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tagging reported.
Thread started by TheRaquel at 06.15.09 - 11:56 am

Someone tell the guy that tagged on the Ridazz of the Old West ride to watch it cuz i turn his photo into the LAPD on saturday.

i will not tolaerate anyone giving a ride a bad name with that high school bullshit.



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Pure awesome.



JB
06.15.09 - 11:59 am

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I'm so glad you got a photo of him. No, tagging, won't be tolerated on rides. We will catch you. Does anyone know the guy's name, have any info on him? Racquel, please post the photo here too. Out him.

The policy is this, in case you are unaware - Do not tag on rides. Simple enough, right?



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by JB
06.15.09 - 12:06 pm

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Oh shit!



HappyLand
06.15.09 - 12:07 pm

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Taggers, bottle breakers, wheelie poppers, traffic cone kickers and other douche bag behavior is not welcome in the commuinity.

If you happen to be dancing in womens underwear, then we welcome your frollic.





revolutionary
06.15.09 - 12:08 pm

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I understand the frustration. And you have the right to do what you need to do.
But might I humbly suggest that we focus more on self-policing.
That we use those megaphones and peer pressure to dissuade people from engaging in that activity on rides.

Inviting the cops into our scene is not necessarily what is going to help it thrive and be alive in the years to come.

I consider Midnight Ridazz like family. And at what point do we call the cops on family members vs. having a serious sit down with them ... or even a public tongue lashing to bring unwanted behavior into line.

My mom caught me shoplifting when i was kid.
She didn't call the cops on me ... she just embarrassed the fuck out of me.

Where is the line drawn?
Everybody will have a different opinion.
But certainly compared to theft and fighting ... i'd be much more inclined to talk to somebody about graff, then to call the copz.








trickmilla
06.15.09 - 12:20 pm

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The behavior at the Staples Center last night is really bothering me. WTF is wrong with people? Totally embarrassing to watch.



Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 12:25 pm

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when i get my photo cd back from LAPD i will post his photo and his little yellow bike too



TheRaquel
06.15.09 - 12:25 pm

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I see your point, but your mom catching you is different.

Megaphones and chastising do not stop these things from happening, and we'd rather spend our time enjoying the rides and good company than choosing between watching out for assholes or letting them get away with it.

The flip side is the cops can, and have, been called on us anyway. I believe it's far better to be a responsible ride organizer/participant and citizen and report activity that we do not condone, at least in the group setting. I can't change the way a person wants to live and the choices they want to make, but I can make an effort to remove them from my environment and protect the group. By weeding them out, we draw *less* attention to what we do, in my opinion. I don't want to stand by and "hope" they get the message cuz we yelled at them. I'm very glad Racquel did what she did and I hope others choose to make similar decisions.



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by trickmilla
06.15.09 - 12:29 pm

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tagging really hurts the reputation of the rides. no doubt. cut that shit out.



Roadblock
06.15.09 - 12:49 pm

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+1000



TheDude
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
06.15.09 - 12:49 pm

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The tagger was a young Mexican male, about 5 foot 7 inches, average build.

He had a white T-shit with a large bike screen printed in black on the chest.

Him and his "crew" were hanging out by the port-a-potties at the last stop.

I didn't have a camera at the time, or I would have snapped a pic of him in action, spraying the back side of the port-a-poopers.

This is not cool.



TheDude
06.15.09 - 12:53 pm

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I think you have good points, but Friday night was definitely an exception. I was there when Raq called them out on Harry's sound system, and then when we got to Chiparaki I even noticed that some people had hit up the bathrooms outside, which many people didn't appreciate.



imachynna
responding to a comment by trickmilla
06.15.09 - 12:57 pm

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I would suggest that we have also had the cops called for loud music, corking, as well as drinking and smoking. However with all of the above we manage to self regulate to keep shit in check.

Nobody wants to be a babysitter. But we should have a system in place so we are not criminalizing our own rides. Even is it is not FUN even it is work. We should not be look to the cops to babysit us (not that they have the time, resources, or interest to do so).

