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F.U.N.employed?
Thread started by Roadblock at 06.5.09 - 1:50 am

thought this article in today's LA Times was pretty funny and relevant to this community.... haha

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i'll drink to that



snowcone
06.5.09 - 2:00 am

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:D

i miss being funemployed.



Frozen Fingersss
06.5.09 - 2:00 am

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that's the best part about funemployment... you can always come back



Roadblock
responding to a comment by Frozen Fingersss
06.5.09 - 2:02 am

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I love that!

T-minus 2 weeks till my F.U.N.employment.



Gizzard
06.5.09 - 2:07 am

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Hey, I'm not completely funemployed, just funderemployed.



nathansnider
06.5.09 - 2:12 am

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anyone really scared after reading that article?

I am really not surprised why America is becoming a 2nd rate nation everyday.
I mean how egotistical do you have to be to not think of the collective good.




aksendz
responding to a comment by Gizzard
06.5.09 - 2:18 am

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In what sense is working at a soul-deadening job (or for that matter working at a job that you really love) "thinking of the collective good?"

Is unemployment always "egotistical," or only when you Twitter about it?



nathansnider
responding to a comment by aksendz
06.5.09 - 2:31 am

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A majority of the people in this article all seemed to be college grads that opted for office jobs then found out they sucked, but only after they lost them.

Just more and more of a sign I should stick to my chosen guns and wait it out.



bentstrider
06.5.09 - 6:30 am

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hahahahaha.

yeah. +1 nathan.



Frozen Fingersss
responding to a comment by nathansnider
06.5.09 - 9:54 am

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My 6th year anniversary with my employer is coming up in a month. I should move into a shitty cheap apartment and quit my job and just chill all day for a year or so.

Fuck 60 hour work weeks.

I want to be Funemployed!



Mook
responding to a comment by Frozen Fingersss
06.5.09 - 11:39 am

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funemployment=riding every night of the week



steph
responding to a comment by Mook
06.5.09 - 11:41 am

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nathan,

this situation really reminds of me of Aesops fable 'The Grasshoper and the Ant'

i mean I would totally understand if these people worked a while to earn a sizable capitol and could support themselves to be funemployed. in fact that would be beneficial. but when they are living of their parents money, unemployment checks and ect. its counterproductive

think of this scenario, the funemployed is the kid who decided subject X was boring and doesn't want to do his work. so he cheats and coasts by without doing the work and getting the A. how do you think everyone else feels who busted their balls working hard to get the same grade

america is in a freaking recession. and it will take all of us to solve it. i mean what do you say to people like me who return unspent financial aid so it could go back into the system and be used for someone else, or people who don't cheat their taxes, and who donate their time to volunteer and ect.





aksendz
06.5.09 - 11:54 am

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Man, y'all must be living in some dream-land where everything is made out of cheese and wine.



bentstrider
06.5.09 - 11:55 am

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Anton did you even read the article? You really missed the mark on this one, in my opinion. And no, it's not about cheating. And no, we can't "solve the recession" if millions of people who can't get jobs. Sure, some people quit their jobs, but take it from someone who's had some more life experience (that would be lots of people in your case) - The rat race is shitty. You work 40-80 hours a week to get ahead and then people lose sight of what's really important and aren't there for the moments in life that they would really treasure, and overall people are building relationships with others around them, they're just turning into freaking drone zombies, and everything they do becomes meaningless but to feed the machine of capitalism. I'm not an anarchist, I don't hate capitalism, but it's depressing to see people get sucked into it or sold some bullshit american dream about going to college, getting a good job, and retiring at 65. It does not happen that way, not anymore. I have friends in their 70's who still continue working because they must after being good people, continuing to work hard and dedicate themselves to the "American Dream". Don't be so naive.



