stop lighting fireworks on rides
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ruinedbyidiots at 06.29.08 - 8:39 pm
we are in a drought. i dont care if its the concrete jungle, youre gonna end up starting a fire.
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I don't mind the fireworks, however besides RBI's valid comment, i just feel its only bringing attention to us during the rides and we don't need to give the cops any more reason to hassle us. Oh, what the hell am i even bothering to even post this here. Those folks are prolly not even on the boards.... Just preaching to the choir.
stevo406.29.08 - 8:50 pm
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but yet the moron seems to be smoking in his profile picture, haha...
You tell'm...
I enjoy the fireworks, if you can be safe with them then go ahead, keep'm coming...
THE.ANGRY.GIANT06.29.08 - 8:51 pm
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Yet another reason to enroll in that EMT/Paid-call firefighter academy.
It's extreme part-time, but we still have to train like the regular Type-1's.
bentstrider06.29.08 - 8:51 pm
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thats hair caught in my mouth. maybe theres smoke in your eyes?
ruinedbyidiots06.29.08 - 9:05 pm
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We just need to get Spiraldemon to stop lighting his farts.
Joe Borfo06.29.08 - 9:12 pm
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maybe there's smoke in my eyes?...haha, i like how u spent the time to write such a stupid response, thats funny...maybe ur not such a bad guy but just a stupid one, i forgive you.
THE.ANGRY.GIANT06.29.08 - 9:20 pm
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Yep, you're gonna start a big forest fire in Mar Vista.
Alex Thompson06.29.08 - 9:22 pm
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the angry giant is a small small man. or a small small woman.
ruinedbyidiots06.29.08 - 9:29 pm
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I'm more concerned about an errant rocket doing real damage to riders. I've once lit an explosive rocket (just like those being set off on the rides) which lost its stabilizer rod in the first few feet of flight and it flew around in a crazy unpredictable pattern like a deflating balloon before detonating about 4 feet off the ground. It was pure luck that no one was injured in that instance. I've seen the fireworks on rides lit right in the roadway while other riders were riding by. All its going to take is someone to knock the thing over and someone is going to get hurt. Its just a really bad idea to be setting off that kind of firework in such close proximity to people. Its an accident waiting to happen, and it isn't a matter of 'if,' but 'when.' There's a reason why the pros who put together firework shows have all kinds of safety measures in place and don't allow ANYONE near the launch site.
That said, when I see the fireworks, I just put a whole bunch of distance between myself and the folks lighting them. I'm not a parent and I'm not responsible for other riders' safety. Just my own and those I bring on the rides.
ideasculptor06.29.08 - 9:33 pm
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I thought most of the fireworks on the rides were of the mortar variety, where the projectile is guided by an explosion out of a tube on the ground rather than fins on a rocket. I have to admit that I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to this, though.
nathansnider06.29.08 - 9:41 pm
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Maybe they are. I've only gotten close enough to see one once, and it was a rocket. But a mortar can very easily be knocked over and that wouldn't be pretty at all.
ideasculptor06.29.08 - 9:49 pm
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SEEMS LIKE SOMEONE GOT SOMETHING UP HIS ASS!!! YOU SHOULD GO BYE HATER, BECAUSE THATS ALL I SEEM TO VIBE FROM YOU!!! THIS NOT THE FIRST TIME U BROUGHT THIS UP> IS IT THAT IMPORTANT TOO YOU!!! MAY BE YOU SHOULD TRY GETTING LAID, STOP ALL THE HATE
too$hort06.29.08 - 10:00 pm
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I remember someone lighting off a rocket just as I rode past. It's real possible to get hurt and I don't care what kind of First Aid Academy you set up, it won't be enough to handle the burns on my leg had that rocket gone off a couple of seconds earlier.
mk452406.29.08 - 10:14 pm
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HEY ANGRY GIANT KEEP BRINGING THEM FIREWORKS...
davidh608106.29.08 - 10:17 pm
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Though I am usually Mr. Killjoy on most of the party antics, I think there may be a happy medium with the fireworks.
Lighting them in/near parks is certainly a bad idea. Same with tree-lined residential streets. But in the median of a large, commercial street? Or a grocery store parking lot? Well, maybe that is not so big a deal....?
As far as lighting them close to other riders, there is really NO reason for this to happen. They go high up in the sky and explode: they can be seen from a distance. They should be lit AT LEAST a half block away from where any other riders are.
