonstrated their concern and consideration) will take a lesson from this event and learn to set reasonable boundaries for yourselves before some one else has to.

I loved being out there and i loved being with everyone, because in a city as big as L.A., i never get to see any of you as often as i'd like. and damn, what a beautiful group. But there were a lot of things I didn't love.

I hope that NO ONE will pretend to be innocent, for there was plenty of opportunity to reign in a lot of the bad behavior before the weekend was over. I had conversations with a few people over the weekend about their destruction and disrespect. I stayed away from the bar because there were too many people with the wrong ideas in their head - focused on their personal party time and not the whole group. I still had an amazing time and wandered far enough from camp to find grace and solitude in the empty expanse of desert.

I'd like to say thank you to Tren Way for initiating this trip 4 yrs ago and introducing us all to the area and experience. Now let's go get better at being a CREATIVE, COLLABORATIVE COMMUNITY instead of a destructive or divisive one. (everywhere, not just in the damn desert.)



kryxtanicole
02.25.11 - 4:16 pm

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I was near Kevin when he was talking with some people and he said that they don't need any more paint. But if you bought paint specifically for them that it had to be water based. He said that Leonard is getting old and doesn't have much longer so he can't get through the paint he's amassed.

Maybe people can volunteer to help build the place up more?



neverclever
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02.25.11 - 4:26 pm

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whats done is done and no matter how many times we apologize, I truly don't think we will be able to have the same event in the same spot "with the same attitude."

Its not about apologizing because we want to come back. It's about apologizing because that is the right thing to do.



lackflag
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02.25.11 - 4:30 pm

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maybe our next campsite should be a landfill or a dump. at least it's normal to trash those places.



Roadblock
02.25.11 - 4:37 pm

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"Maybe people can volunteer to help build the place up more?" -neverclever

Now that would be a worth while activity for us to do. I don't care how many times sexy gives us crap about it. We'd all have to wake up at the crack of dawn and follow Leonard's instructions. We could get a lot done for him if we all cooperated responsibly. This is all here-say and we'll never know for sure if we'll follow through.



Joe Borfo
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02.25.11 - 4:41 pm

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that would be a pretty amazing way to make good on our bad.



Roadblock
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02.25.11 - 4:45 pm

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give me a fucking break. sounds more like locals making shit up just because they think we're weird and don't agree with the lifestyle some people in our group lead.

The human capacity for denial never ceases to astound.




PC
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02.25.11 - 4:51 pm

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maybe our next campsite should be a landfill or a dump. at least it's normal to trash those places.

If you actually do that, I'll take back the LaBonge comment.




PC
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02.25.11 - 4:57 pm

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this is awesome!!!!!!

the rockers are not going to SS5!!!!

i am going fur sur!!!!

were do i pay?????



fixie4life
02.25.11 - 5:02 pm

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I propose we return with a small group, maybe a dozen or 20 - nothing overwhelming. Sooner than later, because it gets HOT AS FUCK in the desert. And we'd be there with no sound system, a modest fire, and the whole purpose is to do COMMUNITY SERVICE at Slab City, which means helping at the mountain, cleaning the slabs (picking up trash.) Donating tangible goods like water, gas, firewood and cash.

This is how I feel; we fucked up as a group (we, Ridazz), and we burnt bridges. We might never be completely welcome, but I love that place. The best we can do is rebuild those bridges, even if we never get to use them. No loud sound-systems, no giant bonfires, no explosives and no fireworks - done, never again.

We can still camp, enjoy the place, drink beer, and go on bike rides. Like we used to.



the reverend dak
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02.25.11 - 5:10 pm

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I'm in for that. Perhaps while we are there we can scout a better location farther away where we can still play music and have some F.U.N. without disturbing the peace of slab city....



Roadblock
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02.25.11 - 5:18 pm

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Deposits will be placed in this guys mouf.







Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by fixie4life
02.25.11 - 5:19 pm

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oh yeah

n NO NARCS at SS5!!!!!!

got that joe????



fixie4life
02.25.11 - 5:25 pm

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no, but could you post it another 150,047 more times on this forum? It's hilarious every single time!



Joe Borfo
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02.25.11 - 5:27 pm

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i didn't deny there are assholes among us who do stupid shit. i merely assumed that they (the locals who hate us) may or may not have blown things out of proportion because they don't agree with our "hedonism" and "bike orgies". repent! john 3:16 or whatever.



coldcut
responding to a comment by PC
02.25.11 - 5:28 pm

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eh. fuck salton sea.

where's my mexico trip?

ANDRES!!!!!!!?



Ms. Stephanie
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02.25.11 - 5:29 pm

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If the demand to go is high, we can have multiple weekends. I just don't want to overwhelm them with 200 raging drunks like last weekend.

Which is why I'm thinking less than 20 ridazz at a time.

I'll head up a group as soon as possible.

But any small group should go whenever they can.



the reverend dak
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02.25.11 - 5:31 pm

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well, we're gonna get that any where we go. Don't forget why the pilgrims came to america in the first place, it wasn't the turkey.



the reverend dak
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02.25.11 - 5:32 pm

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please come upon my body...



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by coldcut
02.25.11 - 5:38 pm

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i will qeit when every one knos ur a NARC!!!!



fixie4life
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02.25.11 - 5:47 pm

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It's sad that people can't respect other's people personal space, whether it's a mountain full of paint, or some hot springs out in the middle of nowhere. I sometimes wonder if people live like this at home, and sadly, I've been to a few places here and there and will say that it does ring true. I don't know maybe it's because I'm quite the germaphobe and ocd ridden... but I love keeping my shit clean and at a minimum, anyone who's ever been in my room can attest to that. I'm not too fond of all the blaming and deflection I've been reading but it's natural when something of this magnitude, regarding a place that's "holy" to us in some way or other, happens and it's out of our control.

My only concerns for the weekend were all the LED lights sprinkled on the ridge next to camp (which was very aesthetically pleasing, don't get me wrong) and the insane amount of spray cans I seen laying around.

I'm glad the locals spoke up because otherwise all we'd do would be find a new place and trash that place to oblivion as well, with a few dedicated few trying to make amends.

No one is without blame, not even myself. I could have done more than I did and I realize that. I love Midnight Ridazz... and I know we can learn and evolve from this.



