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Fuck the Cliché
Thread started by trickmilla at 03.30.09 - 10:56 am

To me "Fuck All Cops" is just as ignorant as (but not limited to) fuck all: whites, gays, blacks, latinos, christians, muslims, cyclists, drivers, etc etc etc.

Cops are people.
That seems to be an indigestible concept to many people.

When I hear people here reciting old NWA lyrics and saying at ALL cops are pigs etc., I just shake my head. Usually i don't bother to respond because the people posting those comments don't seem to have any real thought behind it. Its easier to repeat a cliché that sounds tough, than to actually think and work for solutions that make our culture and our society function better.

Now if you are a honest and consistent (A)narchist who is actively working to overturn authoritarian/ capitalist government and institute a system of community policing. Then you get pass. At least on being against the concept of a police force. But I would hope one would be mature enough to understand that cops are also victims of the authoritarian/ capitalist machine.

This is not 1967 you are not in the Bl;ack Panthers. This is not 1986 you are not a member of NWA (not that they were real gangstas anyway). Its time to grow up.

If you are out there feeling emboldened by being part of the M.O.B. and you are heckling or starting shit with cops YOU are part of the problem. You are a cancer in our culture and you shouldn't be riding bikes with people who are out for F.U.N.

Cops are all individuals. They may have a different culture, they may have made different life decisions than you, but they are all out there doing a dirty job that needs to be done in this society. Some of them actually do it honestly and to the very best of their ability. We should support them, as many of them are just as eager to ferret out the pigs that instill terror and injustice on our communities.

Most of you armchair wankstas are quick to bitch and whine to the cops when you bike gets stolen, some jackass car hits you, or your are being threatened by some criminal. But god damn you do look Fucking TOUGH if you can post the words FUCK THE PIGS under a cutesy pseudonym every time some jackass cop does something lame or unjust to fellow cyclist.

Its time to grow up.
Use that anger and energy not to stereotype or create unnecessary tension with the cops, but to hold them accountable to the standards of our city and our community and US the people that they work for.

These are human beings. They will inevitably make mistakes, even if they re well intentioned. We need to be smarter than them, hold them to account and make them understand that we are not a bunch of ignorant savages, but people who are just trying to make our city and our world better one bike ride at a time. That the overwhelming majority of us want to co-exist safely in this world while doing the most we can to make it more better and more fun.

If I see somebody out there fucking with the cops, hiding behind the MOB my first thought is NARC or DUMMY? either that person is a covert agitator working for some black ops or some fucking dummy that is doing their job for them. good work!

Any cop haters still with me?
Check out this clip from today's Democracy Now! The former chief of police of Seattle talks about legalizing drugs, globalization, and mistakes he made policing the the WTO "battle in seattle" in the 90s.

Is it possible to see this person as an individual who attempted to do a job well while making mistakes and has progressed and evolved over time? Or is that too nuanced to process? Is it easier to just make a judgement about this person based on their former occupation so at not waste important brain cells on the concept that life is complicated and nothing is ever black or white?

WAY TOO COMPLICATED!\
FUCK COPS!
WHERS MY 40?







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i like when people write what i would say.



Frozen Fingersss
03.30.09 - 10:59 am

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FBI
03.30.09 - 11:07 am

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+111111111infinity on this one.

If it weren't for cops, some of these armchair warriors would be bent over right about now.



bentstrider
03.30.09 - 11:37 am

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FUCK THE WORLD(we live in)



_iJunes
03.30.09 - 11:40 am

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My recent experiences with cops have been refreshingly positive. The cops address me in a cordial and respectful way, I reciprocate. But, just as with cyclists, all it takes is a few poor choices from a few bad apples to ruin the image of the collective whole.

There's a giant discussion that could be had surrounding the acceptable depreciation in public image of law enforcement. Much of being a cop is to exist within a unified, semi-unfavorable position in the public eye in order to stoke the perception of their authority.

Cops have dug such a deep hole for themselves, on a national level, that I doubt if they will ever escape their stigma; or maybe resistance to that stigma will breed new, honest, polite cops in generations to come--who knows. I'd rather just learn from their mistakes, remembering that we're painting a picture, for everyone, of what a Los Angeles cyclist is, so to Trick's point, let's continue to paint a great picture.