As far as calling attention to us, well, we're hundreds of cyclists on the street -- I think the ship might've already sailed on that one. However, setting them off right when we LEAVE a stop instead of right when we get to one, that might be advisable. There's a difference between calling attention to ourselves and alerting LE as to our present (and static) location.
theroyalacademy06.29.08 - 10:27 pm
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The one that went off near me was in a 7-11 parking lot filled with peeps. That was plain stupid and irresponsible.
mk452406.29.08 - 10:31 pm
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Agreed. I have seen them light them both at times and in places where I thought it was REALLY unsafe and dumb. I am just saying that there is possibly a way to do it responsibly. (Just as I think there is a way to drink responsibly. And run red lights responsibly. Etc.)
theroyalacademy06.29.08 - 10:36 pm
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fireworks = fire or cops.Both of these are things most of us want to avoid.
It's as simple as that.
blackout_blacklung06.29.08 - 10:42 pm
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I guess if it had messed up my leg, it's my responsibility to pay my medical bills for his stupidity. Just thinking about that brainless jerk gets me really pissed. What children won't do to get attention.
mk452406.29.08 - 10:44 pm
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I messed with lots of fireworks in my younger years. Unless you are really familiar with the brand, you don't know how they react. Most fireworks burn out before they hit the ground. My experienced, has shown that some remain lit when they hit the ground. If it is still on fire and it lands on something that is dry and has a low flash point, kaaopow you got a fire. That could end up being somebodies roof. I have seen it happen. Lets not make it happen on a ride.
Liz, take care (make your own fireworks) of that boy or he will have to go bye.
You Hippy, you GO NOW, GO NOW, LEAVE.
sexy06.29.08 - 10:55 pm
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Keep the fireworks! This outlaw spirit is what is needed on these rides! Yes safety should be factored in but I must say that for the most part these fireworks have been really fucking cool. Especially during CRANK MOB in Westwood, that was genius. Come on people have a little F.U.N.!
tallcans4tallbikes06.29.08 - 10:56 pm
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fireworks are koo and i dont think is a bad idea but they should be set off on a safe spot, and about getting attention by the one time we are already getting the attention couse we are all drinking and making noise u know? is not couse of the fireworks or people wanting attention is just people think is a good idea to just have fun and its something that doesnt happen all the time. i love to watch them fireworks go off just lets keep it safe and set them off on a safe spot..... right?
davidh608106.29.08 - 10:58 pm
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fireworks is not about getting attention or wanting attention is just another way of having FUN. KEep them comming...... Lets just all be safe about them..
davidh608106.29.08 - 11:01 pm
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leave the fireworks for the trained professionals on new years and the 4th if you live in california or any other state / province / yadda yadda where they are prohibited.
if you want to play with fireworks, move to a place like mississippi where you can get them any time of the year from random people in shacks on the side of the highway.
ruinedbyidiots06.29.08 - 11:03 pm
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Come on RBI quit acting like a square, what happened to all that GG ALLIN noise?
tallcans4tallbikes06.29.08 - 11:05 pm
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i know im not the only one whos noticed that ridazz turn their brains off when they think they are having fun.
ruinedbyidiots06.29.08 - 11:07 pm
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Okay, next time someone lets off a round, I'm going to open a fire hydrant and cause an inner-city gusher!!!
Kinda like in those old skool rap videos.
bentstrider06.29.08 - 11:08 pm
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its all fun and games until someone looses an eye.
RBI, Did you have a bad experience or know somebody who has had a bad experience with firework? If you have, do tell about the situation. Until people understand the harm something can cause, they will have no empathy towards someone else concern.
In areas of the south that are humid, lighting fireworks aren't that big of a deal in regards to fires. Like was said before, this is a dry hot area we are in. There is a reason why the City of Los Angeles outlawed all fireworks. They cause personal injury and property damage
hipster06.30.08 - 1:18 pm
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the above statement is not very koo. OH NO
hipster06.30.08 - 1:21 pm
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well if it makes ya' feel better i am not just another member of the choir i am one of the peeps that lights fire works but only fire crackers...if it is makin' problems we will stop...we just figured fircrackers were ok since we light them away from people...but due to the above i will leave them at home
MOM_RIDAZ42006.30.08 - 1:29 pm
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Yea basically if you cant handle the rides, and a few fireworks scare you "ruinedbyidiots" I recommend staying home with ur mom, If you're trying to keep these rides safe then wtf are you doing talking about fireworks u moron, Are ur eyes shut when drunk riders are crashing into eachother or almost and sometimes getting hit by cars, damn whos really the idiot in this forum, change ur name buddy, u gotta little thinking to do, and i know thats hard for you...
THE.ANGRY.GIANT06.30.08 - 1:36 pm
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I don't think anyone s telling you what to do.