I don't know the whole context so I'm not making any judgments.
I am not criticizing Raquel.
I'm just saying WE should step up and be better about self-policing and that calling the cops should be a last resort when all else fails.



trickmilla
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
06.15.09 - 1:03 pm

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I had no idea they got that spot too. : ( That's too bad. I probably would have confronted him and that may not have gone so well anyway (me angry + stupid kid = fight?), so I'm glad I didn't see him. I just saw the dude in the 3rd st tunnel and didn't find him after that, but I definitely remember what he looks like.



kryxtanicole
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06.15.09 - 1:18 pm

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No one called the cops. She took his picture about reported him as a tagger. hopefully the location of his tags too.

somethings are conseted to within this community and others, like tagging and stealing are not. I think you are taking too much of a black and white approach. Nonetheless, racquel and I led this ride and both agreed on how to handle this issue.



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by trickmilla
06.15.09 - 1:22 pm

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There's always going to be newbie douchebags who come out on a rides and do stupid shit. We can't prevent that from not happening. Sad, but true.

All we can do is call that person out for their actions and how they are damaging the reputation of our ride. Eventually, hopefully, those people's behavior will begin to change.

I do agree with trickmilla that we don't need to call the cops, unless someone is become aggressive and physically abusive and violent.

People should be responsible for their own actions. But, like Raquel's intent, as a community we can try to point out peoples wrong actions and condemn them. If they have any common sense, eventually they will change.

Violence against corporate property isn't violence.

Civil disobedience is meaningless if a person has no idea what she or he stands for.

Just my opinion.



Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 1:39 pm

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How do we know he's Mexican? Or not Salvadorian? Or Guatemalan? Etc..



mattspeed
responding to a comment by TheDude
06.15.09 - 1:42 pm

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But Borfo, that's not "all we can do," as evidenced by how we chose to handle this situation. Anyone has a right to choose how they handle things (and to criticize us for it, fair enough).

To reitereate, no one called the cops.

Also, the tunnel is not corporate property. The tunnel is city property, and I would rather have my tax dollars go to something other than cleaning up that tag, whether or not it should be there, that is the outcome. I love street art, but it has its place. And it's not violence, it's vandalism. You know this.





kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 1:45 pm

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I agree, Krista.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
06.15.09 - 1:48 pm

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i think most ridazz draw a distinction between cyclists drinking and smoking vs stealing and tagging. i also think cops draw the same distinction. the difference is that the latter are crimes against property.

the fact that we're condoning the former and condemning the latter may invite some undue attention, but if we make it clear to the cops that we support their efforts to protect our communities from property crime, we can make a better image for ourselves.

on top of that, who wants people tagging anyhow? i think our goal should be to help identify taggers, so that they drop the notion that there is "safety in our numbers." Ridazz should be no safe haven for shitheads.

if i catch some dickhead tagging on my neighbor's fence, i'll take his picture. why should it be any different when we're on a ride?



tortuga_veloce
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
06.15.09 - 1:51 pm

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+500 @ Borfo
+250 @ mattspeed
hell... he might have even been Portugese!



ONEpedalDEATHkick 818
06.15.09 - 1:52 pm

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+1
those guatemalans are nothing but trouble.



tortuga_veloce
responding to a comment by mattspeed
06.15.09 - 1:52 pm

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Serious same with those Nicaragüenses!



mattspeed
responding to a comment by tortuga_veloce
06.15.09 - 1:58 pm

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dont even get me started on the puertoriquenses. they're so LAZY!!!



tortuga_veloce
responding to a comment by mattspeed
06.15.09 - 1:59 pm

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I agree with trickmilla snd Borfo. I dont like the idea of turning people into the cops unsless they have violently attacked someone. I mean where does it end. technecly ridding your bike under the influence is illigal and is punishable by DUI. what if someone starts calling the cops on anyone they see do it. And tagging does not hurt anybody. But if someone gets to drunk and takes out another rider because of it then he has just injured someone. I dont condone tagging on rides I aslo dont condone ratting people out to the police.



buckchin
06.15.09 - 2:00 pm

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I swear, most young shits and their tendency to go and cause trouble for no apparent reason other than to be dicks.

I still say these types of things wouldn't happen as much if parents were allowed to spank their kids and not get looked at like some kind of Leper.




bentstrider
06.15.09 - 2:03 pm

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I agree with that kids have no fear of adults these days.



buckchin
responding to a comment by bentstrider
06.15.09 - 2:04 pm

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im not a fan of graffiti either but if ur gonna going to get cops involved, why dont u start with turning in the people buying 15 year olds 12 packs?