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by aksendz
06.5.09 - 12:27 pm

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Shit, I need to edit some things here:

And no, we can't "solve the recession" if millions of people can't get jobs...
...and overall people AREN'T building relationships with others around them, they're just turning into freaking drone zombies, and everything they do becomes meaningless EXCEPT to feed the machine of capitalism. I'm not an anarchist...
I have friends in their 70's who still continue working because they must after being good people, continuing to work hard and dedicating themselves to the "American Dream". Don't be so naive!



kryxtanicole
06.5.09 - 12:31 pm

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it is just about pulling your collective weight and having the balance of work and play.

and I do agree that the am. deam is bullshit but that doesn't mean we can throw our arms up and do what ever we want. life is about hardships. the harder your work the more rewarding the weekend is.

i mean if you look at this holistically and think beyond this article this is why we are failing as a country. because we think we can spend what we don't have, we think we would be taken care of. americans live in a fucking bubble.

for the same reason, this is why our edu. system sucks. parents bitch that 'school is too long, the backpacks are too heavy, the teachers are incompetent.' what kind of bs is that. there are kids in other nations who spend 2/3 of their day in school.





aksendz
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
06.5.09 - 12:49 pm

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actually, I think aksendz has a point.

As much as I agree you shouldn't settle for a job you hate, there is a certain amount of social responsibility to work. It's not just a sole matter of spending more than what you have, but a HUGE part of resolving this shitty economy (especially in the long term) has to do with SAVING. Even if you are working, and just getting by... you're going to be a big problem for the country when you're old and not working. You'll be relying on social services and other peoples' tax money instead of your own retirement savings plan.

So even if you think you're doing fine, making enough money to be FUNemployed, you're screwing yourself and everyone else out of a stable economic future.



canadienne
responding to a comment by aksendz
06.5.09 - 1:00 pm

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I don't really know any parents who bitch about the schools like this.

Anyways, as far as the 'collective good' goes, don't you realize that working isn't for the 'collective good' nearly as much as it is for the good of those above you in the system? We're raised to feed in the system of the 40 hour work week so the economy can function, but the economy caters to the top 5%. THEY don't work 40 hour work weeks, and some of them never have; after inheriting companies from their family.

You fail to realize that the reason america is failing has very little to do with the middle and lower class families, and everything to do with irresponsibility from those with the most money, the politicians who failed to adequately legislate, and the BANKS. Because the BANKS and wallstreet, not the goddamn working class america, is why we are in a failing country.

The audacity to be upset at someone who isn't feeding into the daily grind of dreary existence that's considered the american dream, the audacity to blame them for the failings of the nation, is absurd. You should be able to do damn well what you please with your life, and I'm glad there are people who are not working.



Hattitude
responding to a comment by aksendz
06.5.09 - 1:04 pm

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In response to making school more acceptable to kids in this country, I still say that we should re-institute ass-whoopings inflicted on bully-like students.

This way, the ones that don't want to learn and cause problems for everyone else could be put to work in the fields.
Those that want to learn will have less of a distraction to bother with and be able to retain knowledge easier than the funny-farm they're dealing with today.

And if people want to have a more enjoyable work life, then saving money for that big purchase and lower taxes on all scales should be looked highly upon.

Shit tends to go down hill alot faster when most of your income is either swallowed by some enormous, property or income tax assessment.
Then there's the interest tacked onto heavy loans that some get suckered into.



bentstrider
responding to a comment by aksendz
06.5.09 - 1:09 pm

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First of all, plenty of people contribute to the social good without ever seeing any profit for their efforts. Any protest, any community organization, the bike co-ops we have...people aren't making money off of that. Any volunteer organization. TONS of people dedicate themselves to causes that aren't income-oriented. These people wouldn't be able to give that level of contribution if they were bound to their jobs.

As far as SAVING, yes, that absolutely needs to happen. I know this thoroughly because I spent several years in working in finance, consulting middle-income families and small business owners. But they're not getting what they aspired to become and have and not able to spend time with their families because they were sold a lie. People spend too much because they were taught to and manipulated by banks and creditors. It's considered a right in America, fucked up, yes...but that is not what this article or discussion is about.