Eric Hair
03.30.09 - 12:21 pm

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Well said, Patrick. Thanks for taking the time to write this out.

I don't see much to be gained by a simplistic and confrontational approach in most situations. To me, a mark of maturity is being able to see life through a variety of angles, even if you don't agree with all of them.



mr rollers
03.30.09 - 12:26 pm

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for the record, I still love early NWA and a lot of early gangsta rap.




trickmilla
03.30.09 - 12:54 pm

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In most instances If you KNOW you're being cited for something, however chicken shit you believe it to be, stay silent, accept the ticket, do whatever you have to do to erase from the officers memory. If you're a loud mouth smart ass the chances are higher the officer will fight you in court rather than blowing it off if they don't really remember you....Officers take notes and if you start telling him he's wrong and asking him why they're harassing cyclists, rapists and murderers out there, etc....you're gonna regret it in court. Once they start writing the citation, they can't stop.



barleye
03.30.09 - 1:23 pm

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What he said.

Basically, save the "Fight-The-Power" bullshit for dipshits with a feigned, sense of authority.

Like over-zealous security-officers, loudmouth civilians driving equally loud cars, and those NIMBY's that talk alot of shit and don't do anything to change it.



bentstrider
03.30.09 - 1:41 pm

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Bents,
Just to be clear, I am all about "Fighting the Power" or better yet "Becoming the Power".

I just think that among the myriad things of things that can be done to improve our culture an/or the power structure that we exist in. Judging somebody by their job description, or worse, throwing rocks at the beehive, are just counter-productiv and don't help us.





trickmilla
03.30.09 - 2:02 pm

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The cops could do alot for themselves if they abolish the code of silence. I don't even see that on their radar. So it's going to be a real up hill battle improving relations.

Nice words though Patrick.



User1
03.30.09 - 2:13 pm

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Let me ask you this. go to places like Watts, Carson, Florence, Montebello, El Monte. See what the general publics view on cops are. I bet you 90 % of people there hate cops. Sure ask a hipster who lives in echo but probaldly moved there from iowa are some place. But sure as fuck did not go to High school in echo park yeah you will get a much differnt view.
but i guess as you said people living in those areas must not have much thought to back up there claims.



buckchin
03.30.09 - 2:28 pm

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it's easy to generalize that all cops are bad when the only police you see are the ones fucking with you. but that's still a generalization you're making. you can call it what you will, but if you make a decision about what a person is like based on their occupation that's called prejudice

@User1The cops could do alot for themselves if they abolish the code of silence. I don't even see that on their radar. So it's going to be a real up hill battle improving relations.

what code of silence are you talking about, allan? there are plenty of police that are cyclists and others who will openly talk trash about their associates.



tortuga_veloce
03.30.09 - 2:35 pm

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Poodles has spoken.



Joe Borfo
03.30.09 - 2:40 pm

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Thanks Allen.

A code of silence isn't really a cop thing though, its cultural, and there is really nothing an institution can do to really stop it.

I wouldn't expect cops to act any different than solders, politicians, gangstas, or cyclists.

Generally speaking, unless somebody is particularly revolted or alienated by something they are going to be unlikely to speak out against their colleagues. We are no different. If we see somebody corking would we give them up to the cops? Fuck no.

Somebody on that Kush Town ride saw my stuff and the stuff of other people get jacked. Is anybody going to out that person or those people? Probably not. Not unless they feel alienated by the thief or absolutely revolted by what they did. Whistle blowers usually don't step up until they feel like they have nothing to lose.

Or even me.
Am I gonna call the cops and tell them to be at the next Kush Town ride because I got ripped off? No fucking way. Because the bike scene is more important to me than a $50 bike light. That's a code of silence too.




trickmilla
03.30.09 - 2:42 pm

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I do not like cops and I say this from first hand experiences with them.

I've meet probably one or two cool cops in my entire life, this was in 6th or 7th grade when one of them bought me and my friends sodas and let us play with his speed radar gun thing.