Joe Borfo06.30.08 - 1:39 pm
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Angry Giant...thanks for the "kind" words...i was being HONEST and i said I WILL STOP that should have been enough. I have NEVER said anything mean on this and i intend to stay that way...there is no need to attack.
MOM_RIDAZ42006.30.08 - 1:40 pm
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MOM RIDAZZ
I don't have a problem with the fireworks. I think this a big stink over nothing. It's hard agreeing with Angry Giant, but I think fireworks are not a problem. I'm sorry to say but it seems as if the discussion about other legitimate problems has empowered the "Irritable Old Men In Young Men's Bodies" crowd (IOMIYMB)
Are you an IOMIYMB? I mark jumping over screamers with Marcus at last years BIG BANG FIREWERCKX ride as my rebirth into FUNhood. Perhaps this is the prescription for you? You know who you are.
Alex Thompson06.30.08 - 2:18 pm
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I don't think anyone cares much about firecrackers and things that throw sparks ("safe" fireworks). My only objection is to the things that launch way up into the sky at high velocity and then explode. Most Ridazz are too young to remember what the 4th of July was like when fireworks like that were legal (though mortars and rockets were never legal in my memory), but I can remember a number of house fires and dozens of tree fires from the 4ths of July of my youth. It isn't a matter of
if a fire gets started or someone gets hurt, it's purely a metter of
when. This state is dry as hell right now and playing around with fireworks that can land in a try or on a roof is just plain dumb.
Call me an old man, if you like. I'm not going to feel particularly insulted by it in this context. Better to be an old man than a hooligan who winds up responsible for destroying a family's every possession or, even worse, being responsible for severe injury to someone else.
ideasculptor06.30.08 - 2:33 pm
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i don't think we should be calling Angry Giat a troll just cuz he wants to be angry and say that kind of stuff...if we do we are just as bad as him...but that is just what i think...
why can't we all just get along?
MOM_RIDAZ42006.30.08 - 3:52 pm
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i only like the really big fireworks that are on crank mob.
the other ones are too small, they stink, and they just take up valuble parking lot real estate that could be used for jousting or skidding.
mikeywally06.30.08 - 4:24 pm
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mikeywally
06.30.08 - 7:24 pm
Agreed, either go big with the fireworks or keep em at home.
Crank Mob fireworks are the shit, the little ones are a joke.
ben dangel06.30.08 - 4:29 pm
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FUCK IT ME AND TOO $HORT ARE TAKING THEM AGAING TO CRANK MOB.....
davidh608106.30.08 - 6:20 pm
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This forum is dumb, instead of pointing out actual reasons for injuries on the ride some moron points out fireworks, ur responsible for ur self on these rides so deal with it...
Bring them david, just keep it safe, liek we always do...
THE.ANGRY.GIANT06.30.08 - 6:25 pm
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THATS IT, WHAT SHOULD I CHOOSE FOR THE NEXT RIDE??? ANY ONE HAVE A SPECIAL ONE THEY WANT ME TO BRING HAHA...
THE.ANGRY.GIANT06.30.08 - 6:39 pm
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Angry Giant did you get my email? hit me up please. roadblock AT midnightridazz.com thanks
Roadblock06.30.08 - 6:41 pm
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i almost blew off a few fingers cutting the fuses of black cats to throw into traffic when i was 11. something tells me the angry giant is around this age/doing the same thing.
ruinedbyidiots06.30.08 - 7:03 pm
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although full of danger/awesome, good, big-ass fireworks are icing on the cake for me.
BAM! THAT SHIT IS ICED.
mmaceda06.30.08 - 7:39 pm
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from what i've noticed, the people lighting the fireworks are the most sober on the ride. The real threat is on the ground, drunken kids, many of which would make great fireworks. BURN THEM!
SKIDMARCUS06.30.08 - 8:02 pm
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there are almost 1500 forest fires burning in california right now.
ruinedbyidiots06.30.08 - 8:05 pm
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I don't have time to read this whole thread. Maybe there's a comment or two to sway my opinion, but the way I come down on it is this: We're lucky enough as it is to get away with these rides and I think fireworks are a step too far, drawing too much attention, just too damn blatant and IN YOUR FACE, and bound eventually to get unneeded, stepped up attention from the authorities. I'd rather us keep the rides (like CRANK Mob) and chill on the fireworks.
0gravity06.30.08 - 9:02 pm
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Ruinedbyidiots,
I hate to tell you this, but forest fires are a normal process in the California ecosystems. California is the only state that still seeks to put these fires out as quickly as possible. They're the only ones that do this because they're utterly mad. The fact is that the way these ecosystems work is that when highly flammable underbrush builds up then a fire starts and burns a bunch of it out. A little fire.