KiMS1
06.15.09 - 2:05 pm

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then what about taking peoples' pictures and informing the community? i dont want these people to think that it's ok. maybe the act of taking peoples' pictures will scare them off. if they want to tag, let them leave the ride and do it somewhere else.



tortuga_veloce
responding to a comment by buckchin
06.15.09 - 2:06 pm

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why should they fear any adults on these rides?


why would some hot head 16 yr old from east los angeles fear some burn out 26 yr old from santa monica?

i think trickmilla had it right with the whole humiliation thing.

if someone shits, make them sit in it.



KiMS1
responding to a comment by buckchin
06.15.09 - 2:08 pm

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Don't make me list all your potential misdemeanors and infractions, 'cause I got a list, baby!



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by KiMS1
06.15.09 - 2:09 pm

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You guys do whatever you want. I'm just pointing out that reporting to the police isn't favored by many here, unless it's warranted.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by tortuga_veloce
06.15.09 - 2:11 pm

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My props go the TheRaquel!!! Great Job!



X-Large
06.15.09 - 2:11 pm

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I was more reffering to 10 12 year old kids. not teenagers on the rides



buckchin
responding to a comment by KiMS1
06.15.09 - 2:13 pm

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I totally remember those guys!
They got into one of those chest puffing, no you back down, shouting matches as i was making my way to the loo. Very weird to have to walk past & back through that.

P.S. the dude abides
<3 <3 <3



revolutionary
responding to a comment by TheDude
06.15.09 - 2:18 pm

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JOE BORFO!!!


yes, when i first started riding, i was complete shit head. i broke windows, threw things at people, etc. pretty similar to the idiots we have now.

but the difference between then and now is that when i was a shithead, people like sexy, paul, & roadblock, tall dudes with big fists, told me to chill out. when i fucked around, they called me out and made me feel like a douche. that straightened me out quick.


no one fucking calls people out anymore.


the last RWNN i went on, some kids were tagging on a street pole, i fucking shouted obsceneties and them and told them i was going to punch them. they stopped tagging and rode on. but u know what, FUCKING EVERYONE AROUND ME GAVE ME WEIRD
LOOKS.

where was everyone else that talks all this shit on the forum about cracking skulls?

where the fuck was everyone else?






KiMS1
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 2:19 pm

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RAAM STONEBREW 2 _____ SWINE FLU 359



TheDude
06.15.09 - 2:24 pm

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I got your back, Mike... Even if you are a Fluffa.

also.

I support Raquel, always will.

I don't have faith that the cops took her seriously. I doubt they even have the photo. I don't think they fucking care. I'm just jaded about the bacon.



Joe Borfo
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06.15.09 - 2:24 pm

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When I first started riding, I never engaged in any of those activities.

If I make anything explode, it's usually when I'm crashing some dude-bruh party by myself up in the desert.
You know how long it takes to get cat piss out of a truck-interior?



bentstrider
06.15.09 - 2:24 pm

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yeah, perhaps we are ourselves a victim of our numbers. maybe we should all start getting our crazy on and yelling at people more.



tortuga_veloce
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06.15.09 - 2:24 pm

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Observe and Report:

To pay my rent, I work as a CA registered security guard when I'm not in school or at my other job. I work the night and graveyard shifts. My job is to reduce the principal's liability as much as my limited powers will allow. I can make myself visible and offer stern words of warning, even make the ordinary citizen's arrest in some cases, but I CANNOT act as a police officer nor would I ever want to. What I have found in my humble experience is that I like my daily reports to be as short as possible, and my reporting style is to record every single action I perform for the duration of my shift. This means me actively limiting liability instead of waiting and watching the shit go wrong like a bad rerun. So what are my tools for such a task then?

Lungs, diaphragm, eyeballs, balls, and everything else I can utilize without needing to escalate the situation to any other level.

Another important component of this task is my personal dynamic within the team.


Juss sayin..



profoscurity
06.15.09 - 2:26 pm

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@adam

you dont have to say anything at all to scare a 16-year old tagger. you just have to look at him.



tortuga_veloce
responding to a comment by bentstrider
06.15.09 - 2:26 pm

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It's not about yelling either. 420Laharr will confront you and respectfully ask you to chill the fuck out. It's way more effective than (immitates best Mike Kim voice), "STOP FUCKING TAGGING YOU BITCHES!!!"

...Get it?



