Anti-gun talk?
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bentstrider at 11.17.08 - 12:48 pm
So, I was reading a story in the local paper today in regards to, "Gun sales jumping up due to Obama Victory."
Apparently, there seems to be some sort of fear-factor that strict, gun-control measures will be going into place in the near-future.
This get-them-while-they're-hot mentality seems to be working it's way into me.
I currently don't own any guns of my own, but seeing as how many gun-control laws were passed by Dems most of the time, I'm quite fearful of a scenario from that book, "The Turner Diaries".
But, that's just my thought on this issue.
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"live by the sword die by the sword"
Roadblock11.17.08 - 12:49 pm
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This is true. In fact, I just bought a ma duece BMG to mount on my side-car bike.
Bike terrorists? Not on my watch.
SPOOK11.17.08 - 12:50 pm
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I was thinking of picking up and uzi for my mom for xmas.
does anyone know if they ever have 2-for-1's? who says you can't yourself a present also.
Jazzy Phat Nastee11.17.08 - 12:53 pm
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I got guns under my shirt sleeves... two of 'em. weep.
Roadblock11.17.08 - 12:55 pm
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Wait...
Bent did you just say you own no guns?
Shit I thought you lived like the Michael Gross and Reba Mcentire in that movie 'Tremors'.
DeKadenzy11.17.08 - 12:57 pm
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"live by the sword die by the sword" - RB
"those without swords can still die upon them"
You're not the only one with quotes buddy!!
Eric Hair11.17.08 - 12:59 pm
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I think Ridazz could use a weekly ride down to Muscle Beach. If we keep riding like this for decades to come, we're all gonna look like a bunch of pyramids.
Eric Hair11.17.08 - 1:03 pm
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The PEN is mightier than the sword!!!!!!!!!
p.s. hooray for the Tremors reference.
p.s.s. I am sad now because my post count is no longer 420. oh well it had to happen I guess.
la duderina11.17.08 - 1:04 pm
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“Wit without discretion is a sword in the hand of a fool”"
Roadblock11.17.08 - 1:06 pm
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old and crusty?? LOL
no, wide on the bottom and narrow at the top; like sprint champions. those dudes that look like they have a frozen turkey strapped to each quad
Eric Hair11.17.08 - 1:06 pm
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gun is mightier then the pen?
aksendz11.17.08 - 1:07 pm
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“Humor is a rubber sword - it allows you to make a point without drawing blood”
Roadblock11.17.08 - 1:07 pm
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“Do you know what astonished me most in the world? The inability of force to create anything. In the long run, the sword is always beaten by the spirit.”
Roadblock11.17.08 - 1:08 pm
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wish in one hand shit in the other and see which one gets filled first.
Oh and I would like to say...Democrats don't give a flying fuck if you have guns....Democrats care when gang members, criminals, ie people who SHOULD NOT have guns have access to them...what is so wrong with that???
OH MY GOD THEY CARE ABOUT LIVES!!!! I CANT BELIEVE THE AUDACITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
la duderina11.17.08 - 1:09 pm
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"“Wit without discretion is a sword in the hand of a fool”"
...says the man on the business-end of a sword
Eric Hair11.17.08 - 1:09 pm
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guns+Eddieboyinla's handcuff locks+ merry-go-round= broken spirits of pwned bike thieves.
sciencefriction11.17.08 - 1:13 pm
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I have a hard time actually sorting out gun rights in my mind. on the one hand I believe that it is our civic duty to keep weapons in order to defend ourselves against agents of power like cops and the military. but I also like the way they do it in the UK where the cops have no guns.
Roadblock11.17.08 - 1:15 pm
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"[they] care when gang members, criminals, ie people who SHOULD NOT have guns have access to them...what is so wrong with that???"
gang members, criminals, ie people who SHOULD NOT have guns will always be able to get guns. That's what being a criminal is all about. You think gangs roll with registered firearms from Big-5??
Eric Hair11.17.08 - 1:20 pm
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For awhile, my stepdad and my mom had a pretty big impact on how I lived.
My stepdad came from a family that happened to also have Pacifistic/Quaker views on many things.
My mom wanted to get away from her father, who happened to be a true, "Malaysian" red-neck.
For awhile, they would actually turn off the TV if anything as violent as a Western came on.
Afterward, I retained anti-gun views up until I turned 19, when a couple of friends took me out shooting, with actual firearms.
Since then, I've wanted to get some, but just haven't gotten around to doing so.
I don't want to have an armory, but a Remington 870 police shotgun and, much to Jeff's disapproval, a Colt M1911.