Why dedicate yourself to a job when your employers will cut you off without considering the contribution you've made, the enhancements you've made, or the future of your family? Plenty of people have worked hard and gotten screwed anyway. Tens of millions, actually.

I'm all for hard work, but why should it be at the expense of my quality of life? Or at the expense of my community that I can't contribute to if I'm bound to a meaningless job where the contribution is both unfulfilling and not for the good of all?

Try to reading this for a start, but don't comment on it unless you read it to the end:
http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/17-06/nep_newsocialism





kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by Hattitude
06.5.09 - 1:25 pm

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the reason america is failing has very little to do with the middle and lower class families, and everything to do with irresponsibility from those with the most money

This is probably the worst argument (if you can call it that) I've ever heard.
Show your face Mr. 06.05.09

Sure, the people in power are dumbfucks for giving citizens loans they can never repay, but to completely pass the buck and say that middle and lower class families have nothing to do with the problem is plain stupid. People should know better than to spend what they don't have, like they do. It's fucking common sense.

Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty damn left wing... but your argument is uninformed babble without any truth to it. Blame the system man! Blame the SYSTEM! Whether you like it or not, you're part of system... whether you think you're participating or not.



canadienne
responding to a comment by Hattitude
06.5.09 - 1:40 pm

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I agree that people who live to work are just as crazy as those who choose to coast through life as a burden on others, without making any kind of responsible effort.

It's all about balance. Responsible, but not a slave to your career.



canadienne
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
06.5.09 - 1:43 pm

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"unspent financial aid so it could go back into the system and be used for someone else"

LOL I'd say you are smart for decreasing the size of your debt. but are you really trying to imply that you had an altruistic reason behind returning your unused financial aid money? you gotta pay it back someday it's smart to pay it back sooner rather than later no?



Roadblock
responding to a comment by aksendz
06.5.09 - 1:44 pm

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i support funemployment.



666
06.5.09 - 1:49 pm

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krysta, those people are still working though.
its not for income but its work.





aksendz
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
06.5.09 - 1:50 pm

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I think he might be referring to CalGrants, or some other form of aid that doesn't have to be paid back.



bentstrider
responding to a comment by Roadblock
06.5.09 - 1:50 pm

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"the reason america is failing has very little to do with the middle and lower class families, and everything to do with irresponsibility from those with the most money"


I would have to agree with this statement. He's not saying that the upper class is the only group to blame, but it mostly IS their doing.

America is the land of the golden rule. They who have the gold make the rules. It's been that way for generations now, and each year that money influence chips away at the ideals this country is supposed to stand for... how do you get heard in this country? with money, how do you get elected? with money... that just doesnt ever serve the people it serves the richest people. the country in terms of the middle class is on a down swing. money is what gets things done and less and less it is going to be people until the point where the system falls apart and people revolt against the rich... it happens when countries go communist. a critical mass of people finally decide they've got nothing to lose and they take the small group of the elites and overthrow them. this is the same pattern that plays itself out over the centuries with any empire.



Roadblock
responding to a comment by canadienne
06.5.09 - 1:51 pm

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aid and grants are two different things so if aksends wants to clarify....



Roadblock
responding to a comment by bentstrider
06.5.09 - 1:52 pm

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I agree with what you're saying: America is ruled by those with money and not with brains.

But what I'm saying is that the majority of the people without money were not using their brains either.



canadienne
responding to a comment by Roadblock
06.5.09 - 1:56 pm

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Anything with the word "loan", you run far, far away from.