July
02.25.11 - 5:58 pm

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"If the demand to go is high, we can have multiple weekends. I just don't want to overwhelm them with 200 raging drunks like last weekend.

Which is why I'm thinking less than 20 ridazz at a time.

I'll head up a group as soon as possible.

But any small group should go whenever they can."


As much as ridazz claim to be inclusive I sense a lot of exclusivity. I don't like this idea. But if people just want to keep on hanging with their friends, then go for it.



July
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02.25.11 - 6:00 pm

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I would venture to guess that tren way is no more or less exvlusive than other subgroups of the ridazz community, they're just up front about the fact that they are, so its easier to point fingers.



lackflag
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02.25.11 - 6:12 pm

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I'm talking about groups of people going up to do Slab City Community Service. I intend on going up, alone if I have to. But i'm sure there will be others willing to join me. I'm not talking about a party trip. This would be a straight-up go up, do work, help build, dig, pick-up trash, etc. There will be nothing F.U.N. about it, but I'd feel better about myself.



the reverend dak
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02.25.11 - 6:13 pm

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That would be awesome! I'd be willing to go and try to make amends.



July
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02.25.11 - 6:17 pm

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I totally misread what he was alluding to.



July
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02.25.11 - 6:18 pm

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This, or another, thread is where I'll post the dates of the trip I plan to make. Not sure how, or when, but I'll let people know here ASAP. Probably make a weekend of it. (Friday/Saturday) I hope others do so on their own.

uh, on another note, I think the SSARS4 sickness is getting me, I feel like shit...



the reverend dak
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02.25.11 - 6:23 pm

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I hear ya on that SSARS4! It got the best of my last night. Been in bed all day today and would stay there if I weren't heading to Vegas in a few hours.



July
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02.25.11 - 6:27 pm

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The truth is that we ruffled their feathers. The best thing to do is to just put yourself in their shoes and imagine how it would feel to you if a large group of people who were doing things that didn't seem respectful. to you I have hope that we can win their favor again by making amends. I am willing to participate in that regards. But, I still stand by that if we plan another Ridazz Trip next year, that we take more consideration into our actions and how we all represent the same group and that we possibly find another location that won't impact others so negatively. I had a good time. I noticed how the large numbers might allow things to get out of hand. I feel I could have made a better effort to prevent this. Let this be a learning experience for all. On a higher note, I do feel that we honored Tomatoes memory out there. There were a lot of good rides and events. Let's acknowledge our actions as a whole and try to prevent things from falling towards disrespect and carelessness next time around. I care about this community and I hope that we continue to do trips and adventures to experience and express our bike cultures and more.



Joe Borfo
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02.25.11 - 6:28 pm

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What separates Ridazz from other groups is that when we fuck up, we make amends because it's the right thing to do. What a statement it would make if we came back out and put in work for the slab city community. I'm 100% down for this.



Roadblock
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02.25.11 - 6:46 pm

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As much as ridazz claim to be inclusive I sense a lot of exclusivity. I don't like this idea. But if people just want to keep on hanging with their friends, then go for it.

Some people richly deserve to be excluded. If they had been excluded from this trip, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now. I don't think MR's famous "inclusivity" was ever supposed to mean anything more than refusing to exclude people for fucked up reasons like race, religion, age, gender, sexual orientation etc. But godDAMN, some people have interpreted that word in a mindlessly literal way over the years...



PC
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02.25.11 - 7:14 pm

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Fuck, I have the SSSARS too. Badlee.



PC
02.25.11 - 7:15 pm

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Well said...



jeffwr3
responding to a comment by PC
02.25.11 - 7:17 pm

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word.



coldcut
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02.25.11 - 7:19 pm

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This is really saddening.
I had a wonderful time this year. Maybe it was because I haven't seen anyone in so long it felt really nice to reconnect, maybe because I slept well for two days.
Either way, Salton Sea has always been really magical.

It's really meant to be taken differently. Salton Sea is kind of like a retreat. Although you can have two "free" spaces, it doesn't mean either should be approached the same way. Take BM for example. You are encouraged to do all the crazy shit you like. In Slab City, I think they take solace in the solitude and peace they have. SS2 was great for meditating.

It sucks to get home and read all of this. I knew we were walking on eggshells, but I didn't know it had gotten that bad.

I'm down to put in some labor with Leonard if he accepts our offer. I don't really have means to donate, but I have the time for labor and I hope that's better than nothing. Time to really "pay our dues."



imachynna
02.25.11 - 8:41 pm

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My other favorite part of the trip was really paying tribute to Tomatoes. Thank you everyone who allowed us to do that, whether it was in the form of art, fire, books, etc.

Thank you everyone for the good times (and the bad.)



imachynna
02.25.11 - 8:46 pm

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@reverend dak

I would like to be on of the first to sign up to go back and help. Reading that email brought tears to my eyes.. That mountain has been my inspiration for a year and to think of it being disrespected like that makes me sad. I would like to do anything I can to help out. My email is in my info, im free every weekend and if im not ill cancel whatever else i have planned.

Also:

Its not about apologizing because we want to come back. It's about apologizing because that is the right thing to do.
- Lackflag


Yes yes yes a million times yes.
x



bwillowz
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02.25.11 - 8:55 pm

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I'm sorry PC. When I first learned the word inclusive I didn't realize there were footnotes attached to it. I had nothing but the literal sense to guide me. Gonna have to modify it I guess.

And though I understand that all it takes is one shit head to ruin the parade, I read a couple of the concerns the local wrote about and, well, one in particular kinda lead back to a specific group. Let me clarify by asking, where did the whole Megaphone idea come about? Can you remind me? Who started that? Well, now kids have run with the idea, live with it.

Also, and I'm pretty sure you read the entire thread, you noticed that I misread Dak's message so there really was no need for you to even address this unless you felt I was taking a direct jab at you guys. It's not like I've ever felt excluded from anywhere or by anyone for that matter, and the day that happens, well shit... I guess I'ma start my own godDAMN bike gang.



July
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02.25.11 - 9:22 pm

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It's all our responsibility. Which is why if you guys get an expedition going out there I'd be more than willing to go out and help. I actually met quite a few locals, including pastor Morgan and the guy that we gave our trash to, and they were pretty awesome people. They weren't some of the ones that had issues with us.