This notion that violence will disappear if guns are banned is a bunch of hokey IMO.
bentstrider11.17.08 - 1:31 pm
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"This notion that violence will disappear if guns are banned is a bunch of hokey IMO."
its not that violence will disappear, it will be that the men will once again be men and fight like men. - with their FISTS. (women too)
Roadblock11.17.08 - 1:33 pm
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gang members, criminals, ie people who SHOULD NOT have guns will always be able to get guns. That's what being a criminal is all about. You think gangs roll with registered firearms from Big-5??
Eric Hair
11.17.08 - 4:20 pm
That's not the point I was making.
la duderina11.17.08 - 1:36 pm
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I was in Sheffield UK and happened to catch view down an alley of a female cop basically football tackled some big dude to the ground and apprehended him. it was completely bad azz. cops dont need guns to stop crooks. they just need some gusto and to be in shape.
Roadblock11.17.08 - 1:37 pm
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And what about Grandma, or some poor fool in a wheelchair?
If they get banned, people are going to have them anyway.
And like the marijuana laws, gun-ban's will just be another way to burst the seams of the already, disfunctional, pShrink-mandated, prisons.
bentstrider11.17.08 - 1:37 pm
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"And what about Grandma, or some poor fool in a wheelchair? "
that last thing I want is some grandma with a gun. it's already deadly enough that they drive.
Roadblock11.17.08 - 1:40 pm
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2nd Amendment is not likely going to change.
Bikes.
Joe Borfo11.17.08 - 1:40 pm
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Stupid simpletons, rushing out and buying guns. If they paid any attention to current affairs, politics, etc, they would realize that today's democrats consider gun control is a loosing issue. The aggravation and political capital it takes to pass new gun laws isn't worth the meager benefits of the laws themselves. And with so many so-called Blue Dog Democrats in Congress, gun control laws dont stand a chance. Nobody is talking about it. I say good riddance. Let them buy guns. I don't own any but I don't want more restrictive laws. But most of all, I don't want it continuing to be an issue that separates "middle America" and the Democratic party.
0gravity11.17.08 - 1:41 pm
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like I said, it's a struggle for me but I think it's best if guns are outlawed. check the murder per capita (which doesnt distinguish between gun deaths and other) for these countries:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
#1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
#2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
#3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
#4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
#5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
#6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
#7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
#8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
#9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
#10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people
#11 Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people
#12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people
#13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people
#14 Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people
#15 Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people
#16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people
#17 Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people
#18 Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people
#19 Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people
#20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people
#21 Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people
#22 Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people
#23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people
#24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
#25 Armenia: 0.0425746 per 1,000 people
#26 India: 0.0344083 per 1,000 people
#27 Yemen: 0.0336276 per 1,000 people
#28 Dominica: 0.0289733 per 1,000 people
#29 Azerbaijan: 0.0285642 per 1,000 people
#30 Finland: 0.0283362 per 1,000 people
#31 Slovakia: 0.0263303 per 1,000 people
#32 Romania: 0.0250784 per 1,000 people
#33 Portugal: 0.0233769 per 1,000 people
#34 Malaysia: 0.0230034 per 1,000 people
#35 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0229829 per 1,000 people
#36 Mauritius: 0.021121 per 1,000 people
#37 Hungary: 0.0204857 per 1,000 people
#38 Korea, South: 0.0196336 per 1,000 people
#39 Slovenia: 0.0179015 per 1,000 people
#40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people
#41 Czech Republic: 0.0169905 per 1,000 people
#42 Iceland: 0.0168499 per 1,000 people
#43 Australia: 0.0150324 per 1,000 people
#44 Canada: 0.0149063 per 1,000 people
#45 Chile: 0.014705 per 1,000 people
#46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people
#47 Italy: 0.0128393 per 1,000 people
#48 Spain: 0.0122456 per 1,000 people
#49 Germany: 0.0116461 per 1,000 people
#50 Tunisia: 0.0112159 per 1,000 people
#51 Netherlands: 0.0111538 per 1,000 people
#52 New Zealand: 0.0111524 per 1,000 people
#53 Denmark: 0.0106775 per 1,000 people
#54 Norway: 0.0106684 per 1,000 people
#55 Ireland: 0.00946215 per 1,000 people
#56 Switzerland: 0.00921351 per 1,000 people
#57 Indonesia: 0.00910842 per 1,000 people
#58 Greece: 0.0075928 per 1,000 people
#59 Hong Kong: 0.00550804 per 1,000 people
#60 Japan: 0.00499933 per 1,000 people
#61 Saudi Arabia: 0.00397456 per 1,000 people
#62 Qatar: 0.00115868 per 1,000 people
but it's a gamble depending on whether the state itself has guns. if we disarm the state then we can disarm the people.
Roadblock11.17.08 - 1:43 pm
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Go buy some guns, some candy and a pony for all I care, but seriously, the fucking
Turner Diaries?
