CopLuvFest II
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indigis at 11.5.10 - 9:28 am
When there is hypocrisy and manipulation it must be pointed out. That's what I did in an earlier thread.
And when there is honesty and sincerity, it is even more important that it be recognized.
Sgt. Krumer shared some words on the LACM OCT 2010 that show a real attempt of cyclist advocacy on our part.
Thank you.
following quotes from Krumer...
"Anyone who received a ticket for a red light violation will have to fight it in court...but keep in mind you have a pretty valid excuse. Throughtout these forums there are instances where riders have complained about the confusion created by officers with regards to red lights. SOme corking and other citing. I believe that if you challenge the ticket in court with a few printouts that support your point, the Judge may throw out the citation. It at least improves your odds as it is not your word against the officers. You will basically be bringing in witness statements."
Sgt. David Krumer
"The motorcycle officers fall under a different command. I will bring this to the attention of their Captains."
Sgt. David Krumer
"Since no route can be provided and LACM does not want to be considered a parade, it will most likely be fragmented if you stop at the reds. Picking a destination allows you to collectively ride and take the street (many streets in fact) and still gather as a group without risking citations."
Sgt. David Krumer
"We have the right to be on the street, We are TRAFFIC!
ABSOLUTELY...you are traffic!!! Don't worry about the impact on those driving home. They need to know that cycling is alive and well in LA. So long as you behave as traffic let the motorists deal with it as you have to deal with motorists everyday."
Sgt. David Krumer
"I think that is the result of poor communication...but I believe those tickets are fightable.
In any case since there was no corking going on this ride there should not have been a situation where someone is basically enticed into running the red by one officer only to be cited by another" "When I get to work on Monday I will request a citation breakdown again."
Sgt. David Krumer
"Hello All Ridazz,
If you believe that excessive force was used or if you feel that an officer was unprodfessional than you can make a complaint...and I encourage you to do so. Most of these incidents seem to be in conjuction with a ticket. Since you have the officers name on that citation we can investigate that and take responcibility for the actions of our officers.
The LAPD can not and will not take responcibility for the length or pace of the ride, or the fact that it became fragmented. Additionally the officers can not be blamed for issuing citations itself so long as the citation was for a valid violation. Now if the issue is the manner in which that citation was issued (see first paragraph) than as I said we will take ownership of that.
To assist you I suggest the following:
Start a thread that indicates that you were the subject of a use of force or unprofessional behavior...state where you were and at what time and see if any other ridazz are witnesses. Make a complaint at the number I provided and get an investigator assigned...as witnesses identify themselves to you via the MR forum you can refer then to your investigator.
I highly recommend that on future rides you bring video/audio recorders and tape the behavior at issue. Because the LAPD does not tolerate some of the things you indicated, we welcome any audio/video evidence that will help us identify officers who do not live up to the standards we set. The LAPD thanks you for helping us weed out bad officers."
Sgt. David Krumer
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You forgot this one:
Hey ninjabiker,
On Tuesday I filed an official complaint based on your post that motor officers used excessive force by slamming someones head down. You mentioned that there is video. I asked you to contact me and provided you my e-mail. I really need your assistance if this complaint is going to go anywhere. As I mentioned the LAPD will not tolerate excessive force and will take appropriate action. Since you are a witness I need your cooperation. Please contact me! If anyone else witnessed the incident ninjabiker refers to above please speak up.
35128@lapd.lacity.org Please use "LACM EXCESSIVE FORCE COMPLAINT" as the subject line.
Thanks.
Sgt. David Krumer
I am still speechless...
If this is true,that he would actually file an official complaint against his fellow police officers then...That goes beyond anything,..
You have my respect and my support Sgt Krumer.
I will be meeting the people who were with me on Critical mass at my place tomorrow
to discuss our options,I will call you during the meeting if possible.
Thanks again.
Ninja biker11.5.10 - 11:43 am
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Ridazz Roulette!
