corking...
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sciencefriction at 11.3.08 - 7:37 pm
i've been riding more often now, and realize that i've become faster than when i first started a couple years ago. I sometimes feel my legs grow a little impatient with the pace of some of the rides when they get slower...
with that said, i spontaneously started corking intersections towards the end of the noche ride and found it satisfying and challenging and ridazz were pretty thankful for the effort. I know i always have been to others who did it for the group.
so... im just curious...has anyone ever been ticketed for corking an intersection during a group ride? or attacked by a motorist? i used to see this practice a lot more than i do now and would like to contribute when i think its lacking.
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you can't block an intersection
same as you can't with a bike or a car,
my suggestion, check all the cars, make eye contact, let the driver in the front of the pack know.
once that acknowledgement has been made, move on.
don't hang at the intersection too long, just let the driver know just to sit tight for a second and we'll be out of their way.
the ones behind them can't really do much if the front guy doesnt move.
use the cars as a cork.
its only mind control if ijunes does it
ijunes
11.3.08 - 7:39 pm
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Props to you for doing it. Sometimes it is really needed. Sometimes it isn't. Yes you can get a ticket. It's happened. Ridazz who cork for other ridazz are awesome people.
Joe Borfo11.3.08 - 7:40 pm
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good to know. i'll keep these things in mind and cork responsibly.
sciencefriction11.3.08 - 7:47 pm
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Thank you for corking at the ride!
I've heard about people getting hurt by motorists, and I've seen motorists get pretty angry, but I don't think either of those happen as often as them just letting us through. I've never corked before, but I'm always afraid I'll just end up getting dropped.
imachynna11.4.08 - 10:11 am
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Corking is very necessary for large rides. Hopefully those that do this remember to be diplomatic with the motorists, and brave with those wild MTA bus drivers! On the last LACM-PEEPS ride if I hadn't corked the back, like 20 Ridazz would have gotten dropped, not just from the cars crossing but the route getting away so fast. SOmetimes the front of the route needs to get corked too.
tallcans4tallbikes11.4.08 - 11:04 am
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@TC4TB...
Word on the corking in the front... like how CHP does a traffic break. Or even letting a light cycle or something.
digablesoul11.4.08 - 11:22 am
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^+1 the front of the pack sometimes just gets too hyped and forgets about the people in the back. I usually cork when i see the group starting to spread out.
F'N Halloween ride in SFV we left the 711 and a big group got left behind so i slowed down and corked for the group to catch up. i noticed not a lot of people are corking anymore so i do it when i can and when its necessary.
I've thought the same and actually had drivers yelling at me or inch up towards me. I do my best to either just politely ask them to wait a few minutes for the group to pass or just ignore them and just say thanks when i leave.
Vince11.4.08 - 11:34 am
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HAS ANYONE FOUND OUT "HOW TO GET A PERMIT TO CORK AN INTERSECTION"
I CALLED LAPD, THEY SAID IT WAS A DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ISSUE/PERMIT
MIGHT BE A GOOD THING TO LOOK INTO
X-Large11.4.08 - 12:26 pm
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i stopped corking
after i started drinking
ijunes
11.4.08 - 12:29 pm
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ladot permits are expensive
ijunes
11.4.08 - 12:30 pm
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@junes
How much are they, might be cheaper than the tickets we are getting.
Where did you get the info on them?
@TC4TB
YEA!!! COMING STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON!!!
( BUT LET'S BEAT'EM AT THIER OWN GAME )
X-Large11.4.08 - 12:56 pm
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its a parade permit, i think.
and it will never happen to midnight ridazz.
ruinedbyidiots11.4.08 - 12:59 pm
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corking corking...yes. and stuff.
that said--Ijunes, I really don't think that centering and double spacing your responses enhances your personality or cleverness online. In fact, it makes it difficult for Luddite crumudgeons like myself to efficiently read what you are trying to write.
tern11.4.08 - 1:11 pm
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tern lubs you. he just needs fingering.
Joe Borfo11.4.08 - 4:23 pm
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Hah, see, I'm not the only one who thinks it's lame.
turrican11.4.08 - 4:25 pm
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i'm not trying to enhance my personality or cleverness online.
i just love attention.
ijunes11.4.08 - 4:39 pm
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@XL
the permits are expensive because i remember we got one for shooting a video a year ago. you have to purchase insurance and everything.
because we're not just corking one light, its every light we roll through.
ijunes11.4.08 - 4:48 pm
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I'M LOOKING FOR THE PERMITS THAT THEY GIVE TO A FUNERAL PROCESSION OR SUCH, SOME COP TOLD US THAT YOU CAN BE CERTIFIED TO CORK INTERSECTIONS LIKE THE LOOK-A-LIKE RENT-A-COPS DO ON MOTORCYCLES.
X-Large11.4.08 - 5:18 pm
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Midnight Ridazz will never use one of those.
Joe Borfo11.4.08 - 5:19 pm
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NO, NO, NO
Not MR using rent-a-cops, just getting some of the ridazz certified or permitted to cork intersections, I would do the class or apply for the certification if I can find it, so that we can cork and not get tickets. Like the license for marijuana use, the cops look at it and say "ok, go on your way"
X-Large11.4.08 - 5:32 pm
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But if you mean MR not getting ridazz permitted, enlighten me?
insurance? liability? possible law suits? why oh why not?
(and I am not just saying this for MR, but for all social bike rides)
X-Large11.4.08 - 5:41 pm
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I don't know. Let's start a dialogue. Just my opinion, but I don't think we need to get a permit to ride our bikes. Just because it's a large group doesnt mean we should have to get special permission to do so. Maybe there's some flaws in my view. Maybe you are right. But I just don't feel we have to play that game. All we have to do is be safe, sometimes in order to be safe we need to stretch the rules so that it flows better. I'm not naysaying, just throwing out how I feel about it. I can't tell you what not to do. I just don't feel that we have to do that. I'm hoping we can avoid having to get special permission to ride our bikes.
Joe Borfo11.4.08 - 5:47 pm
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Yea, I kinda agree with ya, I really would prefer not to get certified or whatever, but I also hate looking over my shoulder worrying about getting more tickets or seeing 10 of my friends at LACM lined up against the wall getting tickets for a stupid stop sign. But you could be right, it just might be a slippery slope that takes us all down the wrong road of legalities. Who knows, God please give me sign! Oh, wait am I atheist?
Carpe Diem!
X-Large11.4.08 - 6:04 pm
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-5 tern
+1 ijunes+190576266725692 corking
larsenf11.5.08 - 12:57 pm
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Can a have some back larsenf? Now, you mentioned losing five. OH. That's a lot. Can I have some back? How many do I have?
tern11.5.08 - 1:23 pm
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ooh. I hope it's Peach!
tern11.5.08 - 1:29 pm
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@ XL
With regard to the funeral procession regulations, the Vehicle Code is pretty specific, although permits aren't necessary. There is one small clause, however: "for the purpose of avoiding a collision" can be interpreted to mean that since the people behind you are speeding along a few feet behind you, you are required to run a light to avoid them rear-ending you." It's not explicit, but it's a *quick, concise and logical argument* which I would make if I got pulled over: "If I had stopped, then these guys behind me would have hit me. I had to keep rolling."
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tortuga_veloce11.5.08 - 1:59 pm
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