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by tortuga_veloce
06.15.09 - 2:27 pm

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yeah, honestly, do u want to put forth the effort and speak with cops about OUR problems???

don't u think they're irritated by us enough?



everyone bitches and whines about how things USED TO BE COOL AND NOW THINGS ARE SKETCHY.

well if u want it to be the way it was, start acting like it.

i swear, the population of riders went from a diverse group of strong willed individuals to a bunch of fucking babies.

WAH WAH WAH, SOMEONE STOLE MY BIKE, SOMEONE STOLE MY BAG, SOMEONE CRASHED INTO ME AND WRECKED MY WHEEL.


FUCK!





KiMS1
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 2:29 pm

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sexy is not a tall dude with a big fist.



ruinedbyidiots
06.15.09 - 2:30 pm

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I've been doing this same job, off and on since '03.
Takes care of the bills until I'm able to get back into a truck, or cough up the fortitude to do something else/get educated, I dunno.

But yeah, I have troubles not with skaters or taggers coming onto property, but the other guards I work with that like to act like cops.
I call them out on this, then they get into a little hissy-fit about me telling them what to do.

I simply tell them, "Go down to the sheriffs headquarters in San Berdo and take the written test for deputy if you're so tough!!"




bentstrider
responding to a comment by profoscurity
06.15.09 - 2:31 pm

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agreed.

i may not have went abotu it in the best way, but come on, it stopped them right?

i may have risked getting punched in the mouth but at least im standing by my word unlike a whole shit ton of "ridazz" we see now.



KiMS1
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 2:32 pm

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huh? you're weird!



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by KiMS1
06.15.09 - 2:32 pm

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well i'm 5'6 and i have small hands.

so there.





KiMS1
responding to a comment by ruinedbyidiots
06.15.09 - 2:32 pm

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Well, I haven't encountered any taggers myself on any rides yet, but thanks for making me aware of my penance stare.



bentstrider
responding to a comment by tortuga_veloce
06.15.09 - 2:34 pm

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ugh,

i have to poop now



KiMS1
06.15.09 - 2:35 pm

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I just favorited that post.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by bentstrider
06.15.09 - 2:35 pm

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Preview of a coming scenario?





bentstrider
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 2:38 pm

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"You know how long it takes to get cat piss out of a truck-interior?"

I give up, how long?



User1
responding to a comment by bentstrider
06.15.09 - 2:47 pm

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Um, i've got the same features, and they do not hinder my ability to act in an ethically authoritative manner. So no excuse.



profoscurity
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06.15.09 - 2:55 pm

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+1 for Raquel doing something. Cause things ain't getting done with this big brother telling little bro whasup. I think it's works in our favor letting these taggers know they may have the cops to deal with one of these days. That puts a hell of alot more fear into them than being their pals. Lot more effective too!

One thing I don't get is that you guys don't tolerate tagging, but apparently stabbing another ridazz is ok? WTF??? I'll take the tagging any day, report the dick with the knife, yeah? Especially if he assaults someone! You want your ride to go to shit in a hurry? Don't worry, you're on the right track!



User1
06.15.09 - 2:56 pm

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So he was mexican? or Guetelmalen?



Avis_One
06.15.09 - 2:56 pm

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What are you talking about? What knife?



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by User1
06.15.09 - 2:58 pm

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and the hypocrisy goes on, blasting on some kid for tagging on this thread...... and yet we have another thread promoting an all out wheat paste poster campaign.

1 tag vs. 40000 posters where do we draw the line????


please spare the wheat pasting is not graffiti bullshit....... ask a cop and see what he says.



AIDS66
06.15.09 - 3:07 pm

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The wheat pasting campaign has got a meaningful message to promote. It's not the same as one marking territory.


And eff the po po.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by AIDS66
06.15.09 - 3:13 pm

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i carry my utility knife wherever I go. it is attached to my keys and round-nosed pliers. but yeah regular knives longer than 3" is questionable. we are already armed with the greatest weapons of all, our minds and our bikes.



profoscurity
06.15.09 - 3:16 pm

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oh yeah, and HEARTS.



profoscurity
06.15.09 - 3:17 pm

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what people object to with tagging on rides is that it reflects the group
it is no exaggeration to say that the postering effort is an effort to save lives.
there is an ethical difference between putting up a community message and tagging to get fame.
there just is.

we as an MR community are against tagging on rides because it is not what we as a community are about.

those who decide to participate in the postering effort will do so by their own accord.
people who don't want to particpate need not be around it.










trickmilla
responding to a comment by AIDS66
06.15.09 - 3:25 pm

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our minds, our hearts and our bikes?


jeez, don't u feel that's a bit kooky?


our greatest weapon should be stop doing massive party rides and have people just ride.

its a bicycle.

get over urself.


people should just bike where they need to go, bike for fun, bike with friends whatever,


if you put hundreds of people on bikes and mix booze with it,

what else would u expect?