That's why other states are do controlled burns, or let the fires run. Lots of little fires aren't a big deal. Only California is arrogant and ignorant enough to try to put them all out.
What happens when you don't let them burn? You build up more and more of this highly flammable material. Then, guess what happens? At some point you can't put the fires out fast enough = there's just too much kindling to support them.
The result? Monster fires. Monster fires that burn for weeks, that blacken the sky, and fill Los Angelenos lungs with soot. Monster fires that don't just burn the underbrush, but burn all the larger fauna so harshly that none of it recovers. Monster fires that kill fire fighters protecting ridiculous McMansions built in an ecosystem which burns naturally.
The blame for those fires and their impact rests in part on the ecosystems shoulders, and in part on ours for mismanaging the ecosystem.
But it most definitely does not rest on fireworks. And if you believe it does that means you've been:
RUINED BY IDIOTS
LEARN SOMETHING
Alex Thompson06.30.08 - 9:56 pm
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Addendum - heading you off at the pass - droughts are also a natural part of the ecosystem. Jeez, I was raised in the Midwest, how come I understand the Southwest better than you. Go back to Ojai hippy, and study you some tree rings.
Alex Thompson06.30.08 - 9:59 pm
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the fires are also in norcal. its all relative. but you can stand on your high horse of fun (or whatever) because youre from the westside and youre not supposed to give a fuck. but deep down inside i know you do.
ruinedbyidiots06.30.08 - 9:59 pm
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NorCal has a natural cycle of fires as well, just less frequent.
This is all old old knowledge, but here's
an article from the OC register with a fresh spin on what we've always known.
In a surprise finding, UC Irvine researchers say that extinguishing some of California’s natural forest fires can reduce the amount of carbon that trees store, increasing the amount of greenhouse gases released into the atmosphere.
Suppressing such fires can change the make-up of a forest, decreasing the presence of large conifers, which absorb far more carbon than smaller trees, says a study by earth system scientist Michael Goulden and graduate student Aaron Fellows.
Local, state and federal agencies routinely extinguish wildfires. The suppression “initially prevents the release of greenhouse gases, and in this sense has a beneficial effect,” says Goulden, whose study focused on mid-elevation conifers.
“But fire suppression also allows smaller trees to grow. And many of these smaller trees are better able to live through drought and out compete larger trees. As a result, the total vegetation in some areas ultimately declines as big trees die and little ones survive.”
Goulden says this ecological chain reaction ultimately “offsets the short-term carbon gains associated with suppressing the original fire.
“I’m not saying that we should allow forest fires to burn in areas where there are houses and people, just that in some situations allowing a more natural fire cycle to run its course may allow forests to store more carbon.”
Alex Thompson06.30.08 - 10:04 pm
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See, when you have a small fire, it doesn't kill the big trees, at least not most of them.
But when you have these mega fires the fire burns hotter and longer, and you kill the big trees. Bad news for everyone - less shade, less monster trees, more small trees that like to burn, etc.
Alex Thompson06.30.08 - 10:05 pm
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so let nature take its course and light those fires by lightning, not arson with fireworks. wasnt that the way griffith park caught on fire not too long ago?
ruinedbyidiots06.30.08 - 10:06 pm
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It's all fun and games until an errant sky rocket gets stuck under the eaves of your house and no one notices until your house has burned to the ground.
Just saying. And don't call me Dad.
toweliesbong06.30.08 - 10:10 pm
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It's all fun and games until someone tries to snort a lit bottle rocket, misses his nose, and shoots his eye out.
toweliesbong06.30.08 - 10:14 pm
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RBI - it's not about the source of the fire. It's about the fact that a fire can happen. You hit on it obliquely when you talked about how fireworks are allowed in the South (and Midwest) where it is humid and hot. You missed the big truth though.
What researchers have learned is that immediately after a fire the forest won't burn again. It doesn't have the fuel. But as the forest regenerates it builds more fuel, so that when it gets dry then you have the fire season. Eventually it burns and then you go back to the old situation.
So the issue isn't what lights the fire - its that the forest can burn, and how much fuel is there. It doesn't matter what starts it - what matters is that it can burn. You can't burn a midwestern forest - it's just too damn WET. But Southwestern ecosystems are dry and hot - so eventually they're hot and ready to burn and once a forest is ready to burn it's gonna stay like that until it burns.
Basically - flammability is analogous to horniness in people. Once you're sufficiently horny it ain't going away until you do something about it.
