Bad Idea: The Frank Lloyd Wride
Thread started by Agent Orange
at 11.27.07 - 12:22 pm
It's a looong way off: June 8, 2008. Plenty of time to come up with sane reasons why you shouldn't, or to go crazy enough to join Agent Orange in this quintessential Bad Idea Ride that will visit the 10 SoCal homes and buildings of architect Frank Lloyd Wright from Duarte to Malibu.
More info here: http://www.midnightridazz.com/viewStory.php?storyId=816
Correction though: It's actually only nine -- count 'em: 9 -- locations. There are two structures at Barnsdall Park.
11.27.07 - 12:27 pm
AWESOME! is this Will? I am glad this isnt falling through.
I am extremely glad to help! I am an (non-registered) architect and am absolutely down to ride and help with this! I may know you if not Will, I have a FLLW tattoo on my right forearm...
This is a daytime event right? we had previously talked of making it a 2-day ride, being as you'd want to tour the spots. ANYHOO~email me! firstname.lastname@example.org
FRANK LLOYD WRIDAZZ!!!
11.27.07 - 1:22 pm
this sounds awesome and will give me plenty of time to build up my endurance..how long do you think the ride will be?
11.27.07 - 1:33 pm
Woah, I just read you did want to go in one day. First, its going to a hill-climbing ride of at least 80miles...I recommend at least 2 days
: these are masterpieces after all. I think people will not be just riding to spend a couple minutes to rest and then out!
Its your ride, you posted it, just my suggestion!
11.27.07 - 1:37 pm
Skidmarcus: Yeah this is Will and I remember us talking about doing this after the Hot Knives Beer Ride. I totally appreciate your enthusiasm and input. Sure, a one-day ride of over 80 miles with all that climbing won't do FLW's works much justice and is totally a Bad Idea: hence the name.
But don't stress. At this early stage it's still a work in progress. I'm not sure if I'd consider making it a two-day experience, but once I chart out the route and get a better idea of all it will entail I'll decide whether or not to cut Malibu from the equation. That's certainly a long and tall way to go out PCH and up Kanan Dume Road for one of FLW's least known homes. Plus there's that whole "return trip" to consider.
Kathryn: I'd guesstimate the full ride will take somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 hours. Should I decide to delete the last stop in Malibu I'd put the time at around 7 hours.
11.27.07 - 3:05 pm
Oh bummer, I think I'll be doing the AIDS ride at the time... ooof!
11.27.07 - 10:00 pm
ive gone over 70 on my bike bombing kanan dume. the climbs are RETARDED but the last downhill into westlake/to is worth it.
11.29.07 - 8:37 pm
This is the best bad idea I've heard in a long time.
11.29.07 - 8:46 pm
Why not break it down into segments?
Like, week one, y'all explore FLW's 1-4.
Week two ride, y'all explore FLW's 5-8.
Just an off-hand suggestion if it hasn't been mentioned already.
11.29.07 - 8:54 pm
I dig FLW's style, but he was quite a freak who knew nothing about construction.
11.30.07 - 1:41 am
Me thinks John Lautner schooled FLW after Wright took him under his wing. But that's another chapter of this saga.
11.30.07 - 1:58 am
This is the most awesomest idea in the century.
All other rides this century pale in comparison.
I would vote for no sag wagon... I'm guessing it's mostly downhill to the PCH from the last stop... Then we can pickup the bus, two bikes at a time, there shouldn't be more than10 ridazz left at that time...
Also, there is a SMMC/NPS funded shuttle that runs during the summer time taking bikers back towards the valley from the area.
My favorite parts of the Bad Idea Ride franchise is that since it is almost impossible to get killed in LA, it forces us bicycles to be more independent, and to gain a real concept of the region without hiring private vehicles to dab our diapers.
o-one will die on this ride.
If we tried the same in sub-saharan Africa, maybe some people would die.
12.6.07 - 4:23 pm
Sorry I've been lax in keeping up on the comments on this ride. To answer a couple questions:
1) Why wait six months? Longa daylight hours inda summa, and June 8 is FLW's birthday.
2) Why not break it up into parts? Because that would be smart and make it not a BAD IDEA ride.
3) Something about Lautner pwning Wright. Maybe.