There's no shortage of coherent and rational arguments for gun ownership out there, so why pick a scenario from some white supremacist masturbation tract as your primary justification?
nathansnider11.17.08 - 1:43 pm
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If they get banned, people are going to have them anyway.
THIS was my point...they won't ban anything!!!! Just regulate.
regulators ...mount up. Oh man now I have to go listen to some warren g
la duderina11.17.08 - 1:46 pm
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Hey, if Timothy Mcveigh got as far as he did after reading that, I'd rather be safe than sorry.
And as far gun deaths go, I'll just say that there are things out there killing more people.
I mean, the way I see it, cars are a deadlier threat than most guns will ever be.
Everybody and their mommy has one, and most don't even know how to use those.
bentstrider11.17.08 - 1:48 pm
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holy shit I didnt even know what the turner diaries was. all this time I thought it had something to do with Ted Turner. hahaha
Roadblock11.17.08 - 1:57 pm
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Guns are silly anyway. If you think your gun is going to protect you from your government, well ask the Branch Davidians how that worked out.
If you think the government is worried about your pathetic little pea-shooters when they have flamethrowers, grenade launchers, stinger missile-armed drone aircraft, tanks, nerve gas, MOABs...if you believe that then you'd better sit down: I have some bad news for you about santa claus.
mullingitover11.17.08 - 2:29 pm
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From Obama's campaign website. The only thing I could find on Guns
Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.
Doesn't sound like there is going to be to much gun control measure coming out of that administration, unless somebody goes shooting something up. As someone said before, it is a non-issue and it would fare well with the single issue gun owners in 2012.
Bents......If you want a couple of guns I would say go buy them.
My only consideration to you would be. Is this gun-control scare, just 'a scare' to where it is artificially raising the price of guns? Although guns are something that usually retain their value, so the price hike might just hold. If gun prices go down, you may be able to recoup your money in the years or so, if you where ever planing to sell them. On the other hand as the economy goes south, you may have people selling things for less then they where worth a few months or years ago. So you might want to wait to purchase them when the economy goes so bad that gun owners are selling all the extra guns they have. (Most gun owners usually have at least four to five guns. If they are really into it, they will have 30-50 guns. )
As what happened with bikes, just as summer as ended.
I said it before, I think that the price of used bikes peaked this summer. Might be that gas prices are going down, and will continue to go down. What happen, did the demand for oil go down? I think it is that the paper that speculators were using is not abundant supply like it was.
sexy
11.17.08 - 2:31 pm
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They should have a "Swap Guns for Weed" Day.....think about it.
la duderina11.17.08 - 2:31 pm
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what a piece of work, if you think about it Tim Mc Veigh is EXACTLY why guns should be banned on BOTH sides of the coin. the guy was a military vet and Christian terrorist who was retaliating against the ATF - another bunch of people who should not have weapons - for the Branch Davidian incident in which 80 people were killed - another bunch of religious kooks with weapons! so.... people with guns - no matter who - will find a way to abuse their power.
FUCK GUNS! FIGHT LIKE MEN! (or WOMEN) FIST FIGHTS!
Roadblock11.17.08 - 2:34 pm
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about the Branch-Davidians. For being taken by surprised, they killed four federal agents, while suffering only six loses. They did well considering in the initial ATF raids. If they had the whole community of Waco with them, the feds would never have stood a chance. IMO, having a community ready with weapons ready to take agenst of a tyrannical government could work.
sexy11.17.08 - 2:36 pm
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"Guns are silly anyway. If you think your gun is going to protect you from your government, well ask the Branch Davidians how that worked out.....pea-shooters when they have flamethrowers, grenade launchers, stinger missile-armed drone aircraft, tanks, nerve gas, MOABs...if you believe that then you'd better sit down: I have some bad news for you about santa claus. "
actually I'd say you are dead wrong... think about it. The world's "MOST POWERFUL" military on EARTH can't suppress the massively undermatched gun toting rag tag citizens of IRAQ for shit.
Roadblock11.17.08 - 2:36 pm
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The world's "MOST POWERFUL" military on EARTH can't suppress the massively undermatched gun toting rag tag citizens of IRAQ for shit.
THATS because we are GIVING them the guns...WE created the terrorists!! Our own government supports them because without them, what would we have to fear?????
la duderina11.17.08 - 2:37 pm
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i want to argue that mcveigh learned how to kill people by being a marine or whatever the fuck he was.
now lets get back to posting slayer lyrics.