We're in a rough spot in CA, because in order to restore CA to the natural cycle of smaller fires, we're going to have to endure a series of larger ones. The problem gets worse before it gets better. But it won't get any better until policy makers change forest management policy.
Alex Thompson06.30.08 - 10:17 pm
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so why not be part of the solution rather than part of the potential problem?
ruinedbyidiots06.30.08 - 10:19 pm
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BTW, these mega fires, for which which human bear responsibility, are considered the culprits behind the erosion that created the mudslides.
BTW, I am not a big fan of bottle rockets - those do pose a serious risk. But mortars etc - bring it on - just be smart about it.
Alex Thompson06.30.08 - 10:20 pm
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so why not be part of the solution rather than part of the potential problem?
ruinedbyidiots
07.1.08 - 1:19 am
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The solution is to not try to contain fires and stop them. If you do that you're creating conditions for bigger, hotter, more destructive fires later.
The RBI policy of No Fireworks doesn't have real relevance to the issue of forest fires in CA.
Alex Thompson06.30.08 - 10:22 pm
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so why not be part of the solution rather than part of the potential problem?
ruinedbyidiots
07.1.08 - 1:19 am
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Just because forest fires "happen" doesn't mean we shouldn't at least be cautious.
Those signs you see in parks that say "no open fires" are probably there for reason.
kyber06.30.08 - 10:24 pm
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these kids arent being smart about it. remember two crank mobs ago when we were at the 7-11 in westwood and the cops showed up RIGHT AFTER the fireworks went off?
all it takes is a tiny bit of smoldering report from one of those mortars landing on the rooftop of a nearby buisness (or even the one youre standing in line to buy beer in) and everything goes up in smoke.
and buildings have nothing to do with droughts and burn patterns and everything else. sure, there are building codes that try to curb this, but everyone knows that shady landlords and supers do whatever they can to cut corners.
ruinedbyidiots06.30.08 - 10:25 pm
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Look - I haven't been on a ride yet that went through a fire risk area. Maybe you weir Eastsider's have. But the only places at risk here are North of Sunset, and no rides go up there.
Alex Thompson06.30.08 - 10:26 pm
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Those mortars are not going to start rooftops on fire. Have you ever been on a rooftop? Firstly - a lot of them are stucco and shit, particularly in the area at the Westwood 7-11. Secondly, that shit is covered with non flammables.
It's not that easy to start a fire.
Alex Thompson06.30.08 - 10:28 pm
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Those shady landlords are always covering their roofs with thatch and hay. Bastards!
Alex Thompson06.30.08 - 10:29 pm
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Over here there are a lot of areas that have burn risks. Elysian Park is one of them.
But just because there is not a sign warning of burn risk, doesn't mean that the risk is not present.
Can the self-proclaimed pyrotechnic experts just exercise more care before something bad happens? And by bad I mean a fire starts, or a mortar goes off in a large crowd.
SAFETY FIRST!
kyber06.30.08 - 10:30 pm
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until something catastrophic happens, alex thompson is billy joel.
ruinedbyidiots06.30.08 - 10:33 pm
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Alex, you see a pattern, and you're gonna continue it....no matter what, huh? This is not a terminating pattern to you, no? So, when I write the word that I am going to write, which will follow this paragraph, you will continue to post some shit off of youtube that I might watch myself, if I go to youtube and have any remote interest in the video you will post.
Here you go:
meh.
tern06.30.08 - 11:03 pm
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Tern,
You still in town? Go back East already!
Btw, how was your recovery after your 200?
And if you are back East already, we miss you and come home!
stevo406.30.08 - 11:13 pm
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I'm trying to go. I want to stay, but I have to go until the fall. But, I fucked some things up with registration and traffic tickets (for the first time in my life), and I need to do some time in court to take care of these things...so yes....I am still here. I went camping with tren way and a bunch of other folks over the weekend. We had a bunch of fun. I still feel like hiding, though, because I wasn't able to leave when I said I was...after the centruy and the party. So, there you go.....tell everyone else. I'll get it taken care of soon, and I'll take off. Then, before you know it, I"ll be back. I miss you, too.
tern06.30.08 - 11:19 pm
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Tern, what is the most natural extrapolation of this pattern?
AT posts video
SKD posts video
AT posts video
. . .
Thanks buddy.
Alex Thompson06.30.08 - 11:33 pm
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Wow!!! Could this be a mandelbrot set of movies followed by snarky comments? This is an interesting phenomenon.....
meh.
tern06.30.08 - 11:37 pm
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It's a pullback of an inverted Ultrapower of omega_1, squared. God will post the next video followed by God's buddy, and then after that God's cat - Ceiling Cat - followed by a bunch of people that don't believe in Mr God but do believe in his cat, such as me.