4) Something about FLW's fly style but him being a freak and not knowing anything about construction. Borfo! YOU the freak!
The last commenter brings up fine points about self-reliantly eschewing vehicular assistance at ride's end, but I'm still considering A) axing the Malibu house from the route or B)some sort of paddy wagon to bring those of us normally self-reliant but wickedly tired finishers back to civilization.
12.6.07 - 4:39 pm
I'm feelin' the need to study up on Frank Lloyd Wright....on a bike!
Tell me when....I'm there.
12.6.07 - 4:49 pm
It does my heart all kinds of good to see folks running (or riding) with the Bad Idea idea. Bravo!
12.14.07 - 3:06 pm
Well, it's definitely a bad idea. I would like to avoid the PCH, if possible. Since it's a daytime ride, maybe we'll have enough riders to create a larger more visible pack...
I vote for no other vehiculares other than bikes.
12.27.07 - 10:59 pm
i'm up for this ride. unless i'm doing the aids ride instead. so, i guess that means i'm up for this ride.
12.28.07 - 5:16 pm
I'm definitely doing the AIDS ride, but I'd be more than happy to participate in some scouting rides between then and now. In order to keep the original bad idea ride a once-in-a-long time event, how about a scouting weekend sometime between then and now in which we do the full route over 2 days, as was suggested early on in the thread.
12.28.07 - 6:33 pm
I am so glad this ride is a long time away so I'll have time to get ready for it, but I'd love to see this become a "good Idea ride" too where we get to spend some time at the sites. Also, it's been a while since I was on PCH but is it really bad to ride on? Isn't that were a lot of spandex guys ride? Just wondering what's bad about it.
12.28.07 - 6:47 pm
WTF! I've been patiently waiting for this ride since last november. so bummed.... AGENT ORANGE.... why.... why.... WHY!
05.18.08 - 12:29 pm
I was looking forward to seeing this ride happen. i honestly didnt want to ride it in this manner, just way too many miles and sites for one day. Regardless, I am sad to see it cancelled.
As some of you know I am an architect and FLLW enthusiast and would love to host this ride. Would Agent Orange be interested in letting me take the reigns? I would love to do so, and well, I might just ride it by myself anyway!
Hit me up Agent Orange!
05.18.08 - 5:43 pm
Skidz, take it awaymy man: it's all yours if you want it.
And to Roadblock and anyone else bummed about me bailing: sorry. When I dreamed up this ride I was decidedly less employed and had more time on my hands to conjure up such bad ideas. Here's hoping Skid can take charge and make some version of it happen.
05.18.08 - 5:51 pm
its back on, people!
I am going to break into two dates- Sunday, June 1st and Sunday, June 8th. The routes will be posted as soon as I create the maps!
I ONCE WAS BUMMED
BUT NOW AM FOUND!
FRANK LLOYD WRIDAZZ!
05.18.08 - 7:39 pm
I wanted to do this but I'll be out of town in June.
I guess doing it on his birthday is a good date.
FLW bday was June 8? Mine June 5. Geminis rule!!!
is a nice list of FLW building addresses in LA.
Have fun without me.
05.18.08 - 9:50 pm
A ride without Marino!!!!!
I'm sooooooo there!!!!
05.18.08 - 10:14 pm
Frank Lloyd Wridazz - unfair to marino's travel schedule
05.18.08 - 10:19 pm
Just an FYI Skid, June 8 is the annual LACBC River Ride.
05.19.08 - 9:38 am
Aw man, Team Midnight Ridazz won't be around.
05.19.08 - 2:42 pm
YAY!!!!! Marcus! I'm so excited And now I can totally go too!! YAYAYYAYYYAYYA!!!! btw... is your phone dead? i wanted to meet you for lunch! poop!
05.19.08 - 2:47 pm
First of a Two-Part Frank Lloyd Wright Architectural Tour Series.
This hearty Sunday ride is a unique bicycle tour of the architectural works of renowned architect Frank Lloyd Wright in the Los Angeles Area. The tour is designed to provide a foundation for understanding and appreciating the revolutionary work of the architect, and also the legacy which he left behind.