Live by the sword and help to contain
The helpless minds of you all
Die by my hand in pools of blood
Clutch yourself as you fall
Mindless tyranny, forgotten victims
Children slaughtered in vain
Raping the maids, in which they serve
Only the words of the Lord
Die by the sword
Die by the sword
Satan watches all of us
Smiles as some do his bidding
Try to escape the grasp of my hand
And your life will no longer exist
Hear our cry, save us from
The Hell in which we live
We turn our heads toward the sky
And listen for the steel
Die by the sword
Die by the sword
Watch as flowers decay
On (the) cryptic life that died
The wisdom of the wizards
Is only a neurtured lie
Black knights of Hell's domain
Walk upon the dead
Satanas sits upon
The blood on which he feeds
Die by the sword
Die by the sword
ruinedbyidiots11.17.08 - 2:39 pm
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dibbs on pulling 'foundign fathers' on roadblock!
founding fathers escaped england dude to religious persecution
founding fathers fought in earlier wards like French Indian war
aksendz11.17.08 - 2:39 pm
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"dibbs on pulling 'foundign fathers' on roadblock!
founding fathers escaped england dude to religious persecution
founding fathers fought in earlier wards like French Indian war"
yeah I dont get this comment, about most of the people escaping "religious persecution" (READ: America was founded by religious kooks)
The Americans learned to fight from the Indians who themselves had little resources but had heart and fought in unconventional ways. The Birttish called the Americans terrorists because they fought "dirty" and rag tag. how quickly a country forgets it's humble beginnings.
Roadblock11.17.08 - 2:46 pm
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I'm not sure the figures above are that accurate. I like the figures on wiki better which would put the US in second on that chart above even though they are from different years. From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
Among developed nations, the U.S. has above-average levels of violent crime and particularly high levels of gun violence and homicide.[162] In 2007, there were 5.6 murders per 100,000 persons,[163] three times the rate in neighboring Canada.[164] The U.S. homicide rate, which decreased by 42% between 1991 and 1999, has been roughly steady since.[163] This high rate of homicide may be related to the country's high rate of gun ownership, in turn associated with gun laws that are permissive compared to those of other developed countries.
I was thinking of the people that support the idea that everyone should carry a gun to "equalize and protect" while I was reading this story.
2 U.S. Troops Killed by Iraqi Soldier
Oh yeah guns in everyone's hands will solve our problems alright!!!
User111.17.08 - 2:49 pm
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Hey, Jesus is a card carrying NRA member!
Joe Borfo11.17.08 - 2:54 pm
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McVeigh didn't use a gun to kill anyone at the Muir building in OK.
if the theory is supposedly correct, it was fertilizer and fuel oil that caused all the deaths. When McVeigh was pulled over for not having a license plate on his car, he informed the patrol officer that he was carrying a loaded pistol and surrended to the officer without incident.
As for the branch-davidians. They where federally licensed gun dealers, who where being investigated for having a kit that turns a semi-automatic weapon to a fully automatic weapon without the proper tax permit for fully automatic weapon. They where allowed to have fully-automatic weapons, they where just suspected of not having the proper taxs in order for them. They used a bogus tip that they where cooking speed to get pass the Posse Comitatus Act to use military vechicles and weapons. There was also a former member who falsely accused the Branch-Davidian of child abuse. All evidence of having a no-knock raid points to the ATF using the raid to justify their "threatened to be shrinking' budget. ATF had there public relations crew with them that day to film the raid.
All the ATF had to do to find out about the fully automatic tax issue was to knock on the door, and ask them to inspect there weapons and see if they had the proper tax permit for the suspected kit.
I have a paper copy of the search warrant that specifies why they where granted the warrant. I will look for it on line. It is a very telling document. If they wanted Koresch specifically, they could have waited for him to come to town (which he did constantly) and two agents could have arrested him.
sexy11.17.08 - 2:55 pm
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hillary clinton was behind the raid on waco. shes the reason so many innocent women and children died. im glad she bowed out of the presidential campaign when she did. shes like mccain, if mccain was a democrat and had a vagina.
ruinedbyidiots11.17.08 - 2:59 pm
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Gun control is superficial logic for controlling violence. If you wanna get rid of a weed you gotta pull it out by the by the root, otherwise it will just grow back.
vor11.17.08 - 3:18 pm
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the point is that the Branch Davidian ATF raid and the ensuing Mc Veigh christian terrorist retaliation was one big giant argument over guns.
Roadblock11.17.08 - 3:18 pm
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OMG, I love the
Rotten Library:
McVeigh told various people that the Army had installed a computer chip in his ass, for nefarious purposes which were never quite clear but apparently extended beyond simple buggery. According to his biographers, this was his idea of a joke, which partially explains why he took up "mad bombing" as opposed to "stand-up comedy."
nathansnider11.17.08 - 3:40 pm
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Okay, sink this thread.
And I'm still buying those two, fine pieces of fire-power I mentioned earlier.