Alex Thompson06.30.08 - 11:43 pm
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ruinedbyidiots is on top of this thread haha, he must hate fireworks, i went out for about 5 hours hes posted about 10 new responses lol, damn i give him props for waiting to have the first word on anyones comments...either he really has no life or he just really cares about the forest haha...
THE.ANGRY.GIANT06.30.08 - 11:48 pm
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Don't angry giants, like, live in the forest? Y'all should get together.
Alex Thompson06.30.08 - 11:59 pm
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Angry green,
Would you like some macaroni and cheese? I can cook some up for you right here. I'm about to make it. Come on out.
tern06.30.08 - 11:59 pm
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Caring about the environment is lame.
kyber07.1.08 - 12:00 am
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So how does this relate to an errant rocket landing on a roof that starts a fire?
The more I read this thread, the more I believe that bicycling, as advocated by this group, is really for rebellious youth where fun is defined as getting drunk and setting off fireworks in parking lots.
mk4524
07.1.08 - 12:00 am
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So mk - do you really believe this will light a roof on fire? I think there's about 1 in 10,000 chance that would happen. Rockets don't exactly stick around to apply heat in a focused way. Remember, these rockets are designed to go places, not scorch the Cambodian jungle - it ain't exactly napalm.
Odds are bad that a rocket would land on a roof with substantial oomf left also - lets say 1 in 1,000.
Odds of landing on roof and starting a fire - roughly 1 in (1,000 x 10,000) = 1 in 10 million.
I'm not worried. Heck, I could go further and speculate on the odds that the fire was not isolated and spread - but the point is that this risk is a lot lower than the odds that some fixed brakeless rider busts his chain descending a big hill, and I don't exactly worry about that.
Alex Thompson07.1.08 - 12:11 am
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I know I will be called a troll by that self hating oriental kid but I just want to express my happiness at seeing how ridiculously retarded ridazz are. How can someone argue that fireworks and non-natural forest fires are good for our ecosystem. Hahahahaha. Get your GED first before you start speaking out on the environment.
mlee99z07.1.08 - 12:30 am
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That's not what I'm arguing, nor did I write that. What I'm arguing is that noting that there are 1500 fires in CA right now is not relevant. I mostly just sensed that RBI didn't know what he was talking about with respect to fires and forest management, and when that turned out to be true, went on a lengthy tangential rant.
Or did you think the Billy Joel posts were meant to be relevant too?
Lame troll.
Alex Thompson07.1.08 - 12:36 am
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So the fact that the fires in Nocal have stressed almost every local jurisdiction's fire fighting capacity due to them sending resources up north is not relevant? What if a stupid small fire a rida starts delays a house fire being put out across town and a family dies. Think before you type.
mlee99z07.1.08 - 12:41 am
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There's no chance of that. Ridazz are not going to start fires with fireworks. Anybody who's watched them doing it realizes that. Fireworks are for display purposes, and simply don't put that much heat out. You try to start a fire with a firework and get back to me. You're better off with a road flare or a toaster oven.
Stop acting like you have feelings troll. Your troll status is in question.
Alex Thompson07.1.08 - 12:44 am
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You're right, you should always think before you type, because if you don't you get into arguments such as "mlee99z" is, and make ur self sound like a fool, so take your own advice, it could help, but probably not...damn this thread is funny, such a long argument full of nonsense
THE.ANGRY.GIANT07.1.08 - 12:51 am
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Mr Borfo,
My browser is busted, can you narrate these videos for me?
Alex Thompson07.1.08 - 12:55 am
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Odds of landing on roof and starting a fire - roughly 1 in (1,000 x 10,000) = 1 in 10 million.
Care to cite your sources?
mk452407.1.08 - 12:58 am
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If we stop feeding the troll...will he go away?
stillline07.1.08 - 1:02 am
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Fireworks being smuggled from other states is a semi-big problem.
Especially when I know of all the states that sell the big boys year-round.
Couple skyflowers with Drum'n'Bass music, and you've just opened a whole, 'nother dimension.
bentstrider07.1.08 - 1:10 am
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From the NFPA:
In 2002-2005, an estimated 30,100 reported fires per year were started by fireworks,
including 2,400 structure and vehicle fires. Because cause reporting is not required for
all types of outdoor and other fires, single-year estimates can be highly variable; a five year
average is more stable. The largest numbers of fires associated with fireworks were
grass fires (11,300 per year), brush fires (7,900), dumpster fires (3,300), and outside trash
or rubbish fires (2,200).