July
02.25.11 - 9:28 pm

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PS. The ones always fucking up never come on these threads to alleviate or fix things or even to just open a line of communication as to how we can make this community that much better. They never have and they never will. It's only those who love this shit... who see this as family... who believe in this, that come on here, battle one another, and try to come up with solution after solution for their messes, which in turn become ours. We're obviously not reaching everyone.



July
02.25.11 - 9:42 pm

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"If they had been excluded from this trip, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now."


oh yeah? like who? the people using megaphones? the people who built the giant bonfire? the people blasting canisters and fireworks? or just the people blasting dubstep music? or the people blasting george michael? the people who got their cars stuck in the mud?

those were all complaints outlined in the email above.... and that's why I wanted to read the entire email and not just select excerpts of it.... it was coming off as though only *some people were at fault while others were not to blame.

what I'm getting at, is that it's annoying to have people come on here and complain about other people fucking things up when it was the whole damn lot of us and our friends who were causing the ruckus as a whole group.

we shouldnt be coming down on each other chirping about other people who should be excluded... No individual from our group really did anything terribly wrong. it was that there were 100 individuals being rowdy and doing little things that add up to a lot of ruckus and we'll just have to learn to tone it down.





Roadblock
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02.26.11 - 1:45 am

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Judging by JonnyBoys wonderful photos, it's now clear that the majority of MR has been infiltrated by a bunch of fuckin' clowns.

Seltzer bottles and face-paint everyone!!!!
We're gonna ride this three-ring circus sideshow silly!!!!!

doo doo doo doo doo doo doo... or however the fuck that circus song goes.



bentstrider
02.26.11 - 2:27 am

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I'm the status quo.



Joe Borfo
02.26.11 - 10:48 am

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More like Flatus Whoa!!!!!



bentstrider
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.26.11 - 11:59 am

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"it was coming off as though only *some people were at fault while others were not to blame."

Neither Dak nor I, who were the first two to discuss this, ever said ANYTHING to make it sound like that. Not one single thing. As a matter of fact, we took responsibility, and both said we felt terrible. Go back and read how the conversation started, and don't misrepresent us.



Ms. Stephanie
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02.26.11 - 12:14 pm

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(Obviously, @bents, that was for Roadblock.)



Ms. Stephanie
02.26.11 - 12:15 pm

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So am I



lackflag
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02.26.11 - 12:31 pm

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"It's funny because i'm finding it really hard to be pissed off at anyone, because i"m pretty much still glowing from the trip. It was awesome. But as it is, things will need to change if we're to do this again. Which sucks. It means rules, and no one likes rules. But if you can't apply SIMPLE FUCKING COMMON SENSE, it means you need rules. If you need rules STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME."



@Steph, when you guys become the gatekeepers of communications about the entire group from the locals and then make statements like the above it can percieved as an us vs. them situation... this statement was coming off to me as "I Dak, exercised common sense, while all you other people needed rules." as though anyone has the unique right to be pissed at everyone else while ignoring their own contributions to the grief.... megaphones, bonfire canister explosions, fireworks, loud music.... all of these grievances were detailed in the complete email and all were perpetrated by pretty much everyone including Tren Way. so maybe we ALL need rules... juss sayin'

fuck it. none of this is going to ruin my memory of the best salton sea trip yet and I love everyone here. I want to be part of the community service trip and make amends. please include me on the details and please don't do it the weekend of March 20th.

I have battery powered tools I can bring, skil saw, sawzz all drills screws, etc and mad carpentry skills. I'm down to help build new chairs for your bar too.





Roadblock
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02.26.11 - 1:32 pm

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oh yeah? Like who?

Like the assholes who vandalized Salvation Mountain and/or used it as a campsite. Like the idiots who pissed on people's campsites. Like every feckless waste of oxygen who left garbage all over the hot springs and Hitchhiker's Camp despite having plenty of opportunities to read up on the self-reliance and respect for the area that Ridazz camp supposedly embraces. Like every self-entitled brat who thinks the Slabs are a 7-11 parking lot. Like whoever gave me the SARS...OK, strike that last one.

Next year let's camp somewhere a lot harder to get to. That should at least screen out some of the fucks who think their mommy is going to come clean up for them on Tuesday morning. And if people want to act like obnoxious assholes, they'll at least have to do it to one another directly instead of using retardo train kids as a proxy.



PC
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02.26.11 - 2:19 pm

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@Steph, when you guys become the gatekeepers of communications about the entire group from the locals

They reached out, you didn't. Get over it



PC
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02.26.11 - 2:22 pm

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I'm over it. but yeah, ummmmmmmmmmmmm I did pretty clearly ask for an email address, offer mine to be passed along or the forum location of where to get in touch.... I guess I'll just have to reach out when I go out there to do community service.....



Roadblock
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02.26.11 - 2:29 pm

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Look, mr. politician. You have taken that out of context, because that was in reference to the whole disrespecting me, and burning my stuff.

Not once did I not say I will not, have not, taken responsibility for the shit that I did. Not once. But I did POINT FINGERS and express my anger at people that FUKCD UP MY SHIT. MY shit. I complained at people leaving their trash in my bar. I complained, and barely at that, that I created 1 small bag of trash, but I somehow had to pick up and pack SIX TRASH BAGS FULL OF TRASH. The only reason that you're upset at ME is because I called you out when it came to firewood, which we both disagree and see differently - so I think you're still caught up in that - which is fine. I'll get over it, so will you.

All I can hope is that you'll be going to the Slabs with me, when we go back and try make amends and do a bit of SERVICE to their COMMUNITY. I'm thinking a month or two.

I'm using this as an opportunity to reevaluate the bar, its needs and where we go with it. If I need help, I'll definitely make a shout out. It'll likely just be a decorating party, and it'll probably be when we ramp up for Burning Man.





the reverend dak
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02.26.11 - 2:31 pm

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"All I can hope is that you'll be going to the Slabs with me, when we go back and try make amends and do a bit of SERVICE to their COMMUNITY. I'm thinking a month or two. "



I will. That's a promise. Like I said I got tools and a want to make things right with the locals, just give me a heads up, don't make it the weekend of March the 20th and I'm in barring some unforeseen obligation.