KiMS1
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06.15.09 - 3:34 pm

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the sad thing is the reason these toys tag on rides is because they feel they're safely cloaked by all the riders around them. they don't have the balls to catch a tag on their own time by themselves, so they're willing to put the rides reputation at risk. there's a time and place for everything, toys.





coldcut
06.15.09 - 3:34 pm

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"MEXICAN"... EH!. since theres no one else to blame hu? can we also not generalize and just say"some dumb ass kid"? hijo de chusma!!!!!!



sancho1
responding to a comment by TheDude
06.15.09 - 3:35 pm

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I'm talking about Eddieboy's attack on Matt. You didn't know about that? Maybe Matt would like to give a rundown on what went down? Seems like everyone should be aware of this attacker, shouldn't they?



User1
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06.15.09 - 3:36 pm

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man i'm down for the poster campaign, shit i'm going to to talk to Roadblock about how to bring the price down on production cost.

what bugs me is that " because this poster campaign has a MESSAGE" it's cool , and lets go out fuck up the streets. i've been down this road I've put up tags, stencils, stickers, posters, and in the end cops don't give a shit if you have a message or not. to them all of it, is graffiti.




AIDS66
responding to a comment by trickmilla
06.15.09 - 3:37 pm

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unless the posters you're putting up are glossy printed ads for some corporate bullshit. then it's all cool to the pigs.



coldcut
responding to a comment by AIDS66
06.15.09 - 3:39 pm

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d User1 ???



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by User1
06.15.09 - 3:47 pm

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this post intrigues me and i would like to know more. can i subscribe to your news letter?



ruinedbyidiots
responding to a comment by User1
06.15.09 - 3:49 pm

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I'm not sure how true that is. People willing to do this should know the risks and promote a security culture...


... so I guess we shouldn't be discussing this online.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by coldcut
06.15.09 - 3:51 pm

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Not only was the WILD WEST ride a bullshit ride, I will never do another one organized by the stupid girls and their brit boy who thought it necessary to lecture everyone. Put the mic where you need it, and loosen up.

I hope you really did report the tagger, and since everyone knows who you little organizers are, look like, and that you probably frequent the rides; I hope the reported tagger has a nice time looking out for you.

Leave it up to some out of state chicks and their brit bitch to come to LA and act this way. Next time you have a group ride near skid row, take pictures and report some real crimes, you pussies.







mrk
06.15.09 - 3:51 pm

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Don't feed the butt hole troll. ^



Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 3:53 pm

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Harry was probably mad Manchester sold Cristiano Ronaldo to Madrid........ so he got aggro



AIDS66
06.15.09 - 3:55 pm

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aw fuck it...

You try organizing a ride then! Okay?

Otherwise I don't give a shit what you write.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 3:56 pm

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Mr. Borfo, you have to recognize the ride was some last minute stuff. So it lent it self for Failure



AIDS66
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 3:59 pm

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@User1 - I agree, but Matt has clearly chosen to leave that off the forums. Plenty of conversations can be be had in real life. Let's leave that one there.

@mrk - Your attempts at insult make me laugh. Especially the out-of-town part, I'm more L.A. than you could ever be, so quit trippin'. Do what you want, no skin off my back, that's for sure.



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 4:02 pm

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it's so hard not to!



coldcut
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 4:03 pm

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Coldcut please come to bike n bake tonite!



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by coldcut
06.15.09 - 4:05 pm

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I would have helped out, but I couldn't be there. What was so fail about it?

Why does MRK have to give "the girls" shit about it. Screw that unless he can show us how it's done.

Harry can say whatever the hell he wants. He's got the experience points to do so. Try pulling the Music trailer every ride for 20 miles! That's my Brit Wanker he's dogging, and I won't put up with it.