I don't care how long and thorough anyones letter is that they write out, it will not change the way I feel.







Graham
03.30.09 - 2:48 pm

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AND I'm a white person, I couldn't even imagine what its like to be someone of color dealing with the cops all the time.




Graham
03.30.09 - 2:49 pm

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Buckchin,

I'm not fully following you. But I think its a little presumptuous to think that people in the neighborhoods you are talking about "hate the cops".

I've grown up in So Cali my whole life and have met a lot of people form a lot of places and people are way more dynamic than the narrow category you would assign them to.

Some families have some kids that become cops and other kids that end up behind bars how they they feel about "the cops?"

People like to talk a lot of shit. but most people, when they meet somebody have the presence to treat them as an individual person based on their own actions. Its a lot easier to hate an image or a symbol or a stereotype than it is to hate a person.






trickmilla
03.30.09 - 2:51 pm

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Patrick, you can't possibly equate a buddy stealing a light with putting someone away for years under some false pretences can you? Damn straight I would rat my follow officer(s) out if that was the case. I guess that's just me. But if I'm sworn to uphold the law, and to protect and serve, that what I plan to do. It comes with the territory. If you don't plan to do it, don't be a police officer.

To the poodle, the code of silence exist and is well in practice. Sure you may find a cop that say what you want, but be serious here. If you truly need to read up on what the code of silence is, here's a couple of links,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_Scandal
POLICE CODE OF SILENCE FACTS REVEALED

Let me know if you need more. And yes, alot of the public have a legitimate reason to not trust the cops.



User1
03.30.09 - 2:59 pm

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Of course it exists.
An of course its not the same a ratting out a thief.
But like I said. Its cultural, the higher the stakes of somebody's job, the stronger the bond and the stronger a code of silence there is gonna be.

Its not a cop thing. Its a people thing.

That said, I don't know what measures LAPD or the city has put in to deal with this phenomenon, but cops that obstruct justice or are witness or accessory to a crime should be held accountable and punished just as harshly as the average schmo + a little extra for breaking the public trust.






trickmilla
03.30.09 - 3:08 pm

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As to what 'milla just said, I second that. Prejudice is prejudice. It comes in all forms, and that includes one I see pronounced quite often on this site and in person, the "well you didn't grow up here" prejudice. I remember hearing that same prejudice growing up in backwoods NH, I heard it in Florida, I've heard it in the Midwest, I've heard it everywhere. I hear it more often than anywhere in LA; and to that I gotta say, it sends my Bullshit-O-Meter (tm) into the red.
Who gives a shit where you're from, it's an artificial distinction, and just as much a choice as a person's race, sexual orientation, or any of those other things on the PC, Identity Politic list.
People ALWAYS bitch about "those people" from somewhere else. Does that mean the redneck ass cops with nothing to do (who by the time I was mostly gown up happened to be the very same kids who used to beat the shit out of me in grade school) where I grew up were any less violent or boorish than the cops in LA? Not really. Did it do much to improve my outlook on police (or the need for them)? Not really.
Does it mean the air I breathed was all that different? Cleaner maybe, but still the same basic elements floating around.
Does that mean my High School was any less filled with hormone fueled douchebags? Not really.
All being in a different place at a different time in your life means is that you've had a different set of experiences, but you know what, so does the kid you grew up next door to, or your own brother/sister. EVERYONE has had different experiences. Everyone has had to deal with different trials and tribulations in their life, and those personal experiences are what define our lives, just as everyone's brain functions slightly differently, and even how two people react to the same situation differs.
SO, the next time you start going all "where you from, homie?", or start bitching about "transplants" on someone, realize that it's not what matters, it's where they are at that point in time that matters.
If there were no transplants, the only people sitting here right now would be speaking Chumash or Tongva.
Also remember, EVERYONE bitches about people from other places, usually as an excuse to blame problems in the area on that mysterious "other"; it's an easy scapegoat. Change happens, it's a natural part of cultures everywhere, even without an influx of people, neighborhoods change, times change, outlooks change, influences change.