I did receive a Stafford Loan for trucking school, but my 13 months of employment under Swift erased that immediately.



bentstrider
responding to a comment by Roadblock
06.5.09 - 1:59 pm

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"But what I'm saying is that the majority of the people without money were not using their brains either."

while it is true that the richest people in our country are for the most part highly educated, having brains is not automatically going to equate to power to change. and with education funding dwindling every generation for even the middle class.... it becomes a self fullfilling prophecy.... as I read recently in an article in Change Links by Thomas Hartman... America has transitioned from a made in the usa economy to a can I have some fries with that economy. the lack of proper funding for our education system i churning out a bunch of unskilled ronald mcdonald hopefuls...



Roadblock
responding to a comment by canadienne
06.5.09 - 2:03 pm

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Actually, this is my first account, I am showing my face.

Of course everyone is in part to blame, but the society we live in allows, and promotes excessive spending; even when we don't have the money. Also, spending money you don't have ISN'T common sense, because when you need to get a house, for instance, and you can't possibly make enough money to by it outright, you NEED to take out a loan. Speaking once again to the american dream, having your own house is definitely fundamental in this ideal and buying a house large enough for say, a 5 person family, isn't easy to do on your own.

The interest rates on a lot of these loans started low, then bloody skyrocketed. It's not a matter of common sense, it's a matter of greed and shady business practices.

As far as blaming the system goes, you deconstructing my argument into a generic view point, calling it uninformed babble is ignorant, and being part of the system does not make it any more or less fucked up.

Back to the original argument though, that you ought to work for the collective good of society, let me take my argument one step further. Let's say you're working an office job, right? 40 hours, making a good base line wage of say, 16-18 an hour, marketing or perhaps sales. How does this job really benefit the good of the people? Does selling cruises for instance better anyone? How about up selling homeowners insurance. I'd argue that most jobs do NOT help the collective good at all, and all they serve to do is give you money to spend in excess on things that also hinder more than help society.

There are of course exceptions, but the uninformed babble in this scenario is the firm belief that working 40 hours a week for some corporation is good for the world. That's absurd. Things that truly benefit society do not pay us for it, and by those standards if you're unemployed you probably have more time to help people out.

Anyways, next time you want to attack my points at least look at my word choice, thanks.



Hattitude
responding to a comment by canadienne
06.5.09 - 2:12 pm

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I definitely agree with that. It is clear that the education system here is a joke.
But still, I'm reluctant to take on the "it's your fault I'm stupid!" mentality with this issue. And I'll tell you why. I never learned in school that I shouldn't spend what I don't have. I did learn that if I worked hard, I would be rewarded... but that isn't something they taught necessarily. Some things just reveal themselves in living, and it becomes common sense.



canadienne
responding to a comment by Roadblock
06.5.09 - 2:14 pm

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pell grant
if my gpa was 0.1 higher it would be cal grant as well



aksendz
06.5.09 - 2:16 pm

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I have to agree with canadienne
its unproductive to blame others for your stupiditiy

i fell through the cracks of the lausd untill i hit the bottom when i was rejected by almost every college. i knew it was my fault and i made changes now i'm at smc and getting good grades and a semester ahead of my hs graduating class.





aksendz
responding to a comment by canadienne
06.5.09 - 2:18 pm

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It's really easy to say that, but you have to understand that they were promised rates that changed, and the value on their homes plummeted leaving them in hard times. The crash that occurred had a lot to do with sub prime mortgages. People's loan rates changed and then they defaulted which made the value of other homes decrease blablabla.

For an average family loans are important. If you were married with three children would you want to live ins a 2 bed 2 bath house? Well if you're the average american that's really what you can afford (depending of course on location.) The average family brings in 45,000 a year. A small 3 bedroom in los angeles for instance is 200,000... so if you really have to take a loan. You can say it's common sense, but really, it's not.



Hattitude
responding to a comment by canadienne
06.5.09 - 2:23 pm

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Well, if I ever do get property of my own, it's going to involve living near a river with some acreage and a cozy trailer.

First thing to do is get educated in another, sought after skill and then strike it rich in a cheap area.