I mean, a .45 ACP and a shotgun are pretty much all I'm ever going to need against the tide of the undead.
Or, if shit really goes south, "have-nots" and the "gimme-gimme-gimme's" who potentially won't take no for an answer.
Fists work well against a couple of people, but a hungry crowd of pissed off, out-of-work people who used to live the good-life will need something bigger.
bentstrider11.17.08 - 3:49 pm
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oohhh VOR touche' very enlightened logic
Bents.....yes, it is a good idea to have a shot gun around the house. Do get a high quality like the one you are looking at. Don't get a cheap Moseburg, those suck and kick like a mule. Make sure you have a short and long range barrel for it. It is fun to have the long barrel for shooting skeet or whatever targets you choose, and short barrel for home protection. Make sure to have it loaded with bird, not buck shot for the house. Keep a couple of buck shots handy, just in case.
Down side of gun ownership. Expensive to shot, and a pain to keep clean.
sexy11.17.08 - 3:56 pm
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don't get .45 caliber weapons.
get the international standard 9mm. If you're actually planning for when the shit hits the fan, 9mm will be internationally available.
.45 will only be found in the USA.
spiraldemon11.17.08 - 3:56 pm
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the dems are never gonna "take Away" any body's guns
the nra is way too powerful
fun facts. in california, it is a felony to cary a concealed "less then Lethal" weapon (taser, stun gun, baton ect.)
but only a misdemeanor to carry a concealed fire arm
(assuming it is registered correctly, ect.)
. in most states, it is easier to buy a gun then to legal purchase a switch blade, cause we all know that attaching a spring to a blade makes it like three times more lethal.
Little Evil Eddy11.17.08 - 4:19 pm
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that lolcat made me lol
vor11.17.08 - 4:59 pm
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Bents..........I don't know how you came to the conclusion to buy those two weapons. If you haven't yet, may I suggest you go to a few range and get a feel of every 45 that is available to rent. Try out each one and make sure you are happy with that Colt or see if there is something that you like more. I know that is common advice, the nice thing about purchasing a gun is that you can go the range and rent almost every popular model that is selling at present time.
Like I said with the shotgun, don't cheap out. Get the best one you can afford, you won't lose any money in the investment. I don't know where you can go to try out different shotguns. There is the Oak Gun club off the i-5 between Valencia and San Fernando Valley where you can shot "trap" at an outdoor gun range. You might hang out there and see if anybody knows where you can try out different shot guns or talk to the patrons to see if you can get any more advice.
If you plan on carrying a gun on your person or in your truck/car. You might want to consider a less costly gun, just in case you get caught with it. Most likely you would lose the gun if you got caught by the police for a concealed weapon.
sexy11.17.08 - 5:26 pm
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I own a 22 and my grandfather has his MEXICAN military issued 45 and an O.G. italian made (n name brand) chrome & ivory 9mm beretta willed to me. those 2 are in safety deposit box waiting for me in Mexico City. There's tons of paperwork to bring them to the states... but upon my next visit i will start the process and possibly won't get them in until my second visit after that. in the meantime, i'd like to get me a similar 9mm to my grandfathers (grey gun metal color though) here in the states. i.e. MEL GIBSONS gun in the LETHAL WEAPON FRANCHISE.
Eddie GOpez11.17.08 - 6:33 pm
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Roadblock: "actually I'd say you are dead wrong... think about it. The world's "MOST POWERFUL" military on EARTH can't suppress the massively undermatched gun toting rag tag citizens of IRAQ for shit."
A large portion of the US casualties came from
explosives, not guns. It helped that
the US didn't bother to guard big storage depots full of explosives.
Anyway, you'll notice that the casualties are tapering off. The guns aren't really accomplishing much; the US can afford to simply bribe other Iraqis to do the fighting and disarming of the populace. This is exactly what would happen here if there were some kind of armed uprising. It's surprisingly hard to be loyal to your group of ragtag citizens when someone is waving (*pinky to lips*) ONE MILLION DOLLARS in your face.
mullingitover11.17.08 - 6:45 pm
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lets hope it works this time
sexy11.17.08 - 7:05 pm
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I wasn't around all day to drop a deuce in this thread, so I'm gonna do it now.
The below link is a great example of epic fail style gun control in England. It illustrates perfectly that "...only outlaws have guns" and it's those of us that operate within the law that suffer.
REASON: Gun Control's Twisted Outcome
Enjoy!!
I prefer no fists, no violence, but that's a fantasy world that will never happen, but I revel in the fact that we have an amazing community of friends and strangers, where violence is nearly absent. Love you all for REALLY making it happen. Way to give the world a role model.