FuzzBeast
03.30.09 - 3:22 pm

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trickmilla
03.30.09 - 5:51 pm

SO yeah, fuck cliche's (plural)



FuzzBeast
03.30.09 - 3:23 pm

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User1 is completly right on the code of silence. and that to me makes it me against them. knowing that someone can put me in jail whether it just or not. and if you try to speak your mind against them you sudenly have a asulting an officer offence and because there is allways six cops on the seen so they have all the witnesses they need. and if you dont know anybody that has had that happen to them then you probaldly dont know to many people in the areas i have mentioned before.



buckchin
03.30.09 - 3:34 pm

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Cops are people who have their own issues and problems and challenges to deal with in their own jobs. I will never say fuck cops because they are doing a job that I personally can never do.

As fair as I'm trying to be and looking at all sides of the coin, my personal experience with officers in LA is that they are COMPLETE ASSHOLES AND DICKS 95%+ of the time. No matter how respectfully I treat them, they are completely rude and treat me like filth, even if I'm not being written up for something and just approaching them to ask for directions. Sad, sad, sad.



Antranik
03.30.09 - 3:44 pm

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@ fuzzbeast.
im not sure if you were refering to me. but i have nothing against transplants. I wasnt even born in this country. but i have lived in LA since i was seven years old. I just think if you did not grow up hear and your saying people are ignorant because we hate cops is bullshit. dont judge someone if dont know what they have been through



buckchin
03.30.09 - 3:48 pm

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I wasn't talking specifically to you, just bringing something up I hear often.
Growing up here, I could see how it makes a person jaded toward police, LA has some of the worst cops in the country, and an official track record to prove it (Rampart, MacArthur Park being only some of the most recent examples), however, this doesn't mean cops anywhere else are that different. If you've ever run into a cop, late night in central Florida you'd see what I mean.
And I was saying the same thing you are, don't judge people, you don't know what they've been through.
It's the same "that person is different I'm going to judge them" thing.
Although I have known one or two decent cops in my lifetime, one of which actually rides with us now and then (she's old school enough to have been a regular at the Badger Song and GOGA) and has corked rides for us with her cruiser, on Hollywood Blvd., I will say that this is the exception rather than the rule. Most interactions with police I have had, around this country, have been fairly negative, and I don't do much to attract attention (well that I get caught for), most of the "official" interactions I've had with cops have been harassment for petty and or made up infractions.



FuzzBeast
03.30.09 - 3:57 pm

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i'm fully aware that police act inappropriately, even abusively. i've seen it very recently. I'm sure there are more than a few mini-ramparts out there today all over LA, and all across America. but that doesnt give you a blank check to call every cop a pig who upholds the "code of silence."

what you're arguing is that every single person who becomes a police officer automatically becomes bad. that's like saying that every white person is bad because some tweeked out cracker stole your bike, or because you heard that white people are stealing bikes.

are you saying that?

that's judging someone prior to knowing them. pre-judice.





tortuga_veloce
03.30.09 - 3:58 pm

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many cops are people. (some are reptiles)

many cops are dehumanized people. (or just plain evil reptiles)

many dehumanized cops dehumanize other people. (but not other reptiles)

dehumanized people regain their humanity by fighting for it and letting go their fear of death (hence the manifestations of cliches and generalizations of the oppressed group towards the oppressor group -eg the reptiles).

only then can both the oppressed and oppressor both regain their humanity. (and rid the world of reptiles)

all this doesn't matter because the world will end in 2012.









sciencefriction
03.30.09 - 4:05 pm

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Sorry but there is a big difference in my mind between judging a person and judging a cop. were talking about people who are known liars stick up for them selfs. and are though of as more importent people in the eyes of judges then you and I. and considering they can ruine your life with one little lie. I put a lot more negitive judgement on them then your average person. maybe it more the system then the actual person. but when it a known fact thet they will never go againt another cop it can be a scarry thought.



buckchin
03.30.09 - 4:20 pm

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exactly trickimillia.




aksendz
03.30.09 - 4:23 pm

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all this doesn't matter because the world will end in 2012.

+1

lolz in my pantz

This is a stupid conversation if you replace the word biker with cop in the following sentence it still holds true.

A few bad bikers will spoil it for everyone and give bikers a bad name.