I heard different about the West ride. So I guess it doesn't matter.

Why do I even bother?



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by AIDS66
06.15.09 - 4:06 pm

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yeah, i know what you mean.


what i meant was i've seen plenty of "street team" pasters out there in broad daylight, postering ads for cds, video games, etc. i don't think they're likely to get hassled.



coldcut
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06.15.09 - 4:06 pm

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Alright, alright. It's silly to start arguing over one's decisions. Everyone has a different opinion, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Raquel's choice was to send the photo to a cop, and that's it. She did it, it's her decision.
Let's quit bickering. It's unnecessary. Can't we all just get along?



imachynna
06.15.09 - 4:06 pm

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i will be there!




coldcut
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
06.15.09 - 4:07 pm

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voice of reason.




coldcut
responding to a comment by imachynna
06.15.09 - 4:10 pm

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and HEARTS.



profoscurity
06.15.09 - 4:10 pm

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your ignorance sickens me.



coldcut
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 4:11 pm

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And my point so its not misunderstood...

If you have the "courage" to take a photo, complete the ride, blast a person on the forums, and turn them in to the police - FOR TAGGING - then stop, please stop talking about your stupid community.

Stop swinging by Orange 20 because they are pro-graffitti (im not making any toy distinctions). But if some dope writer hit up that tunnel, your little mini-skits would be singing a different tune because you praise one artist for a crime and come down on another for the same crime.

Easy to do from a message board. You had the person with you on the ride, you should have lectured from more than a mic.

I dare Raquel and Brit boy to go buy a few gallons of paint and buff out SABER in the wash, or to stop riding through "hip" little neighborhoods built on artist who didnt "obey" your amateur standards. Speaking of Obey, kind of strange that a guy who didnt always have a political message, in fact too advantage of you white kids, and had you plaster stickers all over Los Angeles to make him famous and rich, now has his own fixed bike, and represented your new president via posters.

I'll back up that tagger way before i back up this false sense of Midnight Ridazz community. Ive been around it long enough to see through the bullshit.

Kids, I promise you, there is no community--its bullshit. You can do a ride and suck in the vision of homeless people in downtown, but cant stomach a tagger.

BBBBBBUUUUUUULLLLLL SHIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

That is typical of your stupid community.

Fuck Midnight Ridazz... thats why i stopped riding soon after the original organizers gave it up to this website.





mrk
06.15.09 - 4:11 pm

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yess but we are not the cops.
we are ridazz.
our actions are not dictated by what cops say is good or bad. they are dictated by what we consider to be ethical/ moral/ effective.

overwhelmingly ridazz don't want other ridazz tagging on rides.
for many of us, this is totally separate from our views on tagging and graffiti in general.

but, what is at debate here is the best way to stop/ handle tagging that happens on rides.



trickmilla
responding to a comment by AIDS66
06.15.09 - 4:12 pm

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I saw those kids tagging. We yelled at them from accross the street and one of them got pissed cause i said "Throw your weak ass kiddie tags up somewheres else."

He came over a few minutes later and talked to me about it. I explained how tagging at our stops burns our spot and mentioned to him that the people who run that spot were nice enough to have porta potties for us to use and that they shouldn't shit on our spot.

He was like " Ok man, I'm sorry I didnt know." That should have been the end of it as far as I am concerned.



@User1
Alan thats my drama not yours. get your own.

@Useless Troll.

Those girls aern't from out of town. Raquell lives and works near downtown. and Krista is from NOHO. Get your facts straight.

And the one you called "Brit Boy".... thats harry and hes been riding with us longer than 99% of the people talking shit. He keeps us safe by doing the dirty work that no-one else wants to do so pretty please..... shut your fucking mouth.... with sugar on top.

@Aids
Whats your problem? Don't ride be cool to my face then talk shit on the internet. Thats a bitch move.










stillline
06.15.09 - 4:12 pm

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if you're a real writer and a true artist, you'd understand why tagging undermines our goals to simply have fun without confrontations by law enforcement.

come back why your words and art actually have some clout, toy.



coldcut
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 4:16 pm

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You ate too many hatertots today. Go ride 'em off.



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 4:17 pm

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when*



coldcut
06.15.09 - 4:17 pm

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how am i talking shit?