Eric Hair11.17.08 - 8:13 pm
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Anti-Gun folk need to spend a day at the range. Meet the people they call gun-nuts. Meet the people who are alive because a firearm kept them breathing. Meet people who were victims of dictatorship because they had no guns. Meet people who like to ride bikes...and shoot guns.
I've taken anti-gun folk to the range. They own guns now. I think most people are just scared...its something foreign to them. Especially here in LA county.
I am a very agreeable, peaceful, loving person. I've never had to fight anyone. I hope I never have to fight anyone. I'd rather be having sex than fighting people. But when trouble comes knocking on my door...I'm not going to expect anyone to come save my ass.
el_spaniard11.17.08 - 8:23 pm
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@ Eric,
The majority of the world has lower gun-death rates than the US.
And unless something changed recently the UK and and every other 1st world country has a lower gun death rate than the US.
Japan has some of the strictest gun laws in the world, they also happen to have an extremely low crime rate and a low gun death rate.
Mexico has a higher crime rate than the US but less deaths by gun. Mexico has much stricter gun laws, and even though they have more crime there, and share a very porous border with a country that has a very liberal gun policy, they still have less gun deaths.
I don't think anecdotes about any 2 countries can tell the whole story about gun violence, but that "Reason" article is particularly silly because they pick maybe the one exception of a "1st world" country with strict gun laws that has a higher crime rate than the us. Pretty much every other major country with stricter gun laws that the US has a lower crime rate, lower prison rate, and lower gun death rates.
I don't think a total ban on guns in the US will solve any problems, I just don't get the irrational argument that making sensible controls on guns will some how cause crime to sky rocket.
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I do however think that some of this Gun Run has been caused by all those people who bought into McPailns skare taktiks with Obama, trying to frame him as anti-american, terrorist friendly, smooth-taliking socialist.
trickmilla11.17.08 - 9:43 pm
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@trickmilla
Give some examples of "sensible" Gun Control...
el_spaniard11.17.08 - 10:04 pm
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People who think that letting regular citizens have access to lethal projectile weapons is a necessity for civil order are being willfully ignorant about the vast number of countries on this planet where the possibility of getting shot is not something worth worrying about.
Like the one I come from. Seriously.
Half the world is dumber than me. Half the world is less sane than me. Everyone is irrational sometimes. It stands to reason that most people should not have access to guns.
Though I agree with bentstrider that a lot of people shouldn't have access to cars for the same reason. Though cars are not as an extreme example as guns. Cars can be weapons, but guns ARE weapons.
ephemerae11.17.08 - 10:41 pm
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STOCK UP ON AMMO ! THIS WILL BE OUTLAWED FIRST.
1911s RULE !
Dedicated81811.18.08 - 9:08 am
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What do you think sensible guidelines are?
trickmilla11.18.08 - 12:24 pm
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When I hold you in my arms.
And I feel my finger on your trigger.
I know no one can do me no harm.
Because happiness is a warm gun.
Yes it is.
Joe Borfo11.18.08 - 12:47 pm
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I should also add that myself and my younger brother are the first ones in the family(my stepdad's, his dads) to somewhat ditch the pacifistic-mentality that they all had.
My younger brother's, literally, the first male on my stepdad's side of the family to join a branch of the military, and own a firearm.
Right now, he owns an M-1 Garand, and wants to get a .40 cal Glock as soon as he turns 21.
Although he may get one sooner, depending on his own connections.
Apparently, my stepdad and the rest of his family are proud, but a little pissed off that he eventually wants to make a career(become an officer) out of it after he gets college finished in the near-future.
I say, if he wants to command big-guns instead of peaceful-tech, then go for it!!!
bentstrider11.18.08 - 12:56 pm
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@Trickmilla
You did not answer the question.
Before you start supporting more "sensible" or "common sense" gun control, you should learn about firearms laws at the county, state, and federal level. You should also have a basic understanding of how firearms work and how they are used by people.
Until then, I'd rather you not answer my question.
el_spaniard11.18.08 - 1:42 pm
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@dekadency
Since I only plan on having two guns in my possession, I think of myself more as the farmer from Jeepers Creepers 2.
Not an armory like Burt Gummer, but I know how to make my selective firepower useful.
bentstrider11.18.08 - 2:04 pm
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So first you wanted him to answer your questions, but now that he did, you don't want him to answer your question? And I'm to trust that you can make correct decisions with a firearm?
Bents,
Just out of curiosity, did they ever explain why you were judged as being mentally unstable to be a cop? If it wasn't mentally unstable, what exactly did they say again?
User111.18.08 - 2:04 pm
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@user1
-The pShrinks(after that I have no respect for these people) claimed that I would most likely go violent against one of those inmates that would likely talk a lot of shit as a CO walked the corridors.