Roadblock
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02.26.11 - 2:38 pm

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after reading about everything that has happened, I think you guys should make an alternative to Salton Sea. pffftt BWHAHAHAHAHAHA



palucha66
02.26.11 - 2:43 pm

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L mOthafuckin' L



lackflag
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02.26.11 - 2:59 pm

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Shut up palucha, you're out of your element.



the reverend dak
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02.26.11 - 3:03 pm

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Hey dont get mad at me cause im trying to lead the community in a postive direction. COMON NEXT YEAR ALTERNATIVE TO SALTON SEA!!!!



palucha66
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
02.26.11 - 4:44 pm

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you gonna invite the cops out too?


HAHA



Roadblock
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02.26.11 - 5:45 pm

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It should not be hard to find a new location farther away from salvation mountain and still close to hot springs where megaphone cacophony orchestras can be fully realized without being a local nuisance.



jonnyboy
02.26.11 - 6:01 pm

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"still close to hot springs"

The monopolization/abuse of the hot springs was a big part of the problem, though. I just think that no matter what kind of good intentions people take with them, those issues will still exist. Dry lake bed fun 2012!



Ms. Stephanie
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02.26.11 - 6:13 pm

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ahhh thats the thing... the dry lake bed has no water does it?.... that's what's so awesome about salton sea.... wah turrrrr...............



Roadblock
responding to a comment by Ms. Stephanie
02.26.11 - 6:16 pm

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Dont worry next year Krumer and the guys will be there. Also expect police escorts along with corking and ticketing.



palucha66
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.26.11 - 6:25 pm

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Hi, I wasn't mad. I was laughing. At you.



the reverend dak
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02.26.11 - 6:29 pm

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The closer you get to the hot springs, the closer you get to Niland, which is an actual city. Look at google maps, there are lots of areas out there, just not easily accessible by skinny tires or low cars. Face it, the only way we can camp at the Slabs again is if we're respectable to our surroundings, period. Which means nothing loud; no bombs, no sound systems, no megaphones, no vuvuzelas and no Jeffs. It also means we'll have to create clean up crews to police any place we go, because we can't seem to get a handle on litter - even at home.

Accessibility to water, stores, restaurants and bars is absolutely one of the benefits of staying at the Slabs.

But personally I love the Range, the Library and Charlie's Art Garden. Moth is rad, and Bombay Beach is rad - all things a bike ride away. For me it would be worth it if it means eliminating all the "crazy" shit (we all know I love my fire and explosions...)

But that's just me.








the reverend dak
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.26.11 - 6:48 pm

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i'd like to apologize for being so mean earlier. i know the locals have valid gripes, but in the heat of the moment i was angered by how they perceived our entire group. plus religion always pisses me off. anyway, i'm sorry. i'd love to come help rebuild bridges whenever you guys go.

if we ever go back there to camp as an entire group i'm all for no loud music, explosions, trashing the hot springs, etc. personally, i just enjoy seeing friends i haven't seen for a while and camping.



coldcut
02.26.11 - 7:22 pm

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also...

"you're palucha?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"



coldcut
02.26.11 - 7:23 pm

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Gotcha.
I'm guessing not showing up in the company rig with Moapa Valley fireworks was a good thing then.




bentstrider
responding to a comment by Ms. Stephanie
02.26.11 - 10:22 pm

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yeah we gotta make it a rule to do the hot springs at like 3am or something.... we just invaded the spot with people there. we didnt wait our turn and there was like 40 of us. Its all bad. and then left fucking trash! wow. we gotta change that big time or you are right.... not go back.





Roadblock
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02.26.11 - 10:23 pm

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Hi,

I was responsible for placing those LED's on the ridge, and I took responsibility for them by collecting as many as I could find on Sunday night. As far as MOOP goes, they came with us, and left with us.

Peace



luckypierre
responding to a comment by July
02.26.11 - 11:40 pm

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New twbg bar?

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/ant/zip/2229149907.html



mossygoodness
02.27.11 - 12:18 am

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they looked awesome and it was equally as awesome that you took them back with you.





Roadblock
responding to a comment by luckypierre
02.27.11 - 2:01 am

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Let's call the event something other than Salton Sea V. What do you think about something Salvation Mtn themed?



spiraldemon
02.27.11 - 3:41 am

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How about Jesus is Cumming V the re-load.



Roadblock
responding to a comment by spiraldemon
02.27.11 - 9:48 am

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Personally I do not think limiting the experience by banning soundsystems, bonfires and fireworks is the right way to go. I might as well apply for a job at fucking Border Patrol.

Let's try moving out of earshot from Salvation Mountain, that is the real problem here. Let's get on the other side of a hill from residents before we start blaring megaphones and any sort of music.

And maybe when riding past Salvation Mountain we keep the hooting, hollering, music blasting and drunken behavior to a fucking minimum, or NULL. It's a religious place, not a place for partying loudly or being an ass.

Let's find our own mountain that nobody gives a sh!t about. Let's make it our side of the mountain, where we can be as loud as we fucking want without bothering a single soul (except ourselves).

Obviously trash is a big problem, but an easy one come leaving day (PICK SHIT UP). No need to quarrel endlessly about this shit.

Move the location, put a volunteer board to sign up for daily 3am hot springs cleanup, and do what ever we fucking want as long as we are being respectful to locals and ESPECIALLY the folks at Salvation Mountain.



jonnyboy
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
02.27.11 - 12:24 pm

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I will be part of the amends making trip, but my stance is we find a new spot for next year.




Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
02.27.11 - 12:39 pm

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@luckypierre Unfortunately, that's not true. I can't tell you how many of them we picked up from all over the bar and around the bonfire area. I appreciate that you guys picked them up from the hill, but you should not have passed them out afterwards. They were everywhere.



Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by luckypierre
02.27.11 - 2:11 pm

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BUT they were beautiful. All I'm saying is since you are so responsible about them, keep them in your control, because others won't be as responsible.



Ms. Stephanie
02.27.11 - 2:14 pm

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After reading many of these posts, these testimonials seem to match many of the sentiments between rural-desert denizens and urban getaways/transplants as a broader whole.
Many of those who moved out to, or lived in the desert areas all their lives are used to solitude and not having to deal with many of the urban woes they either fear, or got tired of.
When the younger, rambunctious crowd from the larger, urban area come in to make their presence known, patience with the local population will always be riding that thin line.

