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Thread Box:
***CONTRA SEA V***
Thread started by tallbike messiah at 01.10.12 - 10:15 pm



YOU ARE INVITED TO JOIN YOUR FELLOW MIDNIGHT RIDAZZ IN DEFENDING THE LAST FREE PLACE IN AMERICA - LOS ANGELOPES AUTONOMOUS ZONE.

LAAZ IS LOCATED IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS-FREE BORDER REGION OF IMPERIAL COUNTY, CALIFORNIA AND IS FLANKED BY THE SALTON SEA, ALGODONES DUNES, BAJA MEXICO AND AN ACTIVE BOMBING RANGE. THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT AND IMPERIAL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE ARE ALL ACTIVE IN THIS AREA, AND YOU AND YOUR VEHICLE MAY BE SEARCH AND DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

LAAZAZZ, AS ITS RESIDENTS ARE KNOWN, ARE RADICALLY SELF RELIANT, BRINGING ENOUGH FOOD, WATER AND TOYS TO LAST THE ENTIRE WEEKEND.

LAAZAZZ CUSTOMS AND RITUALS MAY DIFFER FROM YOUR OWN, SO OUR CITY-STATE MAY NOT BE FOR THOSE WHO FIND LARGE FIRES, FREAK BIKES, EXPLOSIONS, LASERS, LEDS AND HEAVY BASS OFFENSIVE.

IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO SURVIVE A WEEKEND AT THE END OF THE WORLD PLEASE APPLY FOR A PASSPORT HERE;

WWW.ANGELOPES.COM


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ANGELOPES.COM





tallbike messiah
01.10.12 - 10:31 pm

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sounds awesome but deadly.




palucha66
01.10.12 - 10:33 pm

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kinda like spiraldemon's farts.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by palucha66
01.10.12 - 10:38 pm

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Sounds really similar to salton just with more untz untz
untz...



andres84
01.11.12 - 1:40 am

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$$



Coe coe buttaa
01.11.12 - 1:40 am

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It all started HERE



Joe Borfo
01.11.12 - 2:45 am

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Don't forget the theme. Post-Apocalypse-Punk. Think Mad Max & Tank Girl.

Your mom.



TheDude
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
01.11.12 - 3:21 am

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If I survive vegas the week before I will go. Its on pace to be very interesting..



OsnapsonJC
01.11.12 - 8:30 am

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When?



tallcans4tallbikes
01.11.12 - 9:41 am

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why?



spiraldemon
01.11.12 - 10:53 am

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Who?



Rosiekins
01.11.12 - 11:02 am

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what?



coldcut
01.11.12 - 12:27 pm

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and how



Joe Borfo
01.11.12 - 12:30 pm

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now with 100% anonymous bitcoin donation!
need money for poopy pooties people!



newarkhouse
01.11.12 - 2:31 pm

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and dont forget the large chunk of cash taken from the potties for your designer drugs



andres84
responding to a comment by newarkhouse
01.11.12 - 4:45 pm

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Nvm I found out when. Ok looks like I'll be taking my 4x4 out here. Sweet.



JOKER
01.11.12 - 11:40 pm

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andres dont complain about the money were gonna give you to buy us drugs



newarkhouse
01.12.12 - 10:07 am

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I heard COkeCoke Chanel just came out with their fall 2012 line of drugs.



Rosiekins
responding to a comment by andres84
01.12.12 - 10:31 am

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Hey. We applied for a "passport". Why haven't you guys sent more info yet?

Don't be a dick now.



FBI
01.12.12 - 10:56 am

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still being a narc after all these years



andres84
responding to a comment by newarkhouse
01.12.12 - 12:10 pm

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rave crue 2 da rescue



Coe coe buttaa
01.12.12 - 7:07 pm

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one month away. just signed up.



larsenf
01.16.12 - 6:06 pm

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yeah yeah yeah, but WILL TECHNOVIKING BE THERE?