They got this impression after I mentioned some incidents in high school where this might've been the case, but since then, I've grown to control myself.
That still wasn't enough to convince the UC Berkeley dipshit, who subsequently suggested in the letter that I try something less-violent(and less manly) like engineering or some, other high-education, discipline.
No thanks.
I'd rather stick to trucking with a big, well-established company, another law-enforcement agency, or I've even begun to look at fire-fighter/paramedic as a future career goal.
Relatively, low-schooling, and high-return considering what you paid for the certification.(instant work, wide-availability of employment,. etc)
And I just can't picture myself going from 6 years of classroom, to 20-30 years cramped in an office-cubicle.
But, as far as law-enforcement is concerned, I might have to move to a different state that doesn't place psychiatrists in charge of the hiring process.
bentstrider11.18.08 - 2:22 pm
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I'm actually glad they have psychiatrists in charge of who is allowed to be cops. my wish would be for the test to be even stricter than it is and subject to yearly review. judging by some of the angry cops are or become while out there.
Roadblock11.18.08 - 2:29 pm
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huh?
Um yeas I don't spend my life researching firearms but there is no denying that while the US has one of the more liberal gun laws of any major country we also have a rate of gun related deaths.
I'm not a law maker, I don't know what types of restrictions on guns make the most sense.
I do know that a normal citizen does not need a weapon designed for the sole purpose of killing lots of people. If you need an assault rifle to go hunting than you shouldn't be hunting.
I do know that guns shouldn't be handed out like candy. That guns shouldn't be given out to everybody who wants one just because they want one.
We control who can fly a plane, who can drive a car, who can operate a truck, you need a license to cut hair or pluck eyebrows, so yeah, some kind of licensing of people who use guns is appropriate.
When the constitution was written "arms" were knives and muskets and a black man was considered 3/5 of a person.
So do we have an unrestricted right to bear arms?
Machine guns, Bazookas, Bombs, Grenade launchers, sonic death rays, armored cars mounted with anti-personal missiles?
I believe in a certain level of access to guns in this country because guns have a cultural history here, and being in a democratic republic means balancing the rights of minorities (gun owners) with the wishes of the majority.
Certainly any person that's not working for an armed revolution believes in some "sensible" gun controls.
So I'll ask again.
What "sensible" gun controls do you believe in el_spaniard?
trickmilla11.18.08 - 2:30 pm
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Is this a ride? Do any of you Ridazz actually own a gun? Do you take it to rides?
tallcans4tallbikes11.18.08 - 2:32 pm
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I own a love gun.
And I have a constitutional right to bare it.
trickmilla11.18.08 - 2:34 pm
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@roadblock
I definitely know I could keep my cool when faced with some belligerent suspects.
I'm just saying that the psychiatrists decisions should be used as a discretionary tool when evaluating the officer year from year.
Give a recruit a chance to shine and show their worth, as opposed to keeping force levels low and crime high, due to concerns over law-suits.
Kind of like trucking companies and accidents, if a LEO has less-to-no marks on their psychiatric profiles, they'll be less prone to termination.
I just don't like the philosophy they follow now, where if they find you mentally unfit, yet tell you that you're mentally fit for something that doesn't contain violent material.
I mean, most people tend to act like anger is a mental-illness and is unnatural.
If a potential LEO is easy to blow up, then a holder of a non-violent occupation like an engineer or, doctor could easily do so themselves.
Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico all have correctional departments with reputations for keeping their inmates in check.
With the hiring practices they have there, as long as you have a clean record, they'll give you a shot, if you don't work out, 86-time.
@tallcans
Yes, political bullshit thread, but I was a little concerned and wanted to see what others thought about it.
I've already asked the conservatively-dominated, denizens of the desert-boards about it, and I get the same answers all the time.
All though, a pack-heat-ride sounds pretty cool.
We'll just have to do it in a random, AZ town with an open-carry, provision!!
bentstrider11.18.08 - 2:43 pm
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"Give a recruit a chance to shine and show their worth, as opposed to keeping force levels low and crime high, due to concerns over law-suits. "
I hear you big Bents but in my mind it's not about keeping force levels high by letting in just anyone. I would rather they filter in thee most level-headed people possible. I want people who have compassion for the population and not people that get off on bullying people, which it seems a good deal of cops either are, or eventually become after some years on the force. yeah a doctor or anyone can lose it too, but they arent in the same position of power that a cop is. and cops get dirty because they can. it a vulnerable position.
Roadblock11.18.08 - 2:57 pm
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Holy shit! thats brilliant!
THE BIKE PANTHERS:
Here is the the Jacket Patch
I'll totally roll with you guys (in the back of course).