What you need to do is act in a respectful manner and know your rights..You have the right to ride a bicycle.



roadkill
03.30.09 - 4:26 pm

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@Patrick, yeah human instinct is to "surround the wagons and protect yourselves", but no other employment other than law enforcement, where someone is so directly in charge of someone's life as a police officer. No other employment I can think of where you are sworn to uphold the law and protect the innocent. With that come the responsibility of doing the right thing. I hold someone with that power to a higher standard, than someone that is maybe looking the other way for his boss, while they sell products that are stolen, for example. It's little comfort to hear that you don't seem to.

@poodle, How did you arrive to the conclusion, "what you're arguing is that every single person who becomes a police officer automatically becomes bad."? I haven't a clue how you could have possibly make that conclusion. Did you read the link I posted above? It reads in part,

· 79% said that a law enforcement Code of Silence exists and is fairly common throughout the nation.

· 52% said that the fact a Code of Silence exists doesn’t really bother them.

· 24% said the Code of Silence is more justified when excessive force involves a citizen who’s abusive.

· 46% said they would not tell on another officer for having sex on duty.

· 23% said they wouldn’t tell on another cop for regularly smoking marijuana off duty.

There's more, it's best that you just read it for yourself. Also re-evaluate on what is being posted by me, if you can.





User1
03.30.09 - 4:36 pm

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AND I'm a white person, I couldn't even imagine what its like to be someone of color dealing with the cops all the time.

Well, as far as that goes, I myself could count on my fingers the amounts of time I've been hassled by the cops.
In all my life, it's been a total of 8 times, and it was usually because of some stupid shit like parking blocking traffic with a semi, dancing in an underground parking garage and other things of that nature.

The rest of the time, I'm seen as just an average, Joe Schmuck and I'm out of their head for good, and sometimes I'm usually the darkest guy riding in any particular group.

I'm guessing it all depends on how you act, when and where, those sort of things.

I'll say this though, LAPD, LASD, and numerous other municipal departments "down the hill" are far better to approach than San Bernardino Co deputies.
While I was able to get a positive response to questions from numerous personnel in those areas, San Bernardino Sheriff's deputies alienate anyone who isn't one of them.





bentstrider
03.30.09 - 4:44 pm

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+1 to your original post Trickmilla, always on the ball.



kryxtanicole
03.30.09 - 6:34 pm

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Big +1 to you trickmilla, for your well-reasoned and well-articulated views.
Also a +1 for your words fuzzbeast.. wherever you go, there you are.

As far as cops go, I have had a very good experience in LA.
I've been driving a motorcycle here for the better part of a decade and been pulled over at least a dozen times. I have convinced officers to let me go with a warning on nearly half of these occasions! Even when I was pulled for drag racing (!) the cop was very polite and respectful.

They have a dirty job to do, and they get dirty sometimes. They're still people underneath, and they always respond favorably to a respectful attitude. IMHO.




adamthelizard
03.30.09 - 7:16 pm

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Blame it on the rain.



Joe Borfo
03.30.09 - 8:02 pm

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You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip.



Joe Borfo
03.30.09 - 8:02 pm

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There's no time like the present.



Joe Borfo
03.30.09 - 8:03 pm

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The grass is always greener on the other side.



Joe Borfo
03.30.09 - 8:04 pm

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Caught between a rock and a hard place.



Joe Borfo
03.30.09 - 8:05 pm

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.



Joe Borfo
03.30.09 - 8:05 pm

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You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.



Joe Borfo
03.30.09 - 8:06 pm

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Ride On !



Joe Borfo
03.30.09 - 8:06 pm

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tl:dr



patrickviolence
03.30.09 - 8:14 pm

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F. U. N. !



Joe Borfo
03.30.09 - 8:14 pm

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IN YER MOUF !