Joe Borfo
01.17.12 - 10:23 am

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Borfo has good taste in men

First LAAZ Communique was sent out to all applicants last night, if you havent already done so, sign up now!

also our paypal should be working now for anyone who tried to donate last night with no effect: donate@angelopes.com





TonyBologna
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
01.17.12 - 2:26 pm

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mossygoodness
01.26.12 - 9:39 am

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Sitting in that bus i realized there were no fire escape routes.... Burn baby burn!



Roadblock
responding to a comment by mossygoodness
01.26.12 - 9:42 am

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There are 2 fire escapes: one on either side, around the middle. If you just push on the window, it swings open.



mossygoodness
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.26.12 - 9:56 am

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oh is there? right on! hahah I was getting claustrophobic in that thing last friday hahah



Roadblock
responding to a comment by mossygoodness
01.26.12 - 11:02 am

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hey what's the deal with the porta-potties and firewood? has any money been coming in? I still gotta throw down



Roadblock
01.26.12 - 11:03 am

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MOAR MONIES



mossygoodness
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.26.12 - 11:38 am

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how much?



Roadblock
responding to a comment by mossygoodness
01.26.12 - 12:00 pm

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i never heard back



trickmilla
01.26.12 - 1:52 pm

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TRANS PAREN SEA VI ?



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by trickmilla
01.26.12 - 2:27 pm

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Donate as much as you feel is appropriate. Five dollars is suggested, but if you can swing more, then donate as much as you'd like. If money is an issue, we strongly encourage people to find another way to contribute.


It would be great if we didn't have to cover the costs out of pocket. If everyone chips in, we can have more party in our party.





mossygoodness
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.26.12 - 2:29 pm

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I put in $20 just now.



Roadblock
responding to a comment by mossygoodness
01.26.12 - 4:26 pm

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BALLER



mossygoodness
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.26.12 - 4:45 pm

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Imma prolly just hand you cash or something if you can get it to the proper place



enzomatic
01.26.12 - 6:21 pm

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Im so glad I found a baby sitter for you sonny. I told her to let you stay up 1 hour later, read you a story and leave your pokemon night light on. Try not to wet the bed its costs extra for her to clean it up.



Roadblock
responding to a comment by andres84
01.26.12 - 7:59 pm

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I got a Squareup Square. I'll have it on me at the Bikeroparty tomorrow, if anyone wants to do it by credit/bank card.

If you really, really must, I can also take cash tomorrow.



mossygoodness
responding to a comment by enzomatic
01.26.12 - 9:10 pm

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I dont know what this has to do with anything....





Roadblock
responding to a comment by mossygoodness
01.27.12 - 9:13 am

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I never got the communique...



trickmilla
01.27.12 - 1:33 pm

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Yo! get this brother the communique yo!!



Roadblock
responding to a comment by trickmilla
01.27.12 - 1:36 pm

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a leaky gas tank would have made that way more watchable.



trickmilla
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.27.12 - 1:44 pm

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hahaha





Roadblock
responding to a comment by trickmilla
01.27.12 - 2:07 pm

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Who the fuck is Matthew Kates?



Joe Borfo
01.27.12 - 3:32 pm

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ITS GONNA RAVE



andres84
01.29.12 - 3:24 pm

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<div style="text-align:left;font-size:x-small;margin-top:0;width:448px;">Dog Raves His Face Off - watch more funny videos
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Roadblock
responding to a comment by andres84
01.29.12 - 3:36 pm

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check yo mail scum bags



TonyBologna
01.29.12 - 6:17 pm

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I gots nothin'

yo can somebody check on my status?
did i TYP-O?
get edited out?




trickmilla
responding to a comment by TonyBologna
01.30.12 - 1:24 am

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Don't forget to contribute so we can haz POOPERS and FIREWOOD








$5 suggested donation.





Angie Lopez
01.30.12 - 10:10 am

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I want to go...