Anywho, all of your above solutions to keeping the urban-footprint low would go a long way in easing tensions with the local populace and keeping any future resistance from nipping at the collective heels.

I hate to say it, but after seeing what massive urban influx and intervention have turned the Victor Valley and the surrounding desert into, I feel like one of the Slab City locals already.
At least those guys aren't dealing with the housing crisis and the high unemployment that plagues my current living area.




bentstrider
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02.27.11 - 2:38 pm

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Joe Borfo
02.27.11 - 2:46 pm

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I picked up about 100 more LEDs off the hillside during the day Monday. It was pretty easy to find them this year, since they were conveniently wrapped in white postal labels. Hopefully, there aren't too many left.



nathansnider
02.27.11 - 3:26 pm

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Also, hey, PC, do you suppose you could post the crazy route for the Not Bombay Beach Ride? I'm really curious where we ended up riding (or, y'know, walking or whatever).



nathansnider
02.27.11 - 3:32 pm

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We ended up nowhere.






Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by nathansnider
02.27.11 - 3:48 pm

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Sometimes I wish I was better at leaving Internet arguments alone.

Last time I tried to reply to this thread I got a couple pages worth, which, of course, timed out my login session (damn you Roadblock!). Let's try again, with a bit more brevity:

We are all responsible for what happened out there - I certainly had the best of intentions bringing beer, the idea being to cut down on litter...but as it was I just contributed to the drunkenness of the bad apples who fucked shit up for everybody. I stopped serving the braindead assholes (from LA and wherever those train kids came from) saturday afternoon, but plenty of damage was already done.

Watching roadblock and dak argue is just stupid - comon' guise, we're on the same side here. While we may have different ideas about how to proceed, blaming each other for the various problems this year is just silly.

From my perspective, the trip has simply gotten too large. Too many people are working at cross purposes, and the community is too striated to self-police. I know for a fact I was good three or four degrees away from most of the knuckleheads I encountered, which makes it tough to figure out how to reign them in. Some people want to explore the sights slab city has to offer and bask in the solitude of the desert. Others want to rub up on strangers to overly loud dance music.

I think the solution is obvious, and has already been stated here more than once - MR desert ravefest 2012 will take place on BLM land far, far from the slabs, and anyone who wants to visit the salton sea for it's desolate beauty can do so in smaller, more respectful groups, in a less organized fashion.

To my friends, thank you for everything - I had a completely unforgettable and largely positive experience. I'll save more specific thank-you's for facetime. To the assholes, none of whoom will ever read this forum, thanks for turning what I thought was going to be a satisfying act of generosity into a major point of shame and regret.



Lance K
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.27.11 - 7:29 pm

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@Ms. Stephanie

I stand corrected and do apologize for them littering the bar and any other areas. This was the largest deployment of those lights that I had ever attempted, and as such had a hard time keeping track of them all. I definitely lost some control over their final resting place after giving them out. It is something that I will take into consideration when doing large scale deployments like that in the future. Thank you.

Also, thank you for the bar! I didn't drink anything, but had a seriously marvelous time idling there to various repetitive songs.


@nathansnider

Thank you for doing that. I collected as many as I could at night but didn't take into consideration at the time that many of them probably died out in the rain. Rendering them invisible at night :)

Again, lessons for me to take into consideration for future installations.

wishin' the best to you all.

Thanks



luckypierre
responding to a comment by Ms. Stephanie
02.27.11 - 8:47 pm

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I feel like I got bogged down a little in the negativity this thread has (necessarily, and probably appropriately) devolved into. Probably has something to do with the fact that I'm STILL SICK, ARGH! Ahem...

We did throw Tomatoes one hell of a birthday party. Getting to assist dak and frumble knock up the beginning of the effigy (ie, get in their way) after being up for over 24 hours is something I won't soon forget. Mook's installation was nothing short of perfect...I'm having trouble finding more words for it than that. While I missed most of the burn cleaning that bitch's (and my own) blood off of my face, I did take great pleasure watching her dance ever closer to all of the explosives. Pity none of them took mercy on the world and...oh dear! where did this paragraph go? I guess I'm still a little bitter than she got to take part in the festivities after what she did to me...but that's neither here nor there.

Anyhoo, as I was saying, so many good things. Dr. MakesYouSick, the I<3Dubstep guy, was just...magnifico. Matteo is truly a musical maestro. ranger kenny is surely a coffee craftsman of the capstone calibre. Nathan is indubitably a pizza prodigy. Fuzz's metalwork, both combative and memorial, was quite impressive.



Lance K
02.27.11 - 10:09 pm

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I <3 LANCE! Both posts.



BellBeefer
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.27.11 - 10:15 pm

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He obviously didn't hear the rising music cue to wrap up his speech. A well deserved oration nonetheless.





Joe Borfo
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02.27.11 - 10:24 pm

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Oh. Em. Gee. THANK YOU for that picture! If I didn't already have a pretty sweet shot of the Tomatoes sign as my phone desktop, this'd be it...but it's going on the phone nonetheless to show the colleagues - you can't imagine how annoying it's been trying to explain this business to everyone there...especially considering i did away with the 'hawk before my first day of work (the haircut and shiner get inappropriately conflated, as if i was simultaneously beaten and shorn in some sort of jumping-in ritual), and my friend kenny went in before me and told everyone i got beat up by a girl in the desert.

Looks like she actually knows how to hold that thing, at least...can she play it? That'd be another nice redeeming factor to quell the occasional bloodlust that bubbles up from my nether humors.



Lance K
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.27.11 - 10:37 pm

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I just stole that pic from the facebooks. Beware all sinners! - The honey-badger plays epic sax in hades forever.

You're the best, Lance. Thanks for being you.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.27.11 - 10:49 pm

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Well, that's two of my nightmares in one picture. Thanks, Birfa.



BellBeefer
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.27.11 - 11:11 pm

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So other than the somewhat sociopathic ozzie...you mean...the sparkly 'bratz' sticker on the relatively nice sax, right? That definitely gave me chills.



