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@Sgt Krumer Ticket LACM
Thread started by LACMsux at 11.23.10 - 11:52 am

So i got my ticket on the last LCM and did a research on what i did it was this V C Section 21456 Walk Wait or Don't Walk ticket what does that mean that i jaywalked? it was a $180 ticket wtf?what should i do?anyone else know what this means?

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The law is written to regulate pedestrian behavior. It says you can't cross the street when the signal says "don't walk." It also says if you are a pedestrian in the street, it is your responsibility to get out of the street as quickly as possible.

If you were on a bicycle in the street, AND you were moving, this obviously doesn't apply to you, because you were a vehicle, not a pedestrian. FIGHT IT!!

If you were riding on the sidewalk that's a different story. They may be able to argue that by riding on the sidewalk, you forfeited all the rights of a vehicle and became a pedestrian. And since pedestrians are explicitly forbidden to cross when the signal says "don't walk," you would have a harder time fighting that one.

If you stopped (had to stop) in the middle of the street then it's likely the officer's prerogative whether he wants to consider you a bicycle or a pedestrian and that would make it tougher to fight. But it would still be worth fighting if you had to stop for safety, because you had to stop your vehicle to prevent a collision.



outerspace
11.23.10 - 12:05 pm

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Fuck LAPD on LACM!!

But Krumer can you help with this ticket?



md2
11.23.10 - 12:10 pm

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Just pay him to sign it off.



revolution
11.23.10 - 12:26 pm

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what? pay him the fine?



LACMsux
responding to a comment by revolution
11.23.10 - 1:02 pm

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thanks! lets see what krumer has to say



LACMsux
responding to a comment by outerspace
11.23.10 - 1:02 pm

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He won't be able to help you if he wasn't there, if he doesn't know what you were doing when you got the ticket, etc.

This is what you were written up for:
http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21456.htm



outerspace
responding to a comment by LACMsux
11.23.10 - 1:09 pm

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Find my thread or post how to win a ticket. You WILL beat thus one easy.



indigis
11.23.10 - 1:14 pm

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oh..does this affect on me getting a drivers license?



LACMsux
responding to a comment by outerspace
11.23.10 - 1:15 pm

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LAPD leaving LACM?

really?




fixie4life
11.23.10 - 7:51 pm

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The 21456 "don't walk" citation is meant for pedestrians and basically means that if it is already flashing than you can not begin to cross. If you are on a bicycle that complicates things as you are not really a pedestrian...however if you are not a pedestrian than you are a vehicle in the crosswalk.

It really can go either way depending on the judge.




Sgt. David Krumer
11.23.10 - 9:47 pm

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I am curious to know if he was in the crosswalk or not.



outerspace
responding to a comment by Sgt. David Krumer
11.24.10 - 1:38 pm

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REALLY? Wow, cool!



^olsko*jr7
11.24.10 - 2:09 pm

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funny thing is cop told me the ticket was for a redlight ....lol

mhmm idk if i should say that here ?



LACMsux
responding to a comment by outerspace
11.24.10 - 2:48 pm

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