If you really want something, but don't have a lot of money, settle for a fixer-upper like I tel alot of people.

Those thousands of cookie-cutter, suburban tract-homes are built like shit and aren't worth the $100,000+ they were ever advertised for.



bentstrider
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06.5.09 - 2:30 pm

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TL:DR - Almost everybody is greedy and stupid.

"the reason america is failing has very little to do with the middle and lower class families, and everything to do with irresponsibility from those with the most money"

Unfortunately, as much as I favor the free market system, this is absolutely true.

EVERYBODY got greedy, and instead of the banks doing what responsible banks should, and limit the greed of the middle and lower classes by granting them only the amount of credit that they could reasonable expect to pay back, they offered millions of people WAY more money than they could ever expect to pay back in their lifetime, because they could take that debt, sell it to China and the Middle East (because the rating agencies said it was safe, despite it's inherent problems), and make money on all sides of the deal. It all worked, until somebody realized that investing in debt given to people that could never pay it back, who were buying homes that weren't really worth anywhere near what they were paying, was kind of a bad idea.

This pretty much explains it all:
http://www.thislife.org/extras/radio/355_transcript.pdf



JB
06.5.09 - 2:32 pm

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the society we live in allows, and promotes excessive spending; even when we don't have the money.

Yes. I agree. This is the fault of greedy people. That's advertising for you.

when you need to get a house, for instance, and you can't possibly make enough money to by it outright, you NEED to take out a loan.

I agree with this point too. Nobody has hundreds of thousands of dollars lying around. But I also think that there's a lot of planning required pay off debt. And houses aren't the only issue. Cars, HD televisions, you name it... people buy it because you DON'T PAY A CENT FOR 2 WHOLE YEARS! And soon enough, you're living in, driving, watching, and wearing things you don't actually own. It's a dangerous mentality that North America has adopted... and everyone's to blame.

Back to the original argument though, that you ought to work for the collective good of society, let me take my argument one step further. Let's say you're working an office job, right? 40 hours, making a good base line wage of say, 16-18 an hour, marketing or perhaps sales. How does this job really benefit the good of the people?

I think you're under the impression that unless you have some super awesome altruistic job, you're not benefiting society. You obviously did not read MY post either. If you did, you would consider that a person working in sales who is supporting himself and saving for his future will not be a drain on public resources when he ages. Whether or not the cruises he's selling make any kind of direct difference in anyone's life, the fact that he's being responsible by supporting himself and saving means that he's indirectly improving the country's economic situation.

So yes. working 40 hours a week IS good for the world. Now excuse me while I get back to work.



canadienne
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06.5.09 - 2:44 pm

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http://www.yahoo.com/s/1081500
interesting read on the 10 hardest jobs to fill





aksendz
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06.5.09 - 2:46 pm

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How does this job really benefit the good of the people? Let's see...

1. You work to increase the company's revenue. Companies pay taxes based on income. Taxes serve the government which presumably serves the collective good.

2. You earn income. You pay taxes. Taxes serve the government to serve the collective good.. The greater your income the more heavily you're taxed.

3. You earn income. You buy stuff with that income. Those sales generate income that contributes to another company's bottom line. That company pays taxes.

4. You earn income. You buy stuff with that income. You (sometimes) pay taxes on the stuff that you buy. Taxes serve the government to serve the collective good.

5. You work to contribute to the company's bottom line, enabling the company to expand and hire more employees. See above.

6. Thanks to anti-trust laws, healthy competition ensues, allowing more companies to enter the market and create new ideas, which create newer ideas, companies based on those newer ideas.

The above facts ignore the fact that working for certain corporations that are intended to help the common good to begin with helps the common good.

Collective good = $$ for those who can't afford health insurance, $$ for financial aid and loans, $$ for the elderly, $$ for those unlucky people, $$ for the poor (including those too lazy to work and instead whine and complain about how their lives suck and/or how everyone else is to blame for their misery)



azn invazn
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06.5.09 - 2:48 pm

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Drivers, specifically truck drivers, being one of the hardest positions to fill?