Joe Borfo
03.30.09 - 8:15 pm

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T.W.B.G.



jonnyboy
03.30.09 - 8:58 pm

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westsidazz



jonnyboy
03.30.09 - 8:59 pm

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You can't change the spots on a leopard.



jonnyboy
03.30.09 - 9:00 pm

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in the heat of battle




User1
03.30.09 - 9:02 pm

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Been there... done that




User1
03.30.09 - 9:02 pm

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on the edge of your seat




User1
03.30.09 - 9:03 pm

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bite the hand that feeds you




User1
03.30.09 - 9:03 pm

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handwriting on the wall




User1
03.30.09 - 9:04 pm

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place your cards on the table




User1
03.30.09 - 9:04 pm

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T.W.B.G.

jonnyboy
03.30.09 - 11:58 pm

What about it?



Graham
03.30.09 - 9:04 pm

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live and let live




User1
03.30.09 - 9:04 pm

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whatever rings your bells




User1
03.30.09 - 9:04 pm

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heart-to-heart talk




User1
03.30.09 - 9:05 pm

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out of sight, out of mind




User1
03.30.09 - 9:05 pm

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Let your conscience be your guide




User1
03.30.09 - 9:06 pm

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Fit as a fiddle




User1
03.30.09 - 9:06 pm

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put on my pants one leg at a time




User1
03.30.09 - 9:06 pm

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i hate hearing when people get all mad cuz a cop gave them a ticket for running a red light. i hear things like fuck cops and blah blah blah. look you ran a red light. you got caught. face it. the cop is only doing his job.

trickmilla is my new hero.



funanu
03.30.09 - 9:08 pm

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when the cows come home





User1
03.30.09 - 9:08 pm

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That's what she said....
=0



madmike
03.30.09 - 9:08 pm

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Cops "always respond favorably to a respectful attitude, IMHO"? I can only hope you phrased it that way because you couldn't find a cute acronym for "in my limited experience."



PC
03.30.09 - 10:38 pm

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yeah, the cops that harass me are usually dicks, though a few of them have been polite, and a few of them have been plain stupid.

but most police are very nice and caring people. they dont fuck with you, though, so you dont know theyre there.

the most important thing to remember is that User1 is always wrong. of course, all of you who made it out to 328 already know this.



tortuga_veloce
03.30.09 - 11:01 pm

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how was user1 wrong about 328?



ruinedbyidiots
03.30.09 - 11:06 pm

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You don't have to go to 328 to know that User 1 is always wrong.



PC
03.31.09 - 1:08 am

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13% refused to answer the question about if a Midnight Ridazz Code of Silence exists and is fairly common throughout the Ridazz nation.

· 86% said that if there was a Code of Silence it doesn’t really bother them.

· 69% said the Code of Silence is more justified when excessive force is used against an asshole driver.

· 73% said they would not tell on another ridaa for having sex on duty. (the other 27% said they would take pictures or it didn't happen).

· 100% said they wouldn’t tell on another ridaa for regularly smoking marijuana off duty.





trickmilla
03.31.09 - 2:23 am

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Joe Borfo
03.31.09 - 3:11 am

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101.1 percent were starting to get tired of bad, facile analogies and went back to the THREE WORD MAX thread.



PC
03.31.09 - 3:12 am

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PC always has me going back to the dictionary.
For the other 83% of simi-literate people ...

fac·ile
Pronunciation:
ˈfa-səl
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French, from Latin facilis, from facere to do — more at do
Date: 15th century

1 a (1): easily accomplished or attained (2): shallow , simplistic b: used or comprehended with ease c: readily manifested and often lacking sincerity or depth
2archaic : mild or pleasing in manner or disposition
3 a: ready , fluent b: poised , assured
synonyms see easy
— fac·ile·ly -sə(l)-lē adverb
— fac·ile·ness -səl-nəs noun






trickmilla
03.31.09 - 10:47 am

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do you say that the same way as it's pronounced in French? (fass-eel)

c'est farces sont tres facile!



canadienne
03.31.09 - 11:01 am

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@Trickmilla

+1million

People grow huge cojones while sitting behind a computer screen.

Others prefer the good old hit & run in a public setting. Usually surrounded by 20 of their friends...

Very few will pull that shit while staring you in the eye...face to face...man to man...

Only about half of that "Very Few" will accept a cigarette from you and calm the fuck down...

The remaining half of that "Very Few" get a boot broken off in their ass...

I never had to break my foot off in anyone's ass.