Lance K
responding to a comment by BellBeefer
02.28.11 - 12:06 am

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Bellbeefer believes that the sax is the source of all evil.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.28.11 - 1:20 am

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Making shirts that say, "I survived Salton Sea Virus 2011." If you got down with this horrible fucking sickness, let me know and I'll give you a shirt!



Rosiekins
02.28.11 - 8:23 am

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i'll buy one!



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Rosiekins
02.28.11 - 9:16 am

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Here is the website for SS5
http://lightninginabottle.org/event-info/camping/



marino
02.28.11 - 9:46 am

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Like the not bombay beach ride, I'll know I survived when its over. If I'm still breathing, I'l take one.



lackflag
responding to a comment by Rosiekins
02.28.11 - 11:09 am

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My case of SSARSIV kicked in around Friday, and I woke up at about 5AM this morning hacking about a pint of phlegm - I feel like shit, I miss my bike, I hate this cold.





the reverend dak
responding to a comment by Rosiekins
02.28.11 - 11:36 am

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I think this is possible, but restrictive... i.e. there are places even more secluded at the Slabs, but accessibility is equally limited. Time and Place, i say. Keeping Hitchhiker Camp relatively quite, music at boom-box levels only, while megaphones and Jeff during the day only. And maybe one big party, loud as fuck until 10pm (that's how the Range does it.) with an effort to include the whole Slab City community.

Compromises, mainly. Clean-up crews, and discretion at all times - this should honestly go without saying, and should be standard practice, even at home.

Basically common courtesy that we all should have been applying from the beginning.

Basically loud, fiery, explosive and all-night rager/raver parties can happen anywhere - it just can't happen at any convenient spot in Slab City.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
02.28.11 - 11:50 am

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The only way I'd go to some hippy fest like this is if I went with Bike Scum like Los Angelopes. That would be fun, otherwise it'd be like going to Burning Man without Midnight Ridazz or Gigsville (or Fandango or Voted Best Camp.)



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by marino
02.28.11 - 11:54 am

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My Salton SARS introduced itself Wednesday night (dizzy feeling) and moved in to my sinuses sometime during the night. Not content with my head, it sought larger quarters on Friday, giving me a sore throat on the way to my lungs.

The worst part is that it's definitely Salton SARS - it parties all night and leaves me to hack up and clean up its chewy garbage in the morning.



bobdotorg
02.28.11 - 11:54 am

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"Basically common courtesy that we all should have been applying from the beginning. "

Good luck with that..





sack or crack you choose
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
02.28.11 - 12:31 pm

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Yeah, stand around; see that everything is fucked up and do nothing about it or at least complain about it. That's how you do it.

Sorry, not everyone is apathetic. I rather do BETTER next time, than nothing at all. It's easy to sit home and complain, and it's especially easy to complain after the fact.

Good luck with your pathetic life, troll.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by sack or crack you choose
02.28.11 - 12:42 pm

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What time does this ride start?



parlorbikes
02.28.11 - 1:32 pm

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Dude, dak, you know better than that...if you realize it's a troll, why are you feeding it!?

Where's fixie4life when we need 'em?



Lance K
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
02.28.11 - 1:33 pm

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crazypenis has a posse



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.28.11 - 1:36 pm

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Not to laud it over those of you who are still sick, but I think I'm finally kicking my salton sars...hands-down the worst illness I've ever endured. Missed a whole week of work, and was pretty sure I was going to have to be hospitalized at a couple points...that's definitely some virulent shit, don't take it lightly!



Lance K
02.28.11 - 1:42 pm

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Sometimes I can't help it, plus the only thing I give them is shit.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by Lance K
02.28.11 - 1:58 pm

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I'd like to participate in a trip to make amends for the damage we caused this year. However I don't think making amends should result in us camping there again next year as a large group.

Based on the letter from the residents and simple observation we really were very disrespectful to the people who make slab city their home.


I say we go somewhere else next year and give them a break. It sucks but i would rather miss out on slab city than ruin the perfect little place they built for themselves.





stillline
02.28.11 - 3:52 pm

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I'm of the same opinion. I think for now we can come up with some other interesting locations and later try this once again but with more feeling.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by stillline
02.28.11 - 3:56 pm

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I want a shirt!

If I actually do survive, that is.

Still not sure if that's going to happen.



Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by Rosiekins
02.28.11 - 7:36 pm

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When it gets to the point where people are suggesting cleanup crews to clean up after grown-ass adults who presumably are capable of understanding and practicing self-reliance and respect for the land, it's time to start getting motherfuckin' EXCLUSIVE.



PC
02.28.11 - 7:40 pm

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spiraldemon
responding to a comment by PC
02.28.11 - 11:10 pm

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@Borfo No purchase necessary. More like a trophy shirt for really surviving this. What size shirt are you?

@lackflag I trust in you that you could survive this. But I did start writing my will Saturday night as I was thinking, "Shit, Salton Sea really is going to be the death of me."

@the reverend Yeah, the coughing up whatever that is in my system is one of the worst parts. Especially when my tonsils were swollen and any type of coughing made me gag. My favorite part of this has been going to my dance class then throwing up because I couldn't breath. Talk about graceful...

@Stephanie What size shirt are you??? I have a bedazzler and kind of want to get a bit crazy over here with these.



Rosiekins
03.1.11 - 8:19 am

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XL - Bedazzle me, baby!



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Rosiekins
03.1.11 - 8:21 am

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Yours was going to get bedazzled reguardless. What kind of friend do you take me for??



Rosiekins
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
03.1.11 - 8:58 am

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cough2XLpleasehack...



420LaHaRR
responding to a comment by Rosiekins
03.1.11 - 10:20 am

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wait. that's not the same type of cough...



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by 420LaHaRR
03.1.11 - 10:33 am

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Medium! or Large if they're on the smaller side...

**hack** **puke**



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by Rosiekins
03.1.11 - 11:18 am

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Irregardless, it needs to be done. Like I told the troll, stand idle isn't going to get anything done. Shit needs to be cleaned up, and someone has to take responsibility and step the fuck up. It's something I don't mind doing.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by PC
03.1.11 - 11:20 am

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very funny bunny



420LaHaRR
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
03.1.11 - 11:45 am

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I believe I heard mention of Red Rock Canyon?