If anything, they should just take that out of there due to the low volumes of freight available.
I remember back in '03 to '07, I could've been involved in the same accident I had and still got a driving job with a decent company almost overnight.

Now alot of transportation companies require the "3-year" rule, and some even require 5+ years of actual driving experience.

As for the engineering and nursing shortages, lack of education funding could be a major contributor to this problem.
Large-ass class-sizes equals enormous amounts of distraction as far as I'm concerned.



bentstrider
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06.5.09 - 3:11 pm

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I want me some funemployment. Just imagine what i could do with all that free time. I gotta find away to get laid off soon.........



Debut213
06.5.09 - 3:20 pm

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You're too loyal of an employee to do that now, Jean.





bentstrider
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06.5.09 - 3:24 pm

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SRSLY guise, where did you get the stupid idea that working for a private employer is "contributing to the common good?" You don't live in the USSR.

Employment is a contract between employers and employees mediated by something that resembles a market. If the employer cannot offer competitive employment terms to employees there's no reason why employees should take their uncompetitive offer. Then the employers will outsource that economic function to China or India where people get more benefit out of it anyway.

I mean, you were going to spend your hard-earned money on weed and ipods anyway.

Oh yeah, I am so looking forward to my funderemployment trip to Oregon. Working remotely + billing as few hours as I want = win.



vladster
06.5.09 - 3:26 pm

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Oh yeah, I am so looking forward to my funderemployment trip to Oregon. Working remotely + billing as few hours as I want = win.

That's how my last trips to Oregon felt, dropping the trailer, then telling the D/M I would wait for an out-trip with more miles under it.






bentstrider
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06.5.09 - 3:32 pm

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I want to be a bum.



imachynna
06.5.09 - 3:34 pm

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I'm not a loyal employee, i just need to have a certain level of income inorder to mantain my type of life style. Being an adult can suck at times. then again only being able to pay biils and having no money in my pocket really really blows hard. Funemployment might not be that much fun in the long run.



Debut213
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06.5.09 - 3:40 pm

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Of course you are.



bentstrider
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06.5.09 - 3:41 pm

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I was being sarcastic about the whole thing, all I care about is working enough hours to have money to get all my other shit done with.

But, it gets kind of hard when you live in a house where one person can't work, and the other does not want to work.




bentstrider
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06.5.09 - 3:44 pm

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F.U.N.employment is that fucken wow



andres84
06.5.09 - 3:45 pm

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chynna aren't you a bum?



steph
responding to a comment by andres84
06.5.09 - 3:46 pm

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chynna not so much



andres84
responding to a comment by steph
06.5.09 - 3:46 pm

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Ah yeah, I guess you could say that.
But I want to be a bum later too.



imachynna
responding to a comment by steph
06.5.09 - 3:50 pm

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if i was a real bum id have a bum mansion.

a 3 story box, the finest one dollar beer, and a faithful street dog.

that would be the life for a cruss bum



andres84
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06.5.09 - 3:55 pm

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i'm a starving artist, but damn do i love my life at the moment.

System, system, system.
Deprived of any hope.
System, system, system.
Taught they couldn't cope.
System, system, system.
Slaves right from the start.
System, system, system.
Til death do them part.





coldcut
06.5.09 - 3:56 pm

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it always come back to crass, doesnt it?



ruinedbyidiots
06.5.09 - 4:01 pm

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hahahaha.

you could say that.



coldcut
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06.5.09 - 4:03 pm

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if you study and work hard maybe you can be a bum.
but remember it takes a long time and lots of ass kissing to reach that prestigious position.



aksendz
responding to a comment by imachynna
06.5.09 - 4:07 pm

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i want to be a junkie when i grow up.



coldcut
responding to a comment by aksendz
06.5.09 - 4:10 pm

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you're already over qualified

<3



aksendz
responding to a comment by coldcut
06.5.09 - 4:13 pm

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the junkie title takes time and effort to perfect. some schooling and a lil foaming at the mouth




andres84
responding to a comment by coldcut
06.5.09 - 4:14 pm

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M'mmm, I never knew wearing dirty clothes and not bathing was such a prestigious occupation.