TheDude
01.30.12 - 2:06 pm

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bcc in government-mail has a limit i guess, had to re blast.

over 60 applicants, 2 weeks left, and for those still not in the know the date is-

FEBRUARY 10-12, 2012



TonyBologna
01.30.12 - 2:49 pm

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YESYESYES YESYESYESYYES

KEEPITUP!





jonnyboy
01.30.12 - 5:38 pm

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It NEVER rains over there. It was a fluke that it did last year... Or maybe a SIGN?



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
01.30.12 - 7:38 pm

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Roadblock
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
01.30.12 - 7:47 pm

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Who made that sign? I want to make out with them.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Roadblock
01.30.12 - 7:48 pm

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I have no idea! it's great though. they posted it up and down the street!



Roadblock
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
01.30.12 - 7:51 pm

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Any Ridazz who still need to GIVE US MONEY but don't have Paypal can co-ordinate alternate means by emailing:

donate
@angelopes
.com





Angie Lopez
02.1.12 - 1:37 pm

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Im bummed im going to miss this. I guess I will have to drink more in Vegas to ease my pain... I hope everyone has a blast.



OsnapsonJC
02.1.12 - 6:44 pm

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how much money you got?



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by Angie Lopez
02.2.12 - 11:59 am

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Enough for half of one pooper.





Angie Lopez
responding to a comment by spiraldemon
02.2.12 - 5:11 pm

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$5 each is a good amount

If everything goes as planned for me I'll be building a small mini stage out of some recently acquired found materials.

A bar or shade structure would sure be great if anyone has materials or wants to help build any sort of temp structure. I'm heading out there in exactly ONE WEEK on Thursday night to set up the stage and there will be a small crew getting who knows what else ready, pre partying, and reserving the baller tent spots up on the summit of the location. Anyone wanting to help build stuff and/or wanting to spend an extra night in the desert can come early, but productivity will be in the air! My favorite part :)

The forecast is predicting HOT so having a bar or shade structure would be pretty awesome if anyone has something and wants to contribute.

Please donate $5! Nobody wants to be stepping in a poop!



jonnyboy
02.2.12 - 6:18 pm

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donated.



mikeywally
02.2.12 - 9:47 pm

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With regard to suburban melting steel.....I don't get it....




Limeyfly
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.2.12 - 10:03 pm

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one week left!

sign up while you still can!

www.angelopes.com



newarkhouse
02.3.12 - 6:19 pm

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It's pretty much the best burnout ever...



Roadblock
responding to a comment by Limeyfly
02.3.12 - 7:00 pm

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PRECOMPRESSION PASSPORT PARTY TONIGHT AT THE CASA! COME AND GET EM!





jonnyboy
02.5.12 - 1:03 pm

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I NEED THEM!!!!



andres84
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
02.5.12 - 1:24 pm

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PICK UP YOUR PASSPORT:

Anyone who still needs to pick up their passport can arrange it by emailing donate(at)angelopes.com or calling the Angelopes hotline: (213) 5-FREAK-4





Angie Lopez
02.6.12 - 12:15 pm

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im getting excited to blow some shit up!

and hang out with the best ridazz in the world. (Minus newark)



andres84
02.6.12 - 1:28 pm

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i puked when i got home last night and the red-brown puddle i left on the lawn reminded me of you andres



newarkhouse
responding to a comment by andres84
02.6.12 - 2:14 pm

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thats sweet.

im coming for your colors...sleep tight and say good bye to the angie patch bro



andres84
responding to a comment by newarkhouse
02.6.12 - 2:31 pm

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CONTRACEPTION NOW





Joe Borfo
02.6.12 - 4:25 pm

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ON THE CONTRARY SEA





andres84
02.6.12 - 6:19 pm

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andres84
02.6.12 - 6:20 pm

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Joe Borfo
02.6.12 - 7:29 pm

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Joe Borfo
02.6.12 - 7:33 pm

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Joe Borfo
02.6.12 - 7:50 pm

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UP - DOWN - UP - DOWN - LEFT - RIGHT - LEFT - RIGHT - A - B - A - B !!!





Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by andres84
02.6.12 - 7:55 pm

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newarkhouse
02.7.12 - 1:00 am

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Do it do it do it. I couldda done it at BM but the idea came too late.



lackflag
responding to a comment by andres84
02.7.12 - 1:15 am

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WHO WANTS TO GIVE ME AND XRAY A RIDE?


EVERYBODY!

OH GREAT!

SEE YOU THERE MAYBE.



moondance
02.7.12 - 10:57 am

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less vampire weekend more wood winds



andres84
02.7.12 - 11:20 am

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abundant sunshine sounds bad guys idk if its gonna happen this weekend.



newarkhouse
responding to a comment by andres84
02.7.12 - 11:45 am

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NOT

GONNA

RAVE








Joe Borfo
02.7.12 - 12:00 pm

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can you hannel et?



Roadblock
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.7.12 - 12:34 pm

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rave

contrary rave



andres84
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.7.12 - 12:37 pm

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you gonna be aight at this rave?



andres84
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.7.12 - 12:38 pm

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<div style="text-align:left;font-size:x-small;margin-top:0;width:640px;">DJ Kitty - watch more funny videos
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invite this dj...no dj newark



andres84
02.7.12 - 12:43 pm

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fuck nvm



andres84
02.7.12 - 12:43 pm

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andres84
02.7.12 - 12:53 pm

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<div style="text-align:left;font-size:x-small;margin-top:0;width:640px;">Dubstep Cat - watch more funny videos
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andres84
02.7.12 - 12:55 pm

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fuck it i give up



andres84
02.7.12 - 12:56 pm

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HATE!

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HATE!

http://www.angelopes.com/





POOP DICK
02.7.12 - 2:21 pm

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I'm going to spin El Sondito (TWBG Remix) all weekend until even Beth Willow Yeah gets sick of it. Prepare to rave



jonnyboy
02.7.12 - 3:49 pm

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TOMORROW IS THE LAST DAY TO APPLY!!!



newarkhouse
02.7.12 - 6:46 pm

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shut up bro you are harshing my rave



andres84
responding to a comment by newarkhouse
02.8.12 - 12:06 pm

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You must have valid LAAZ issued identification to enter the Los Angelopes Autonomous Zone.

You AND your guest(s) must register at www.angelopes.com

TODAY IS THE LAST DAY TO REGISTER.
TODAY IS THE LAST DAY TO REGISTER.
TODAY IS THE LAST DAY TO REGISTER.
TODAY IS THE LAST DAY TO REGISTER.
TODAY IS THE LAST DAY TO REGISTER.
TODAY IS THE LAST DAY TO REGISTER.
TODAY IS THE LAST DAY TO REGISTER.




Angie Lopez
02.8.12 - 12:21 pm

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the angies website is busted....sorry guys this trip is cancelled.



andres84
responding to a comment by Angie Lopez
02.8.12 - 12:39 pm

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dump one out jonnyboy



dump em out
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
02.8.12 - 12:43 pm

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jonnyboy
responding to a comment by dump em out
02.8.12 - 9:52 pm

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dump em out
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
02.9.12 - 1:07 am

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NO



dump em out
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
02.9.12 - 1:09 am

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THE QR CODE IS NOT WORKING...



dump em out
02.9.12 - 1:39 am

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Anyone who has not claimed their passport before 10pm THURSDAY can come to the Immigration desk at the LAAZ border entry point.


See you at the Last Free Place in America.


Bombs away.



Angie Lopez
02.9.12 - 9:27 am

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Drape one along the side of AT's Mouf for me.



Joe Borfo
02.9.12 - 9:37 am

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ill do youone better and lincoln log all inside AT's mouf!!!!



andres84
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
02.9.12 - 11:47 am

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Angie Lopez
02.9.12 - 12:19 pm

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That poor poor pooper.