“Safe and sane” fireworks are neither. Fireworks and sparklers are
designed to explode or throw off showers of hot sparks. Temperatures may exceed 1200°F.
I'm glad you're a qualified expert on fire safety. I remember thinking fireworks were safe too when I was like ten years old.
mlee99z07.1.08 - 1:12 am
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Guesstimation! Very precise.
Causes of forest fires in Kentucky
Wish I could find stats for California.
Anyhow, wood doesn't burn until 592 Fahrenheit, stubstantially above 451 for paper. So it really takes concentrated heat. Lightning does the trick because it has enough energy in a sing strike to power LA for a year or whatever. Hot portions of logging equipment etc. If there's a lot fo dry brush then you get into the smoking/sparks/fireworks category, because the small things can get the fire started. Still, once you've reached that point then that area IS going to burn, and it's going to happen soon. Turns out sparks from railroads are significant cause of forest fires.
So stop the trains - no more trains for Ridazz.
Alex Thompson07.1.08 - 1:13 am
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Mleez, your source is better. That's a wicked good source. But still, there's a big difference between lighting fireworks in grasslands, the woods, or right next to the dumpster, and lighting them on Wilshire Blvd in Beverly Hills.
Ridazz aren't out to start fires, and from what I've observed they're careful about the way they light them. They're not using rockets (ideasculptors fear) - at least not on the Westside. Again, on the Westside, they're not near any dry brush (Ballona Wetlands are WET), and the roofs aren't flammable. Therefore, I stand by my assertion that this is neither a reasonable fear, nor an urgent issue.
This board has been an excuse for colossal procrastination on my part. Plus, the pushback from disagreeing with the commonly held opinion is fucking ridiculous. Even mleez can attest to that. It's like you get stabbed in the neck a bazillion times if you say Nay to the Naysayers. I'm taking a week break. See you cats on the other side.
Alex Thompson07.1.08 - 1:28 am
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Just wait until PAM hears about this.
Joe Borfo07.1.08 - 1:38 am
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Alex, I had to skip 10 or 15 posts and reply because you are dead wrong about the likelihood of starting a structure fire with fireworks. In the 11 years that I lived in California as a kid ('73-'84), 3 separate houses caught fire on my suburban block (I'm including all 4 sides of the block) in Lakewood (hardly a high fire danger neigbourhood) on the 4th of July. Additionally, a number of trees caught on fire (including the tree in front of my own house one year), and it really doesn't take much for the roaring flames of a burning palm tree to transfer to your house. And these were all with fireworks that were legal at the time and nowhere near as potentially hazardous as a mortar or rocket. It is really easy to start a tree on fire, and trivial for a fire to jump to a rooftop from there. I find it hard to believe that someone like yourself can't see that. Wildfires often start when a single spark from the exhaust of an offroad vehicle lands in some grass - why would you think fires are hard to start?
ideasculptor07.1.08 - 1:48 am
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Well, we could always use a paintball gun to shoot out a firework before the fuse runs low.
Kinda like how those bomb-disposal robots are equipped with shotguns to force-detonate a package.
bentstrider07.1.08 - 1:55 am
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I get caught up in the argument just for the sake of the intellectual exercise, but I'll reiterate my original point from the start of this thread, which is that you should do whatever the heck you want to do. When people start behaving in ways I'm not comfortable with on rides, I'll just separate myself from them, either by riding elsewhere in the pack or by leaving the ride.
ideasculptor07.1.08 - 2:48 am
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Alex Thompson wrote:
Look - I haven't been on a ride yet that went through a fire risk area. Maybe you weir Eastsider's have. But the only places at risk here are North of Sunset, and no rides go up there.
By a wide, wide margin, this is the dumbest fucking thing you have ever written on this forum.
PC07.1.08 - 3:16 am
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Yo if you want to light fireworks, come to this ride friday night delight 4th of july ride. We're encouraging fireworks.Shit we're going to be ridding thru some streets that are gonna be lit on fire!!!!
Rikk3307.1.08 - 7:22 am
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^^^ further proof that no one is using their brains anymore.
ruinedbyidiots07.1.08 - 10:23 am
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IOMIYMB Alert!
: P
Hey RBI, we should do an Old Fart Ride.