Just be careful ... I don't think COINTEL-PRO is any less paranoid than they were 30 years ago,
trickmilla11.18.08 - 3:06 pm
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Are you crazy? The first job of the bike panthers would be to give beatings to all the cyclists who are drunk. Which on any given ride is...everyone.
mullingitover11.18.08 - 3:08 pm
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As long as you keep them unloaded and locked up in a case on your back rack, you'll be fine.
FBI11.18.08 - 3:11 pm
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@roadblock
Well, be happy that California has pretty much taken that route.
But with all the people here, the number of LEO's in this state is pain-stakingly, low.
With all the weird-laws they have on the books out here, it seems as if California see's too much hope in criminals.
Yeah, a first-time offender may be turned around, but someone who has been caught for the umpteenth time, B&E'ng into the same liquor store deserves no mercy.
As far as the cops and stress-levels go, yes, I'm quite aware of it.
In fact, I remember the little, face-to-face you were having with that LAPD corporal at the 2nd street tunnel on the VeganBananaPenis ride.
I was disseminating if the officer was being a true, dick?
Or, was he stuck between a rock and a hard place?
Many officers are good people who could become corrupted and or stressed out by the constant, asshatage of criminals, and the never-ending demands of upper-level, brass.
As for me, I'm going to keep the AZ, NM, TX, and possibly military law-enforcement as open-alternatives.
bentstrider11.18.08 - 3:19 pm
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this is my rifle
and this is my gun
one is for killing
the other is for fun
User111.18.08 - 3:43 pm
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Ah, artillery-pieces.
Too bad, they're losing out to pussy, guided-missiles.
You see, that's why I could never be an engineer.
I would be getting into to many arguments over my "retro-fancy" design schemes.
While everyone else would try to find a new thing to stick a gas-turbine and a missile-launcher onto, I would probably be the backwards guy sticking a Gatling-Gun onto a steam-driven, tractor-tank!!!
bentstrider11.18.08 - 3:49 pm
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"As for me, I'm going to keep the AZ, NM, TX, and possibly military law-enforcement as open-alternatives."
maybe a better question would be... why do you want to work in law enforcement?
Roadblock11.18.08 - 5:19 pm
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why???? Oh I know that answer..... I asked him a long time ago.
sexy11.18.08 - 5:25 pm
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"maybe a better question would be... why do you want to work in law enforcement?"
Of all people RB, how could you ask this? One of the best lines I've read on MR was posted by you; "be the change you wish to see."
If bent' doesn't like the present state of law enforcement, let him join and show 'em how it's done. werd.
Eric Hair11.18.08 - 5:34 pm
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Thanx, sexy, but I'll reiterate my reasoning again.
I want to get into a career that could possibly change lives and make a difference by being out on the front-lines everyday.
This way, if I were to ever run for office, I would be proud to say that, "I was there and I know how these people, I witnessed the suffering and handled it on a first-case basis!!"
To me, I would rather get my hands dirty and know what I was working with as opposed to starting at the top and fixing problems via, reading case reports.
I dunno, people usually hassle me and tell me to forget being a cop, forget the military, and just go to school, get all sorts of degrees, and then take the white-collar, civil-servant route.
I may have the brains for that, but I didn't like school all that much either.
But, perhaps after I get into an LEO-career, I may change that train of thought to get ahead in that field.
bentstrider11.18.08 - 5:34 pm
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If bent' doesn't like the present state of law enforcement, let him join and show 'em how it's done. werd."
Never did I say he shouldnt be a cop I ws just akin why. why oh why!?
Roadblock11.18.08 - 6:04 pm
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But, just remember that if I ever do move out of state in order to pursue this(LE) line of work, I will not stop coming to rides.
As Teal'c said, "Undomesticated Equines will not hold me back!!!"
And, in case anyone forgot, "going out of state" was how I met the MR-Movement!!!
bentstrider11.18.08 - 6:55 pm
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my bad RB, it's hard to guage inflection in a written forum.
on that note: Ridazz 2.0 = video chat ??? heehee
Eric Hair11.18.08 - 7:00 pm
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Bentstrider......You really should love your job.. Get up and look forward to going to work everyday. With this being said, it is my advice that seek out a career in which the uniform closely resembles that of the outfits flagship team SG-1
sexy11.18.08 - 11:45 pm
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sexy, I like driving trucks, I just hate this company I'm with right now.
My main gripe is the fact that we work our taxes with the "1099" system as opposed to "W-2's".
Me, I'd rather have W-2's any day of the week, only reason I'm with the company I'm at right now is to gain the necessary experience needed to, hopefully, get rehired back to Swift again.
As far as I've seen, CDCR and the CBP both utilize that OD-green color that SG-1 proudly jocks!!!
bentstrider11.19.08 - 12:10 am
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