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by stillline
03.1.11 - 12:46 pm

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There are millions of places we can go and be our loud and obnoxious selves. Slab City worked because it was convenient, and it was an attempt to accommodate some of those that are reluctant to go camping, especially primitive camping. Accessibility is a big deal. If we were to go back (to Slab City), there simply would have to be rules, conditions and discretion. Not everyone will agree what these would be, and some are going to be real stubborn about it. And frankly some of the rules will be deal breakers. But that's the way it going to be if even consider going back, especially with a large group.





the reverend dak
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03.1.11 - 1:02 pm

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Shit needs to be cleaned up, and someone has to take responsibility and step the fuck up.

Goddamn right, someone has to take responsibility and step the fuck up. That someone is everyone. Everyone is 100% responsible for his or her MOOP. That's the deal. Now, people are human and they forget things or miss things, but as long as everybody understands and accepts the basic idea, the unavoidable mistakes aren't a problem--I pick up your beer can that you plumb forgot about, you pick up the plastic bag that I didn't weigh down enough...

No worries there, but the instant you even consider organizing goddamn cleanup crews, you are conceding the inevitability of our trips being full of spoiled selfish pieces of shit who can't or won't "take responsibility and step the fuck up." And the part I sincerely don't get is, why would you want to keep going on trips with these useless clingons anyway?



PC
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
03.1.11 - 2:54 pm

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@PC

You spelled Klingon wrong




stillline
03.1.11 - 3:31 pm

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"And the part I sincerely don't get is, why would you want to keep going on trips with these useless clingons anyway?"

Ahahahhaa



imachynna
03.1.11 - 3:34 pm

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"And the part I sincerely don't get is, why would you want to keep going on trips with these useless clingons anyway? "

It's better than staying home and never meeting new people.

Believe me, I understand that if there is "an official" clean-up crew, then there will be people that will take advantage of it. But if there isn't one, those same people are going to litter any way. I completely understand that. But this isn't disneyland where someone plays $80 a ticket and there are clean-up crews that run-around and pick up cigarette butts and bits of trash that fall out of peoples pockets when they pull out their wallets to pay for a Goofy button. Shit happens, and it's going to happen no matter how much we bitch, or how secluded and selective we get with friends. That fact of the matter is I choose to be part of this community, and there are assholes and pigs in this community. I will continue to yell and call out litterers when I see them, and I will continue picking other peoples trash because I fucking HATE LITTER.

In no way am I saying my solution is perfect, but it is at-least part of a solution. Saying that people need to pick up their trash isn't going to pick up their trash, telling someone to pick up their trash might work. Assholes will always be assholes, I'm not catering to them. I'm catering and setting an example to others that are capable of learning. Of fucking course some people are hopeless, and those fuckers will know I fucking hate them, and they will know not to go to anything I am part of.

What I sincerely don't get why you bother going outside at all.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by PC
03.1.11 - 5:15 pm

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@Protective Custody

YEAH! Don't you know your own name means? STAY INSIDE!

YOU CUN'T BE HERE!





Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
03.1.11 - 5:23 pm

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Borfo's mad because he wanted to be there when you turned your head to cough.



Rosiekins
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
03.2.11 - 10:39 am

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I'm mad because he took me on his stoopid mud ride when I could have whipped his bootie in the sock wrestling thunderdome.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Rosiekins
03.2.11 - 10:46 am

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mud butt ride?



jonnyboy
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
03.2.11 - 11:15 am

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Nope it was "The Ride ti NOT Bombay Beach/ Fuck Bruce Ride"

Okay, It wasn't a bad ride. I even gave it four stars on my yelp review. Geesh!





Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
03.2.11 - 11:25 am

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Would pay to see you and Lahar sock wrestle...



Rosiekins
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
03.2.11 - 11:57 am

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I bet you would.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Rosiekins
03.2.11 - 12:07 pm

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I came into Salton Sea sick, and I left sicker. And some how I've only progressively managed to stay sicker as the mucus moved from my chest to my head.

I hope the next SS will be somewhere that we don't have to worry about rules and we can hold people accountable for their actions. Or we don't have to because for once everyone will be responsible.





Avner
03.2.11 - 2:39 pm

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You just be happy that Big Happy didn’t show up and take you on a different sort of ride!
Fuck Bruce!




Kakihara
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
03.2.11 - 3:01 pm

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this is easily my favorite MR thread since 2008.



onethirtynine
03.2.11 - 3:51 pm

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Joe Borfo
03.2.11 - 4:04 pm

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the "wub wub wub" just makes me hear dubstep.



Avner
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
03.3.11 - 3:05 pm

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I'm a women's medium, men's small, I guess? i want bedazzles too! I still have condensed soup in my lungs, I deserve it!!

Methinks I will ALWAYS have a bit of the salton sea with me, living and growing and multiplying in my lungs....



Ms. Stephanie
responding to a comment by Rosiekins
03.3.11 - 3:10 pm

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Way too much BLM in the area.



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
03.3.11 - 8:29 pm

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What I sincerely don't get why you bother going outside at all.

Oh, YOU. Give your inner child a big old hug for me, will ya? :)

Believe me, I understand that if there is "an official" clean-up crew, then there will be people that will take advantage of it. But if there isn't one, those same people are going to litter any way.

Not if they don't show up, they're not.

You, me, all the people in this discussion--we are all Ridazz. We are the people who, according to our self-mythology, are overflowing with stamina and creativity and a sense of adventure...and yet we've structured our big yearly field trip in such a way as to ensure that any dullard or candyass can come on down and suck up the good times without any sense that they're supposed to be contributing something in return (other than their potty dues, if they even pay them). You know what we are now? We're fuckin' Universal Citywalk.

Yeah, that's right. I said it. Universal Citywalk. I don't want to be Universal Citywalk. Let's stop being Universal Citywalk, damn it! We have got to take MR's yearly campout to a new place, literally and philosophically. In both senses, this place needs to be in a sort of sweet spot where it inspires creative, fun, self-reliant people to say "I can't miss out on that" and makes dull assholes say "Why the fuck would I want to do THAT?" If we hit it from that angle, and we succeed, I promise you that the last thing we'll have to worry about is organizing crews to clean up after a bunch of self-indulgent brats.