Joe Borfo07.1.08 - 12:06 pm
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Man, the pic that Borfo posted of the office lady with the gun gave me a semi-chub.
bananaphone07.1.08 - 12:13 pm
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you are a man of astute tastes. cool and confident in any situation, you realize that at times, a man has to reflect on his existence over a glass of scotch. your dress can be described as smart casual, yet you are not out of place in formal settings. you possess the polish and charisma that catch the ladies' eyes. though you are fit and healthy, sometimes you simply must indulge in a fine cigar. truly a man of fashion and quality, you belong here in the midnight ridazz gentlemans club.
ruinedbyidiots07.1.08 - 12:16 pm
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WHO WANTS TO PARTAKE IN SOME FINE BRANDY UNTIL OUR NOGGINS ARE QUITE THE A BUZZ AND THEN WE MIGHT JUST FIND OURSELVES HIJACKERING THE LOCAL STEAM ENGINE TROLLY AND PICKING UP SOME LADIES OF EASY VIRTUE. I HEAR THEIR DAIRY BEVERAGE BRINGS QUITE THE LADS TO THE COMMON. EH, MY GOOD CHAPS?
ruinedbyidiots07.1.08 - 12:26 pm
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I like fireworks. They make loud noises, they make cool colors, they blow up. Cool.
BUT DONT LIGHT FIREWORKS OFF UNDER TREES!!!
What the fuck! I couldn't believe the shit I saw last night. This should be common sense. Trees are flamable. Trees are in parks for the enjoyment of all. When they catch on fire, everyone looses. Plant more trees, don't do stoopid shit to burn them down.
At least the dude lighting them off stopped when I pointed it out...
pavetheplanet07.18.08 - 2:18 am
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i only like the really big fireworks that are on crank mob.
the other ones are too small, they stink, and they just take up valuble parking lot real estate that could be used for jousting or skidding.
mikeywally
06.30.08 - 7:24 pm
..yesss!!!!!! have a little fun people. i know you're all in your 30's pushing 80's but come on chilllll
freshnistic flavor07.18.08 - 4:19 am
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Dude. I'm all about fun. F.U.N. is why we ride. Light fireworks in parking lots, etc. But don't light them off UNDER a tree. I'm talking about sparks flying amongst the leaves and scorch marks on the bark. That's just a flagrant disregard of common sense. All i'm saying is that if you are going to light off fireworks, at least take a second to think if there anything or anyone nearby that might catch on fire.
Structure fire = not fun.
pavetheplanet07.18.08 - 6:22 am
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FUCK THAT, IF YOU WANT TO LIGHT FIREWORKS, THEN BY ALL MEANS, LIGHT THEM NEXT TO COMBUSTIBLES BECAUSE I LIKE WATCHING PEOPLE RUN FOR COVER, YOU HAVE TO ADMIT, IT SURE IS COOL WATCHING BIG FLAMMABLE THINGS BURN TO THE GROUND. ITS BETTER THAN THOSE CHEEP ASS FIREWORKS.
I'M JUST SAYING!
eddieboyinla07.18.08 - 6:36 am
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in the words of Humpty Hump (not to be confused with Humpty Dumpty) "DO WHATCHA LIKE"
don't listen to the idiot trying to impose his will on everyone. i do believe that's how a young hitler started - all because he wanted people to ride bikes wthout seats.
Jazzy Phat Nastee07.18.08 - 8:03 am
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yeah, whatever newjack. screw empirical (sp?) knowledge.
ruinedbyidiots07.18.08 - 9:27 am
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hey you condescending prick.. first of all this is an alias. don't worry what the reason is...
and second... have a great day.
Jazzy Phat Nastee07.19.08 - 12:39 am
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ps assumptions don't get anyone anywhere. so let's leave them out of this discussion.
Jazzy Phat Nastee07.19.08 - 12:40 am
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Jazzy Phat Nastee
07.18.08 - 11:03 am
Respect!
coldcut07.19.08 - 4:24 am
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wassup coldcut. still trying to hit up las cabanitas!! ssshhhhhhuuussshh.
Jazzy Phat Nastee07.19.08 - 10:48 am
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what do you mean by that, dumbass.
tern07.19.08 - 11:01 am
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oops, wrong thread.
tern07.19.08 - 11:03 am
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Oh wait..I read up a little ways, and this seems mildly interesting.
Coldcut, in order to communicate to others, you might have better success if you use complete sentences. You know, like with a subject and predicate, nouns and verbs Your response to another post was, "RESPECT!" What that supposed to mean? Respect you? I don't know you. Respect fireworks? respect... sheesh...earn it. Till then, brush up on your grammar.
Oh yeah, jizzyphatnasty. Do you know rbi? I know rbi, and I know that you don't have a fucking clue about him. What's up with calling him a prick? What do you think this will accomplish? Do you think he might be intimidated by you? Take a vent, newjack.
tern07.19.08 - 11:18 am
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