Joe Borfo
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02.9.12 - 1:05 pm

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Can i ride with anybody?
Or somebody possibly want to carpool with me?
email me:
abstractmachine///at////gmail



trickmilla
02.9.12 - 2:23 pm

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Just heard daft punk will be at this rave



andres84
02.10.12 - 2:44 am

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Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by andres84
02.10.12 - 6:12 am

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Coe coe b and i will be leaving around 7ish . if anybody wants to drive along side. hit me up at treetwotree-tree tree juan-seben tree juan nyne.



also what the fuck are the directions cause the qr code is not working.



andres84
02.10.12 - 3:49 pm

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just look for the WOM WOM WOM WOM sign.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by andres84
02.10.12 - 6:19 pm

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as skidmarcus would say...



SUKADIK!





Joe Borfo
02.11.12 - 2:58 am

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This rave was so big you could see it from outer space



andres84
02.12.12 - 7:57 pm

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I love it when a plan comes together.



FBI
02.12.12 - 8:39 pm

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Anyone who wants to donate to LaHarr's ticket can Paypal



donate(at)angelopes(dot)com

Write LaHarr in the notes field and the money will get to him.



Angie Lopez
02.13.12 - 10:09 am

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I wasn't even there but I just donated because LaHarr is one of the best guys on the bike scene. He is always willing to lend a hand, I've NEVER seen him pass by a stranded rida, the last year we were in Ridazz Camp at BM he probably fixed about 1253 piece of shit bikes, AND he's always helping smooth things out with people who have issues with ridazz, especially law enforcement!



toweliesbong
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02.13.12 - 12:25 pm

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1000 percent agreed. We're going to have to sort out what happened and why the Feds confiscated the laptops and DJ equipment.

My questions:

Are we allowed to be here?
yes

Are we allowed to camp with others?
yes

why are you confiscating equipment?
because this is an event

what defines this as an event?
dj booth

so does this mean that in the future we can gather and camp together so long as there is no dj booth?





Roadblock
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
02.13.12 - 1:57 pm

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oh and BRAVO to the people who made the passports!! I love those! best spoke card ever!!



Roadblock
02.13.12 - 1:58 pm

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I say DO NOT PAY THE FINE....goes on his record and nobody wants that shit on their record....Fight the citation and put up a hellofa good fight....Did any of the dj equipment get returned?



barleye
02.13.12 - 2:01 pm

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I'm down to fight the citation.

there was never any real case against us other than the DJ booth. People gather for camping together all the time... this was no different, it was invite only, we paid for porta potties to keep the area clean... the speakers were facing a bombing range for which jet fighters made more noise than we did....





Roadblock
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02.13.12 - 2:05 pm

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I rode my bike approximately 80 feet the entire weekend.



Roadblock
02.13.12 - 2:24 pm

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If LaHarr tries to fight it this is section 2932.12 of Title 43 Interior - Public Lands:

(d) The use is an organized group activity or event that—

(1) Is not commercial;

(2) Is not publicly advertised;

(3) Poses no appreciable risk for damage to public land or related water resource values; and

(4) Requires no specific management or monitoring.

If those conditions are met, the BLM will waive the need for a permit.

But my one post on MR convinced the judge that my event 3 years ago was "publicly advertised".





toweliesbong
02.13.12 - 2:45 pm

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laharr you blow my mind

So fucking happy to have you there when the BLMshowed up. You completely put the cops at ease right off the bat-- they were laughing in minutes. Well, I honestly feel kinda lucky that I am involved in all of this with the court date and all because that means more chances to make some rock tacos at slab hot springs

ROCK TACOS



jonnyboy
02.13.12 - 2:48 pm

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wow. how did they even find that post?

in this case the gathering was not publicly posted...

and therefore all of the above criteria were met.





Roadblock
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02.13.12 - 2:51 pm

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Record? Big fucking deal. It's just a Federal misdemeanor. My Federal public defender had one and it didn't prevent him from being a lawyer.

