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Thread started by OsnapsonJC at 06.13.17 - 5:46 am

So after living in South Florida for a few months...It\'s awesome. People are extremely friendly, nice weather (except for the 20 minutes of random rain) but...something is missing. Been on one ride that was fun, slow, hand signals, basically textbook cycling in the city. It was great. The only problem is it\'s once a month and 1 hour long.... So the question becomes now what? With no forum and a dated page that nobody updates they have nothing.

Sooooooooo... tips, haiku poetry, etc on ways to grow the cycling community in South Florida.


Florida, man.

the reverend dak
06.13.17 - 11:52 am


Quit and come back to LA

06.13.17 - 2:55 pm


I don't see that happening.

responding to a comment by palucha66
06.16.17 - 9:25 am


On organizing a cycling event.

How do I do this, how? Well I get asked this one a lot. Organizing events involves many things the main thing is you will be duly punished for doing a good deed, there are no exceptions. Iíve been putting on bike related events for over 15 years now and I guess I can say out of all the things I do, putting on a good low buck/high fun ratio event is what Iím best at. I see other people doing events and over time I have seen many of them falter for various reasons, I think it all comes down to how you look at an event and what motivates you to do it. Firstly, if you set out to do a bike event you should keep in mind that you should do it because you want to for fun and not expect anything else. If you do an event for ego or self-aggrandizement then you will most likely come away from it feeling disappointed. The fun aspect is devising a plan and getting all the pieces of the puzzle together and then knocking them off your checklist (You NEED a checklist) one by one and then doing the event, seeing it through to the end where you are sweeping up the mess at the end of the day. The event is almost an anti-climax to the building of the event. All the thought and ideas that go into it and all the energy to get things going is where the magic happens, the day of the event you will see the fruits of your endeavors brought forth, the key is to not expect much and you wonít be disappointed. Know that if you can get half a dozen people to stop from staring into their cell phones for a few hours in a day you have achieved a miracle. Most people have such short attention spans now that to provide a tactile, real experience that is better then pointless updating on oneís face book page that will get people to break their routine is an arduous task. The deck is stacked against you. The first events you do will have low turn out typically, but you must press on and not be discouraged by low numbers. If you make 1000 flyers and ten people show up, they deserve the best you can give them, keep in mind they have set aside their day to attend your idea. Iíve done 2500 flyers and had 12 people show up, the next one we had 70 and so on, Iíve had near 300 at times after 15 years, the numbers will ebb and flow. You must keep the promotional aspects up, the fires burning all night high and hot, to back off even a little means markedly less turn out. Paper flyers are still the best way to promote an event. I make stacks of small hand flyers and posters and mail them to bike shops. Why? Because bike shops are often filled with bike people, they want to do fun things on bikes; it is your target audience. Secondly, it is a physical reminder of the event; an e-mail can be so easily ignored while a wad of paper in oneís pocket will remind the potential event attendee of something fun in the future. Also, it is a keepsake of sorts. Many people have told me that they kept flyers from my events and hung them up in their garage etc. Iíd say web promotion is less effective for bringing people to your event. You can post things on web forums and will get a few here and there as a result. Social media is nigh worthless, my contention is people on facebook are on facebook and seldom anywhere else, no matter how many people ďlikeĒ what youíre doing expect less than 1% of the virtual people to actually show up in the flesh. Case and point: I was working with a guy doing some off road stuff, they said they had 153 friends on facebook for their event, only 4 people showed up to race, the ones that did I mailed flyers to. So you should expect about a 1% return on your advertising, anything more is a boon. All that being said, a website detailing your event is useful. People can look at it when they have time and help you promote your event. It is also a good place to have all of the frequently asked questions listed so you donít have to answer the same questions over and over again via e-mail or phone. I find it best to have a huge amount of detail for my events, not only to cover all the bases from an informative stand point, people will know what to expect and youíve shown that youíre putting effort into the event which will usually translate into more and better informed attendance. Iíd shy away form using Craigís list, the moron factor is too high. The first thing you need to do is make a flyer. A flyer should convey some detail and be catching to the eye but not overwhelm the reader with too much information nor be too arty and have too little. Look at your flyers like a box of cereal: it is most likely bad for you and will make you sick but it sure looks fun! Hand drawn or stolen images from the web are fine as long as it does the job. Double and triple check the date so you donít put the wrong date on there and make sure you spell everything right, not only does it make your flyer look more professional, the last thing you need is some web weenie commenting on a spelling error. Once you make the flyer you should either go to, or mail it to as many shops as you can, most will put it up, some will throw it away. The more you pay personal visits too the more will take it but this can be a huge task. I have done this only to find out later that they threw out the flyers once I left, or youíve handed someone a flyer and they throw it on the ground, it happens. Not everyone believes in bike culture or they are jealous or controlling of their space or they are just plain old jerks, it is best not to get hung up on this and move on. Detail. You must think out everything and have all the bases covered. Every aspect of your event can be broken down into components; each one of those should be on your checklist. A checklist is an essential component to proper event organization. While the whole task of putting on an event can be daunting, breaking down each of the tasks in a given event should be easy to get done one at a time. The key is to start early. I usually start two months before an event, putting the pieces together one by one. This way if you get sick or injured or have some other unforeseen mishap occur you have time to make up the difference, adhering to the 5 Pís is essential. If you donít know what those are, it is Proper Planning Prevents Piss-poor Performance, live it. After flyers you may have to make route maps and spoke cards or other things such as special event bikes, t-shirts, stickers etc. Best to get all this stuff made well before you need it. Some stuff you can do yourself and other stuff you will need help with or have to pay for. If you are enlisting friends to help you, you should expect next to nothing. Sorry to be a downer but most people just donít have the drive to finish a project, if you rely on someone to complete a component of your event be ready to re-take the reigns and finish if they falter. As you should well know by now, most people will help you eat your bread but not bake it. Many people want to be involved just for some accolades or an ego boost but have no vested interest in your event; it is up to you to finish things or be willing to have certain aspects of your event not come to fruition. Be prepared to do everything from drawing up a flyer to sweeping the floor for your event. Whatever type of cycling event you do, you should try and come up with something that is not being done in your area. Things like races on kids bikes or single speed or vintage mountain bike races are fun as well as things like odd alley cat races or themed cruises. The point is to be creative and make the activity attractive to strangers that want to do fun things on bikes; you are being a salesmen in this point so you should have something to sell. Most events should be free but if you have to charge something make sure they get a lot in return. You should have a spoke card, stickers, buttons, or a t-shirt for a race youíre going to charge for. I would not recommend trying to make money off your events; just charge enough to break even and if you have left over money just feed everyone or buy them beer, people love that stuff. People should have a cool keepsake to take home with them, if you are planning on doing something besides a one off thing and plan to repeat it these keepsakes act as continuing advertising for your event and word of mouth beats any other form of promotion hands down. In closing, the goal is to have fun and from a personal philosophy point of view you can either leave this world a little worse, the same, or a little better and every little bit helps. It took some self-realization over time but I realized that you canít expect any sort of reward for organizing an event; the doing is itís own reward. If you are organizing an event for an ego boost or are fishing for complements, you are in the wrong game. Sometimes you will wonder if it is all worth the hassle being that you will never amount to any accolades than perhaps a tiny blurb in the very back of a newspaper, once again if you are hoping to achieve fame you are on the wrong road. However a little validation is nice and after 12 years of doing my Halloween ride/event I had one of the participants come up to me and prefacing his speech told be that what I was doing was valuable, I nearly cried.

responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
06.21.17 - 9:36 pm


This was a solid read. Lots of squinting reading, but, a solid read. Leading, promoting, the spoke card struggle, the time, etc I'm good. They mailing of flyers is a solid idea!!! Never thought about that.

responding to a comment by rev106
06.22.17 - 9:42 am


It's hot.

responding to a comment by the reverend dak
06.22.17 - 9:43 am


years of experience, use it.

responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
06.22.17 - 8:53 pm



I have been to a hand full of your events and I always had a great time.
Thank you for all the work you put into them.

I didn't go to all of them because not all of them where for me. That is something to keep in mind OsnapsonJC, just because you may want to do a certain idea, doesn't mean everybody will want to do it also.

It is my experience when I was at them that most of the people that went to Atomic Cycle events really enjoyed and appreciated them.

06.23.17 - 11:39 pm


Well of course, you can;t make everyone happy. I'd be a fool if I tried. That is why I have all kinds of different things going on at all times. I don't alter things to conform to the opinions of the vociferous, as they are many, and the those that do, are few.

responding to a comment by sexy
06.24.17 - 10:21 am


It's a bike ride? You go from point A to point B then B to A. Its pretty straight forward. If people don't like they don't go.

responding to a comment by sexy
07.10.17 - 5:27 am


Well some times, sure but I often have esoteric leanings in what I do, not everyone wants to race a coaster brake bike in the mountains or dress up like a ninja and battle in the dark with foam swords. I've done very few normal ride type rides or party rides because there are enough of them and as many of may know, I don't party.

I've done some wacky things on two wheels, and will continue to do so.

responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
08.18.17 - 10:12 pm



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