We've got a year to make this happen. Why not make this happen?





PC
responding to a comment by the reverend dak
03.4.11 - 5:56 am

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You spelled Klingon wrong

No sir, I did NOT. I have nothing but respect for members of the Klingon community, who have enriched our culture immeasurably with their spicy food, colorful phrases, expressive clothing, and secretive "social clubs" that I'm sure have nothing to do with organized crime. I was referring to people who serve no purpose and are hard to get rid of, i.e., those who cling on. I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.



PC
responding to a comment by stillline
03.4.11 - 6:02 am

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Okay, It wasn't a bad ride. I even gave it four stars on my yelp review. Geesh!

LOIDH



PC
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
03.4.11 - 6:06 am

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I completely concur with this gentlemen's statement.



Avner
responding to a comment by PC
03.4.11 - 10:30 am

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We want the same things, and maybe my focus is in the wrong places. I'll admit that the whole concept of "clean-up crews" are totally reactionary to a single problem, but it's probably because I see that problem as a larger problem than others do. I'm willing to step away from that "solution", and focus on the roots if I could. But, don't see how we can create something that is both creative and inspiring and at the same time be "inclusive". I like the idea that someone, even if only one person becomes inspired, because something was "more accessible", and after that they'd be more willing to go places that are more "extreme." Salton Sea was definitely a trip that I saw as a stepping stone to even more "challenging" environments. I've seen people change in the short years I've been involved with Midnight Ridazz, and I'd like to see more of that. Salton Sea seemed like it was the right place for this, I still think it is. So that's why I am currently focused on the current problems, at least the problems as I see it.





the reverend dak
responding to a comment by PC
03.4.11 - 11:05 am

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and they're lookin' for YOU



slowrighthand
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
03.4.11 - 1:00 pm

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this place needs to be in a sort of sweet spot where it inspires creative, fun, self-reliant people to say "I can't miss out on that" and makes dull assholes say "Why the fuck would I want to do THAT?"

Man, I had an idea how to possibly accomplish this during my sickness and I forgot it. Then I started writing this intending to just post about my frustration and now I remembered! It might not be as good of an idea as I originally thought. Let's see.

Basically, rather than just sending 5 bucks and a name to paypal, if you want to go to "MR Trip X" you have to submit a phone number, and you have to talk to somebody, and they tell you about stuff like trash and respecting potential neighbors and things like that. Things accomplished by that: 1) Philosophy expressed to all participants 2) Personal connections made.

There are drawbacks, I'm sure, but I'm done thinking for the moment.



lackflag
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03.4.11 - 2:09 pm

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Hope you didn't hurt yourself.
:p

I think a little less lax then "Show up, party" wouldn't hurt anyone.



Avner
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03.4.11 - 3:36 pm

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I challenge you to a Ba'atleth battle.
First person with a severed shirt takes a shot of prune juice from the House of Ma'ag!!!



bentstrider
responding to a comment by PC
03.4.11 - 3:45 pm

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And they sure the fuck found me. TWICE!



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by slowrighthand
03.4.11 - 4:12 pm

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Oh, you will be bedazzled like it's no body's business. Shirts should be done within the next couple of weeks. Just gotta pick up a couple more shirts, more supplies for the screen print and more sparkley stuff!



Rosiekins
responding to a comment by Ms. Stephanie
03.4.11 - 6:07 pm

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hey some1 tole me the rockers wer still in charge wit ss5. wtf????

wo want to party in the rain and and lisen to led zeplin???

let have 2 ss? let the rockers do there thing.

n we do a sic ass dubstep party!!! in the sun!!!

substep is geting big n will be blowin up this summer!!!



fixie4life
03.8.11 - 12:42 am

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I really want to hear the stories of what happens when a group of people try to camp out there during the summer.



Rosiekins
responding to a comment by fixie4life
03.8.11 - 8:03 am

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dehydration



parlorbikes
responding to a comment by fixie4life
03.8.11 - 8:22 am

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Basically, rather than just sending 5 bucks and a name to paypal, if you want to go to "MR Trip X" you have to submit a phone number, and you have to talk to somebody, and they tell you about stuff like trash and respecting potential neighbors and things like that. Things accomplished by that: 1) Philosophy expressed to all participants 2) Personal connections made.

Right. Like this, but moar.

I hear what Dak says about stepping stones, but we've been on the same stone now for four years in a row. Time to hop along. Worrying too much about being "inclusive," and defining the term way too broadly to include being inclusive of fucktards, is what has MR in general stuck on a stone. Hop along, hop along....

I am excited to see what we come up with.




PC
responding to a comment by lackflag
03.9.11 - 3:02 pm

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clean up your thrash



rayrayray
03.9.11 - 3:51 pm

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I like the idea of the phone number. We can set up a google voice account ask every one to make their verbal commitment to clean up after themselves AND clean up any trash you see regardless... and then give a couple sentences of why they love and respect the salton sea and the participants. We could review the messages left on the machine here on the site.. hahah that could get funny.





Roadblock
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03.9.11 - 5:41 pm

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That might work, but what I had in mind was an actual conversation happening. It would de-anonymize things a lot, and also it would be a good opportunity to re-engage these ideas in a new awkward way for people who are already familiar.



lackflag
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03.9.11 - 10:40 pm

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Shirts! Slowly but surely are being made. However, Robert has (without meaning to) brought to my attention that I'm leaving out a big group of people with only making shirts for us sick folk. So, let me know if you DIDN'T get sick so I can make you a "I avoided Salton Sea virus 2011"



Rosiekins
03.12.11 - 11:56 am

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I second this idea.

Here's to our next Ridazz Road Trip!



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by lackflag
03.12.11 - 12:10 pm

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Listen! I got sick Monday before packing up... I saw your future! I think this in itself deserves a shirt please. Medium, Ms. Thang.



animosity
responding to a comment by Rosiekins
03.17.11 - 11:14 pm

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can i be the first to testify:

i'll personally carry a pee bucket around and catch those pissing on others campsites mid-stream. then i'll force them help me purify their urine into drinkable water and insist they trade a store-bought bottle for their homemade liter. of course i'll donate the store-bought bottle to the range. duh, i have my own pee to drink.

do you need that recorded?



animosity
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03.17.11 - 11:23 pm

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