I always keep cigarettes handy.







el_spaniard
03.31.09 - 11:24 am

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You're paying for prisons.
You're paying for war.
You're paying for lobotomies.
You're paying for law.
You're paying for their order.
You're paying for their murder.
Paying for your ticket
To watch the farce.

Knowing you've made you're contribution
To the systems fucked solution,
To their political pollution.
No chance of revolution.
No chance of change.
You've got no range.

Don't just take it.
Don't take their shit.
Don't' play their game.
Don't take their blame.
USE YOUR OWN HEAD.
Your turn instead.

It's not apologise. It's not economise.
It's not make do. It's not pull through.
It's not take it. It's not make it.
It's not just you. It's not madmen.
It's not difficult. It's not behave.
It's not, oh well, just this once.
It's fucking impossible.
It's fucking unbearable.
It's fucking stupid.
FUCKING STUPID.



coldcut
03.31.09 - 9:03 pm

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free thinking is dangerous. follow the law. submit to your leaders. do what you're told. enjoy your false sense of freedom.



coldcut
03.31.09 - 9:22 pm

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it's funny to generalize and stereotype the people you're telling not to stereotype cops. because we all know if someone has a dissenting view about authority they've got to be "thug life" and uneducated, right?

right....


"if constructing the future and settling everything for all times are not our affair, it is all the more clear what we have to accomplish at present: I am referring to ruthless criticism of all that exists, ruthless both in the sense of not being afraid of the results it arrives at and in the sense of being just as little afraid of conflict with the powers that be." arnold ruge




coldcut
03.31.09 - 9:34 pm

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Plus ten. If mindless cop-snuggling isn't actually worse than mindless cop-bashing, it's certainly more pathetic and embarrassing.



PC
03.31.09 - 9:58 pm

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@coldcut

Have you ever lived in a third world country run by a dictator?



el_spaniard
03.31.09 - 9:59 pm

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i don't judge countries based on economic and industrial development, so "third world" is absent from my vocabulary.




coldcut
03.31.09 - 10:09 pm

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You have to understand that cops deal with dicks all day who give them nothing but shit, so you have to start your encounter with the police the way that you want it to go. Yes sir, no sir responses with no attitude or snide remarks go a long way..ive been pulled over a million times and never had a bad experience just by being polite. it would be like someone walking up to you and saying fuck you, your a dumbass and i hate you, now how about them mets...you would give a fuck what they said to you after that you would just be pissed and not wanna listen to them.



TAG5
03.31.09 - 10:17 pm

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@Coldcut

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Trujillo

My grandparents lived under the rule of that guy.

Back then, you and your family could disappear off the island for talking the way you do.

Even now, if you rub some people the wrong...the police over there "te limpian el pico".

So, although you may believe our government and those working for it are a bunch of jack-booted thugs...you get a lot of freedom in the US.

Hell, your on here promoting anarchy...I can sleep tonight knowing no one will come knocking on your door tonight

=]





el_spaniard
03.31.09 - 10:20 pm

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I fucked that post up, haha^^^



el_spaniard
03.31.09 - 10:24 pm

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Yeah, because it's not like dissent gets suppressed over here.



PC
03.31.09 - 10:28 pm

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And don't worry, the post you fucked up was asking for it. It had a bad attitude. If it had only called you "sir," it wouldn't be in the hospital right now.



PC
03.31.09 - 10:30 pm

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@PC

I like it when you talk to me like that big boy...



el_spaniard
03.31.09 - 10:33 pm

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no one should have to worry about disappearing for the way they think.

some of my family fled el salvador in the early 80's. some of them stayed behind and were consequently killed by the government this country supported.



coldcut
03.31.09 - 10:40 pm

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but i must admit, i am truly grateful for the few freedoms i have.



coldcut
03.31.09 - 10:48 pm

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@Coldcut

Dude, this country has a very sketchy past. Anyone who doesn't know this is fucking blind.

The native americans, slavery, internment camps, Vietnam...

And all kinds of other shady business...

But compared to other places you could be living...it ain't all that bad here.