If LaHarr has the time and money to fight a US Attorney who will be completely biased against Contra Sea (unless he is very very very lucky) along with a judge or magistrate who will believe every fucking lie the BLM rangers will tell in court then more power to him.





toweliesbong
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02.13.12 - 2:54 pm

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Unless they find this thread. And they will be looking.

The BLM charged 10 hours of investigation time for my case at $80 an hour, which ended up being the bulk of my restitution. They even subpoenaed Ryder for my rental truck agreement. Believe me, they want that cash, and they will get it.



toweliesbong
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02.13.12 - 2:58 pm

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Ok, on the bright side of things, if LaHarr had a good rapport with the rangers then they could end up just doing a $250 infraction, no need to go to court if he pays it, and no potential misdemeanor on his record.

The last time this happened to me the ranger called me on the first Thursday after the event. He told me he was just going to write me a $250 infraction.

BUT his supervisor, because of my previous interactions with him, overrode the rangerand I got this in the mail a couple of months later.



toweliesbong
02.13.12 - 3:57 pm

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would it help to give them a call?

we took photos of the grounds after it was cleaned, and it WAS spotless.... We had every intention of doing so anyway as witnessed by the fact that we had portapotties... but we gave it an extra combing just to be sure...



Roadblock
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
02.13.12 - 4:02 pm

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I just don't see how a group can't get together, decide to have a camping trip with music and post it to the internet to invite other friends.



Roadblock
02.13.12 - 4:05 pm

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Blame it on moontribe



buckchin
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.13.12 - 4:11 pm

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ha. well what the fuck? the feds are in the business of crushing FUN.



Roadblock
responding to a comment by buckchin
02.13.12 - 4:44 pm

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worth it or not to delete the thread?



jonnyboy
02.13.12 - 4:47 pm

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we said there was a trip happening on this site but that does not make it public. you had to sign up and emails were sent to a private group with the location of the event



larsenf
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
02.13.12 - 4:49 pm

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yup. therefore the event is not public.



Roadblock
responding to a comment by larsenf
02.13.12 - 5:00 pm

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You guys fucking rock.
my short stay in the Autonomous Zone was FUCKING AMAZING.

Thanks so much everybody.

If you see my passport, i'd love to have it.

Maximum love to the Midnight Ridazz & Angelopes who put so much work into this.
Thankzz!



trickmilla
responding to a comment by larsenf
02.13.12 - 5:03 pm

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You cannot believe the stories I heard in court. The BLM is out of control. Their regulations are completely open to the interpretation of the rangers. And then whatever the ranger tells the US Attorney is taken as the word of God.

Yes, I think if someone like you or LaHarr called them it would help, especially if the rangers seemed cool out there. I mean, I think these guys would rather deal with a bunch of fun loving partiers who aren't running into each other with their dune buggies and quads and killing each other.

And it is up to the ranger and their supervisor to decide what to submit to the courts. If they do just an infraction, it's $250 and no court date. That's nothing. Permit and insurance and all that would be more.




toweliesbong
02.13.12 - 5:04 pm

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It's cached on Google.



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
02.13.12 - 5:04 pm

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Doesn't matter. It was publicly advertised.



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by larsenf
02.13.12 - 5:06 pm

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It's cached until 2/9. I don't know if you want to delete some of my advice posts.



toweliesbong
02.13.12 - 5:11 pm

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yeah I agree that with this thread alone it would probably stand up as public, there was no facecrack event or social bullshit network blasting. Now angelopes are thinking, "If only we hadn't posted this on Ridazz" ahahha

But then I would not have met and hung out with certain awesome people, so I have no regrets.

Seriously though, this thread is the only record of it being public... Just sayin...



jonnyboy
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02.13.12 - 5:20 pm

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actually I would be more worried about the angelopes.com page... they zeroed in on the Los Angelopes spraypaint tag on the DJ booth...

I'm sure they also know about this page too...