Offering this study in two parts allows a more comprehensive study of the work. The first ride will be a study of the seven LA houses in the area, and one retail space. We will not be able to (legally) enter many of the buildings, unfortunately. There may or may not be a brief presentation or introduction of the building.
The route's length in its entirety spans 45 miles over approximately 10 hours. This includes a lunch break at Mile 14 at 2pm. The route as planned will allow riders to leave (or enter) at Mile 14 or Mile 22, so that no one feels forced to complete the ride if they are not so inclined. The pace will NOT be swift, and certainly no one will be left behind.
This Ride (Part One) begins at
The Lake Station - Gold Line
340 N. Lake Ave.
Pasadena, CA 91101
Departs promptly at 9:30am.
Sunday June 1st, 2008
Please bring enough $$ for a snack, a lunch, and The Tour Of Hollyhock Residence (Adults are $7)
Route List [and time of departure from this stop]
Lake Station - Gold Line [9:30a]
Millard House aka "La Miniatura" [10:20a]
(short break somewhere along the way)
Barnsdall Residence aka "Hollyhock" [1:45pm]
Lunch Break [depart at 2:45p]
Ennis-Brown House [3:15p]
Freeman House [4:00p]
Storer House [5:00p]
Sturges House [6:00p]
Anderton Court House [7:00p]
Finish at Wilshire/Western Red Line Station at 7:30
View Larger Map
^^^PLEASE CLICK ON "VIEW LARGER MAP TO SEE THE ROUTE!!!There are a couple surprises along the route, which offer a glimpse into Part Two! YEAH!
I am leading the ride, and am a trained (though not yet licensed) architect. The reason I drown myself in the profession (and burned my soul in school) was because of the continuously profound experience of viewing Frank Lloyd Wright spaces. His work inspires me to restlessness, as it has clearly done to countless others. Hopefully seeing this particular body of work on bicycle will offer a fresh perspective, and perhaps evoke a sense of the landscape from which Wright drew inspiration, and perhaps what this means today.
Hope to see you there!
Please check out Part Two as more details come in!
05.28.08 - 1:33 am
How much are tickets for adults who act like children? I think I should get some kind of discount.
05.28.08 - 1:37 am
The website says $7 for adults but I remember getting in for $3. I can be pretty immature, maybe the ticket dealer sensed that. Meh.
Also, if anyone is concerned about not making the entire route;
The route is designed so that you may break off at certain points without commiting to any unwanted mileage. The route in its entirety may be more mileage than your used to, but you might actually surprise yourself when you ride 40+ miles! I know I did.
05.28.08 - 12:10 pm
Are you sticking to the posted times. Not sure if I can wake up that early on a Sunday but can definately meet you guys in Silverlake/Hollywood later in the morning.
05.28.08 - 1:40 pm
Yes, certainly. Notwithstanding accidents, we will be departing the stop at the listed time. This method should keep the day moving along nicely. Please feel free to join/depart at any point, and use the map for addresses of stops.
05.28.08 - 1:48 pm
... a trained (though not yet licensed) architect. The reason I drown myself in the profession (and burned my soul in school) was because of the continuously profound experience of viewing Frank Lloyd Wright spaces. His work inspires me to restlessness, as it has clearly done to countless others. Hopefully seeing this particular body of work on bicycle will offer a fresh perspective, and perhaps evoke a sense of the landscape from which Wright drew inspiration, and perhaps what this means today.
and I was trained as an architectural historian and specialized in 19th and 20th Century Architecture.
05.28.08 - 2:47 pm
will you be in attendance on these rides?
email me -
05.28.08 - 2:49 pm
Damn! June 1st. That's the day I'm going to the airport.
I wonder if Alex will post it on RideArc.
I challenge you Alex!
When you see La Miniatura in Pasadena don't forget to look at it from the front (Prospect Crescent) and the back (Rosemont).
05.29.08 - 10:06 am
I'm so excited about this ride! And Marino won't be there!!!
I'll be leaving LB about the time I get home from the valley ride. YEAH!
05.30.08 - 12:22 am
MK4524 what type of employment have you has as an Arc.Historian ?
What have been your choices/ special opportunities ?
I'm super excited about this ride...I wish more of my classmates could come.
05.30.08 - 1:18 am
Alex, still waiting to see the RideArc announcement.
