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Obama's High Speed Network deserves it's own props.
Thread started by Noble Experiment at 04.16.09 - 10:43 am



I could cry. If there's a suburban rail system included for metropolitan areas as well, I could jump for joy.

Props to Obama.

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MAP OF ROUTES I'm really excited about the routes they're talking about. Both of my states get good lovin... Also the East coast is gonna be so easy to maneuver. No more sketchy $8 Chinatown Buses with potential bodies underneath...



SKIDMARCUS
04.16.09 - 11:06 am

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jus dew it!



User1
04.16.09 - 11:52 am

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We need to build one from LA to SD and LA to Vegas.
VEGAS RIDAZZ !!! WOOT WOOT!!



sexy
04.16.09 - 11:53 am

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LA to Vegas seems to be a big missed opportunity in many people's views.

As for LA to SD, maybe thats what they intend to do with the big blue line drawn from Los Angeles to San Diego. Its hard to tell. :)



SKIDMARCUS
04.16.09 - 11:57 am

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I'd be chill if a high-speed line can reach San Diego to Ensenada.

We're finally catching up to the world.



Noble Experiment
04.16.09 - 12:05 pm

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Hey who photoshopped that extra line down to san diego?

Gusie this isn't funny, seriously.



sexy
04.16.09 - 4:24 pm

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Now if only they could link the Oregon/Seattle/Vancouver section with the line that terminates in NoCal, that would kick ass!!!



bentstrider
04.16.09 - 4:27 pm

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LA to Vegas seems to be a big missed opportunity in many people's views.


honestly, the casino industry will pay for this one way or another soon enough.



stevestevesteve
04.16.09 - 4:36 pm

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I would be happy if they would just straighten out the track ownership issues between here and San Diego so that the existing trains could run on time.



PC
04.16.09 - 4:38 pm

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who really cares about all that I just want one that goes from the front of my house to the front of PC's residents.



sexy
04.16.09 - 4:41 pm

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Shouldn't you be busy typing up answers to my questions in your ROTW thread?



PC
04.16.09 - 4:49 pm

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Where is the money going to come from to pay for this ?



Dedicated818
04.17.09 - 9:15 am

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"Where is the money going to come from to pay for this ?"

First is the 8 billion from the stimulus, which is small potatoes for epic intercity transportation projects, China by comparison is dumping hundreds of billions in rail every year basically. But there is a budget for federal transportation spending that comes up every 4 years, and this year a new one will be drafted. Presumably if Obama is serious about this, the mode split should be more balanced than in years past where highways got 80%, airlines and airports got most the rest, and Amtrak got the peanuts left over.

hsrplan1

This graph shows the history of federal investment in intercity transportation that was included in the Obama administration's report. That little green sliver at the bottom is for rail.



GarySe7en
04.17.09 - 9:33 am

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Let us keep in mind that freeways were originally intended for military use.
But, after time, many began to forget the definition of "privilege" and began to confuse it with a right.

If anything, measures should be taken to show that the privilege of a motorist could be yanked at anytime should they fuck up.




bentstrider
04.17.09 - 11:31 am

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GarySe7en
04.17.09 - 12:33 pm
This graph shows the history of federal investment in intercity transportation that was included in the Obama administration's report. That little green sliver at the bottom is for rail FAIL.



FTFY



SPOOK
04.17.09 - 11:37 am

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Where did the 8 billion come from?
Was'nt it just printed up and added to the national debt ?



Dedicated818
04.17.09 - 7:31 pm

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The $8 billion dollar question is what I got from the U.S. Government Accountability Office.

www.gao.gov/new.items/d09317.pdf

"The recently enacted American Recovery and Reinvestment of Act of 2009 (ARRA) appropriated $8 billion for high speed rail and intercity passenger rail congestion and capital grants (the latter of which were authorized by the PRIIA), with priority given to projects that support the development of high speed rail service."

Since it's already passed, The stimulus package included high speed rail as a provision under teh ARRA. The first stimulus package Pres. Obama signed a few weeks after he was inagurated. The money for this stimulus had to be by loans or tax revenues or both. Seeing past this IMO, if private enterprise can't help invest in improving our rail infrastructure, then it would be a good time now to put the stimulus package to good use for improving High Speed Rail and commuter and regional rails. If Amtrak is as close as Deutsche Bahn AG in at least 10 years from now, I'd say it was money well invested.



Noble Experiment
04.17.09 - 10:28 pm

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took long enough.

i'll all for it only taking 2.5 hrs to get to san francisco.



tinycities
04.17.09 - 11:08 pm

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Ditto! I would love to do a day trip of San Fransisco with my bike.



SPOOK
04.17.09 - 11:25 pm

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Ditto! I would love to do a day trip of San Fransisco with my bike.



SPOOK
04.17.09 - 11:26 pm

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I would imagine if the high speed rail goes on baby steps beyond the Acela Corridor (Washington to Boston), the first would be Amtrak's second most popular corridor to have the high speed rail, which would be Los Angeles to San Diego and the Capital Corridor, which would be the Bay Area to Sacramento.

Still, This is optimistic news.

I mean we've had these opportunity costs for over 30 years to build new freeways over rail projects and the freeways have proven to be failures. Nobody's buying cars anymore. People can't afford to buy expensive gas and even if it's affordable now, why risk your chances against dangerous drivers. This is the fucking Reagan Revolution for you and yeah it was awesome if you wanted to drive around town in cheap gas, not anymore and we're falling behind in mass rail transit and inter-city transit compared to Asia and Europe.
/rant



Noble Experiment
04.18.09 - 1:38 am

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