I don't want to delete the thread because this site is like a diary of bike love in Los Angeles to me and I want to browse it when I'm 60 years old and enjoy the memories.

and like I said via email, I'm completely sad to see that the over all effect of what is happening is that groups and ideas go "underground" and become exclusive, thus cutting off chances for movements to happen. Judging by moontribe's website, they went underground in 2009... or transfered to facebook. either way I would probably not have discovered them were it not for towlie's comment.



Roadblock
responding to a comment by jonnyboy
02.13.12 - 6:12 pm

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hey man I want to call them up. where can I get the number??



Roadblock
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
02.13.12 - 6:50 pm

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nevermind I found the info...


also, it looks like it's not that difficult to get a permit....

we would fall under this type of permit it seems...

any drawbacks to this?


5.Organized Group Activity and Event Use – Organized group/event permits are for noncommercial and noncompetitive group activities and recreation events.

Examples: A large scout camp out, a fraternity activity, a large family reunion, or a dual sport event.

Objectives of the BLM recreation permitting system are to satisfy recreational demand within allowable use levels in an equitable, safe, and enjoyable manner while minimizing adverse resource impacts and user conflicts. In issuing recreation permits to recreational users of public lands, the BLM authorizes permittees use of the lands and/or related waters for permitted purposes. This represents a privilege to use public lands and/or related waters which is subject to the terms and conditions of the permits.

Recreation permits are managed in a manner which is consistent with management objectives determined in resource management plans, recreation area management plans, or in their absence, through recreation management objectives resulting from analysis of resources and visitor use for each area.



Roadblock
02.13.12 - 7:00 pm

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Yeah, it looks like they have all their numbers listed:
http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/elcentro/directory.html

It's not hard to get a permit, but when I was talking to them they said at the minimum they would require insurance.



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.13.12 - 7:03 pm

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http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/prog/recreation/recperm_how.html

I don't see any fees mentioned...



Roadblock
02.13.12 - 7:04 pm

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how much does that run....



Roadblock
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
02.13.12 - 7:04 pm

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Good question, I didn't want to spend anything so I never bothered to check it out.

I deleted the calendar entry here but left up a one line note on my site about going camping that weekend. It truly ended up being just a camping trip with friends but when the US attorney presented the case to the judge she and the ranger made it sound and look like a planned and advertised "event".

I still think it's BS, I wrote my congressperson and the congressperson for the area out there. I ended up getting a letter back from the head of the BLM and from reading the case he clearly thought I was some bicycle event producer.

The funny thing was the ranger and the US Attorney just couldn't believe that I had 22 friends to camp with. I feel sorry for them.





toweliesbong
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.13.12 - 7:19 pm

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The prosecutor can talk up any type of gathering as falling into one of their "event" classifications. The BLM bureaucracy should spell out some sort of requirements.

An "event" could result in litter and degradation of the land. There are many groups of recreational vehicle enthusiasts who use these lands regularly to enjoy their buggies and whatnot, sometimes that stuff can tear it up. That's pretty much their exposure, damaged lands left behind by careless users.

Evidence of a clean campsite afterwards should help demonstrate there was no negative impact to the public lands. Perhaps a permit can be issued retroactively?

Insurance is not always required, like a person can drive a car without insurance in California legally if they have demonstrated evidence of financial responsibility ($X in the bank, letter of credit, etc.) and that same principle applies here, and this method is defined by the BLM here.

What level of insurance or financial responsibility should they reasonably expect of a camping trip? Should be pretty low, and the portable toilets and clean site left behind all help demonstrate there was no negative impact.



icbx
02.13.12 - 7:57 pm

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Hey everyone! Thanx for the compliments. I'm tearing up over here.
Aside from the drama I had a blast! Can you believe they called us organized?
Is anyone else hungry?
I'll keep yall appraised of any fines and court dates here.

RESPEK TOMATO!!



420LaHaRR
02.14.12 - 1:17 am

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When people said you stepped up, I wasn't surprised in the slightest.

Ride On!



trickmilla
responding to a comment by 420LaHaRR
02.14.12 - 11:43 am

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LaHarr:

email donate(at)angelopes(dot)com when you want to cash out. There's money waiting for you.