And I know more than most people, the type of shady shit that goes on in Law Enforcement. But there is one thing that Law Enforcement, Corrections, and every body else on that scene does that I am almost positive you are unwilling to do...and thats deal with the scum of this earth.

I don't think you can fathom the type of demented shit officers see during their career. Not to mention the type of people they send to jail...OVER AND OVER again.

So its no wonder they are not looking forward to CRANK MOB every month. Or they get pissed when some ridazz do stupid shit. The kind of jovial shit you guys get yourselves into is nothing compared to the bigger shit they deal with on almost a daily basis (especially LAPD).

I could shower you with stories that would blow your mind.

Either way, I left that business for a reason...I got sick of it...I got sick of dealing with fucking idiots on a daily basis. Not to mention I saw enough fucked up shit to keep me awake for a couple of years...

I'll leave that job up to someone else.







el_spaniard
03.31.09 - 10:53 pm

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i understand people exist who literally have no morals whatsoever, so i can see the need for someone who has to deal with them. i just don't think they should be beaten on, killed, and sent to a prison where their brains will rot or they'll be conditioned to become even more violent. i also don't think regular people should be confused with the latter. or yet, accused of being.




coldcut
03.31.09 - 11:32 pm

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the entire world has a sketchy past.



coldcut
03.31.09 - 11:33 pm

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This country has a sketchy present. Vicious cops, who behave viciously before you have a chance to sir or ma'am them, are a part of it.



PC
04.1.09 - 1:08 am

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we might not have a future to sketch



aksendz
04.1.09 - 1:23 am

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Perhaps one to chisel???



bentstrider
04.1.09 - 1:28 am

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Smile.
Its contagious.



trickmilla
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man-o-lo!
04.1.09 - 3:05 am

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...and just because there are worse places on Earth, doesn't mean we cannot work together to make this arguably better place even better.



FuzzBeast
04.1.09 - 5:22 am

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The root of the problem is education. If this country spent half of the military budget on education the crime rate would drop dramatically and the cops wouldn't have to be all stressed out dealing with crime in the streets. They could start focusing more on white collar crime.



Roadblock
04.1.09 - 5:41 am

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And if we quit sticking non-violent drug-offenders into the prison-industrial system...



adamthelizard
04.1.09 - 10:08 am

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+1 Roadblock.
Not to be all "Canada's got the right idea"... but... Canada's got the right idea.



canadienne
04.1.09 - 10:20 am

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You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney present during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you. Do you understand these rights? You also have the right to have your balls kicked in. Dot Com.



Joe Borfo
04.1.09 - 11:22 am

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@canadienne

+1, paisan.



tortuga_veloce
04.1.09 - 11:25 am

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Huukd awn fonix werkd 4 mi!!!!!!!!!



bentstrider
04.1.09 - 11:30 am

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Cops are pigs not people...



Debut213
04.1.09 - 5:53 pm

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Well, what were they before taking the written tests, passing the background, physical and psych tests?

As easy as it may seem to everyone, it's not exactly a fucking cake-walk to join the force.

Hell, just to be a security-guard, or even a hall-monitor requires a relatively clean background to be certified.
Truck-driving used to be a job anyone could do, but then when DHS/TSA stepped in to take control of HAZMAT licensing, the pool just got shallow.






bentstrider
04.1.09 - 6:33 pm

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Agreed, their pigs with clean backgrounds.....



Debut213
04.1.09 - 6:35 pm

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no they arent.



ruinedbyidiots
04.1.09 - 6:36 pm

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Yes they are



Debut213
04.1.09 - 6:37 pm

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for you, bentstrider.



coldcut
04.1.09 - 6:37 pm

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I already took quite, good care of myself when I was doing over-the-road.
My only gripe about not having that job right now is due to this conclusion....

I hate being in the same area of the country for a large amount of time.
2 weeks in the Southeast, another week in the Midwest, and another week in Pacific Northwest up near Washington/Idaho/etc., were the best things that kept my mind refreshed.

And as for you, debut, I'll actually agree with you on one thing right now.
If Swift and a police department were either going to hire/rehire me on the same day, I'd take my Swift driving-position back in a heartbeat.




bentstrider
04.1.09 - 6:45 pm

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