Eh, I'd rather remain the quiet bystander and watch the ass-hattery unfold.



bentstrider
06.5.09 - 4:19 pm

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Bums don't study or work hard, are you crazy?



imachynna
06.5.09 - 4:23 pm

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According to the last psych eval, I was.



bentstrider
responding to a comment by imachynna
06.5.09 - 4:24 pm

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Sorry that was for Aksendz, AKA norida.



imachynna
responding to a comment by bentstrider
06.5.09 - 4:31 pm

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chynnna....it was a joke....



aksendz
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06.5.09 - 4:38 pm

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i'm stoked to be funemployed. I couldn't have gotten in these awesome night rides with bicykillers and wolfpack if i was working. I'm just scared for when the unemployment runs out.



onemanstrash
06.5.09 - 5:37 pm

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NO JOKES
REAL BUMS



imachynna
responding to a comment by aksendz
06.5.09 - 5:39 pm

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"EVERYBODY got greedy, and instead of the banks doing what responsible banks should, and limit the greed of the middle and lower classes "


L O FUCKING L I just caught this... hahaha limit the GREED of the lower and middle classes? HAHAHA dude, is it GREEDY to want to own your own home? this was completely the banks fault. this was called PREDATOR lending to people who were uneducated first time buyers who had solid jobs and could have qulaified for better loans but were pushed subprime loans by unscrupulous bankers who pushed unessecary loan terms on people who didnt know any better. such as adjust-able rate mortgages. the United $nakes of America.

GREED is a system that rewards speculation and inflation of housing rather than working to calm housing prices so that everyone can afford them. finally, most of the housing bubble "victims" were people who were "flipping" houses and only in it to make a buck. These "investors" didnt buy houses as a long term venture to house their families they were buying houses fully expecting to sell a year later and make a profit from them. housing should be afford-able to everyone not just to the rich.

and finally, GREED is a system that compels the government to fork over our nation's treasure to the same group of greedy unscrupulous bankers first in line for the handout the same fuckin criminals because if they fall everyone will fall? they not only should have been let out to dry and fall and go broke they should have gone to jail for their predator ways. sure, it would have been painful that a bunch of investors and bankers went broke and jobless but it would have been a market force lesson to all those assholes and a damn humbling one at that. they were first in line and asked for 700 billion with no conditions. by the time the money was offered to the working class there were so many caveats and conditions put on the stimulus that really the fat cats benefitted twice. swineflu turned out to be a bailout for the pharmaceuticals in case anyone missed that one. and when the govt had its chance to hold $30 bill ransom to GM and force that shithole company to produce actual feul efficient cars? ha.



Roadblock
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06.5.09 - 6:06 pm

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Alot of that same thing happened up here in the desert.
Cash in on a rather, expensive home in OC or LA County, then use a fraction of that money to purchase a home up here, then onto Vegas or St George after that.

But, then when the ball dropped, it's like we were stuck with a bunch of refugees who were victims of their own disaster.
Thanks to their greed-driven, mis-doings, they have to make their once happy, kids suffer through Hell in an area they barely even know.

And that's just the tip of the ice-berg as overall suffering goes in this condition.



bentstrider
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06.5.09 - 6:28 pm

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thank you don!

I have been in and out of funemployment since the week of the "crash" last sept. its now JUNE. my biggest regret is i wished i new i could have not been searching for a job the entire time to find nothing.. no i should have just gone to the BEACH..


thank god i just got hired again today!



ninaBEEEZ
06.5.09 - 7:26 pm

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