Angie Lopez
02.15.12 - 9:49 am

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I just got off the phone with one of the rangers who was there that night. He said that it really helped that we were cooperative and that the place was cleaned up after we left.

In the future we, according to him, simply need to get a permit that runs about $100...

I have the name and number of the permit specialist. we just need to call next time and make it happen.

Thanks again to LaHarr for stepping up. You are a god.

Thanks to everyone who cleaned up. We usually leave no trace anyway, but this time it was really important.





Roadblock
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02.15.12 - 2:05 pm

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Also any lawyers out there who might have some advice as to how to speed up this process, considering the amount of equipment confiscated by the rangers as "evidence" (for which I would have thought the photos would be enough), expensive equipment that most of us cannot afford to replace, and would be hard pressed to do without (personal laptops, mixers, etc) for the months it's going to take this to get dealt with, we would appreciate advice.
Basically any know how as to how we can game the system a bit in our favor to get our shit back would be greatly appreciated.



FuzzBeast
02.15.12 - 3:20 pm

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The permit was actually looked into beforehand, but the website says:

" MAKE SURE THIS APPLICATION CAN BE TURNED IN 180 DAYS PRIOR TO THE EVENT OR ACTIVITY"

Just like that, in all-caps. Generally speaking, the website is difficult to navigate. The ermit process needs desperately to catch up with the present and become streamlined so that the public may gain use of public land. BLM.com gets a Yelp review of 1 star.

After reviewing the "Do I need a permit?" questionnaire, (below), it seemed pretty reasonable to operate without a permit.


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DO I NEED A PERMIT?

Preapplication Interview Checklist:

Are you charging a fee?
Do you expect to make money on the event or is the fee to cover expenses?
Will there be a competition?
Will you advertise?
Will you mark a course?
Will you be expecting vehicles at your event? (How many?)
Will your event involve public lands?
If you answered "yes" to any of these questions, you may need a permit from the BLM. Please review the How To Apply page and contact the appropriate BLM Field Office personnel.



Angie Lopez
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.15.12 - 3:46 pm

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what is the definition of advertise.... in my mind it is paying money for exposure...



Roadblock
responding to a comment by Angie Lopez
02.15.12 - 8:13 pm

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Unfortunately not in the eyes of the law. Any notice published for public viewing is an advertisement, pre-Internet that meant fliers and newspapers, now it includes websites.

But the most important thing is the interaction with the rangers, they will be ones reporting to the US Attorney, and then they will be the ones filling the missing blanks to the attorney, too.

There was no competition, there was no commercial aspect, the porta potties were there only to lessen your impact, the only thing they have on you guys is stuff that's on the web. And it seems like a decent defense attorney and hopefully a lenient US Attorney could get anything outrageous dropped down to just infraction level.

It still sucks that they have a lot of your equipment, though.



toweliesbong
responding to a comment by Roadblock
02.15.12 - 9:47 pm

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how did this robot find CONTRA SEA?

by the way, has anyone gotten their laptops back?!



Roadblock
06.4.12 - 9:24 am

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Yeah, I haven't heard shit. Did LaHarr ever receive a citation?

Is all your equipment lost in a black hole of Fed neglect?



toweliesbong
06.7.12 - 7:44 pm

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the BLM is having its own rave now with all the free equipment they confiscated from everybody.



andres84
responding to a comment by toweliesbong
06.8.12 - 12:05 pm

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they always throw the best raves



Roadblock
responding to a comment by andres84
06.8.12 - 5:00 pm

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they always have the best weed



bondink
responding to a comment by andres84
06.8.12 - 5:03 pm

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CASE DISMISSED.



420LaHaRR
07.12.12 - 5:05 am

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Foiled again!



FBI
responding to a comment by 420LaHaRR
07.12.12 - 8:43 am

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:)



mikeywally
responding to a comment by 420LaHaRR
07.12.12 - 1:06 pm

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