05.30.08 - 12:34 pm
Just an FYI:
I really want to encourage everyone to bring their knowledge or interests to the stops. I will share what I know, which isnt all that much, but I think its better to have a dialogue moreso than a presentation!
and don't forget the $7 for the professionally-guided tour of Hollyhock. be sure to be very sneaky with your photogrphy there; its not allowed!
05.30.08 - 12:44 pm
is this how you are going to do do the ride? ---->
05.30.08 - 5:40 pm
Awesome ride! That last minute change to see Pierre Koenig's Stahl house took it over the top. I'm tired but I've got a smile on my face.
06.1.08 - 11:21 pm
glad everyone could make it, the full day riding and exploring in perfect weather made for an ideal day. My personal fav highlight was crawling around The Millard House property. I think we got really lucky doing that....
For Part Two, I was planning to make it a Wright-influenced theme: Lautner, Schindler, Neutra, Lloyd Wright, etc. We might also continue to the Sturges House, which we cut out of yesterday's route. If anyone would like to help plan it, please email me as soon as you can! Its a little bit of work planning these, and it would be much better to work with others! MARCUSGETSEMAIL@GMAIL.COM
06.2.08 - 9:54 am
i'm really bummed i wasnt able to make it out to the last one, hopefully I can make the next one.
06.2.08 - 11:13 am
I was bummed to miss it, too, but I just couldn't drag my ass out of bed. Next time.
06.2.08 - 11:28 am
oh god my legs still hurt
who put all those nice houses way up in the hills?
06.2.08 - 11:59 am
It's some consolation to hear I'm not the only one with aching legs. I shoudn''t have been smoking all those years too because my lung capacity just ain't there. Maybe next time I should ride with an oxygen bottle.
But it was worth it.
How about doing the Eames House and the Sturgis on the next ride?
06.2.08 - 12:20 pm
Thanks for putting this ride together Marcus. I had a blast rolling through the neighborhoods. The houses on the stops were awesome to see where they were, but my fav was the one above that we went to that was an add on.
Next time I'll get some rest before doing those hills. Still loved the route and great getting schooled by all the architect nerds.
06.2.08 - 12:34 pm
Yesterday was so nice. We had it made w/ the perfect weather and a awsome group! Thanks!! The hills were tough but I am glad we got to see as much as we did!! sour oranges for everyone!! ;)
cant wait for part 2!
06.2.08 - 5:44 pm
Get in touch with me, I can do some organizing. Sooner da betta.
06.2.08 - 9:25 pm
USER1 ! whats your email???
06.3.08 - 10:22 am
I am fearing that I may not be able to coordinate a good ride for this Sunday. Would anyone mind me postponing it, or would like to take over for this Sunday?
06.4.08 - 10:19 am
My vote is to postpone it.
06.4.08 - 10:50 am
Ok, I am sorry to do this, but...
FLLWride IS POSTPONED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE!
mk4524 has expressed interests in planning this, but I am sure will love some help with it. To plan one correctly, it does take a bit of effort. Please respect that, and sorry if I caused any inconvenience to anyone! Kick me later!
06.5.08 - 3:15 pm
With skidmarcus leaving town, let's see if we can still put together a part ii of this ride.
Contact me at mk4524 at yahoo dot com and let's see if we can set up a group off-line to organize the sequel to this ride.
06.30.08 - 4:56 pm
Brian put this route together! I am looking forward to seeing a lot of these places for the first time! Hope all the Part 1 Wridazz make it out, too!
08.7.08 - 3:32 am
Thanks for posting this ride
08.7.08 - 10:51 am
08.7.08 - 12:25 pm
Since you've been on a couple of these rides, I was going to email you about this ride but don't have your email anymore. I know you've posted it here before but I was too lazy to go looking for it. Could you send it to me at my mk4524 at yahoo dot com?'
08.7.08 - 1:21 pm
I want to do this ride despite Al and his new robo persona being there.
and my new all-inclusive-love-everybody-persona
08.7.08 - 1:42 pm
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08.7.08 - 3:41 pm
Alan you made me laugh snot out of my nose.... I am clueless where this robot thing came from.... what thread do I need to go to, so I can understand? And laugh more snot.
08.7.08 - 8:43 pm