AIDS66
responding to a comment by stillline
06.15.09 - 4:17 pm

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@kryxtanicole

So we can out someone that's tagging, but not someone that has stabbed another rida? Sorry, I fail to see the logic in that. Matt can do whatever he wants, if he doesn't want to warn people about a dangerous and frankly unstable person we have on our rides, that's fine. I feel different. I think there's a responsibility to warn people. Yeah that's right, there's now a possibility of getting stabbed by another rida out there. But Eddie doesn't have anything to worry about, cause there ain't shit anyone is going to do about it. Anyway we're one big happy family. We take care of our own. :-)



User1
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
06.15.09 - 4:18 pm

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AGAIN....

YOU CAN RIDE BY HOMELESS PEOPLE ON RIDE, BUT TURN IN A TAGGER.

BULLSHIT...

And I think you get my point... I dont need to post anymore.

And whether it matters or not.

Ive been on some of the best rides early on... and this one sucked for the most part... most people left at HOME DEPOT. As I did. And like most people who stopped riding critical mass in los angeles... YES, designing a route is not hard. Pulling a trialer with 20lbs is not hard. I use to pull a 60lb boy....

Fancy yourself hardcore... I can tell the chubby girl isnt that strong of a rider. But the bloody wanker didnt got a hard-on when others were riding up front and he purposely turn right to spite them. We were right next to you... sorry your ego was so hurt.

I quote brit boy: "these bloody wankers, how do you know where the ride is going, Im the only one who knows, RRRIIIIIIIIIIGHHHHT" We've been laughing at you at work all day.

Oh and how about that beautiful circle in Highland park--inspirational.



mrk
06.15.09 - 4:20 pm

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The eddie and matt story isnt drama. People should actually talk about it on here and let people know what went on. If matty pimp daddy doesnt want to share with forum then ill respect his wishes..



Debut213
06.15.09 - 4:20 pm

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@MRK

You don't knwo shit about these people. Many of the ridazz are taggers and some of them are really well known graffiti artists. They just have enough sense not to do it at the places we chill. Its called respect. Look it up in the dictionary cause you obviously dont know what it means.

You just want to front really hard on the site so you can feel like you're way more "street" than you really are.







stillline
06.15.09 - 4:25 pm

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Matt tell me how i'm talking shit?????


1. and the hypocrisy goes on, blasting on some kid for tagging on this thread...... and yet we have another thread promoting an all out wheat paste poster campaign.

1 tag vs. 40000 posters where do we draw the line????


please spare the wheat pasting is not graffiti bullshit....... ask a cop and see what he says.



2. man i'm down for the poster campaign, shit i'm going to to talk to Roadblock about how to bring the price down on production cost.

what bugs me is that " because this poster campaign has a MESSAGE" it's cool , and lets go out fuck up the streets. i've been down this road I've put up tags, stencils, stickers, posters, and in the end cops don't give a shit if you have a message or not. to them all of it, is graffiti.

3. Harry was probably mad Manchester sold Cristiano Ronaldo to Madrid........ so he got aggro

4.Mr. Borfo, you have to recognize the ride was some last minute stuff. So it lent it self for Failure




AIDS66
06.15.09 - 4:26 pm

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Man this thread has got me through work reallly fast today. time to ride home looks like it might rain.



buckchin
responding to a comment by Debut213
06.15.09 - 4:26 pm

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"thats why i stopped riding"

thats why you don't know shit about this "community".

you don't organize rides and dump energy and money into other people's riding and fun do you?

I doubt it.

if you did you would understand why people want others to follow a certain code eithics on rides.

no judgement on what they do at other times ... but on rides with us respect your fellow ridazz.

some ridazz like to play with guns.
thats great
but they are smart enough to leave them at home.

etc etc etc ....

what is "BBBBBBUUUUUUULLLLLL SHIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT"
is all you whiney bitching about something that is FREE something that others bust ass for you are anybody to enjoy for free.

LOTS of ridazz like graff, make graff, have retired from graff ... but they are smart enough to keep their krink in their pockets when they are riding with a group.

"FUCK MIDNIGHT RIDAZZ"
indeed there is no reason f your to be here.
stop wasting your/our time.





trickmilla
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 4:26 pm

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YOU CAN RIDE BY HOMELESS PEOPLE ON RIDE, BUT TURN IN A TAGGER.

is being homeless against the law?



ruinedbyidiots
06.15.09 - 4:27 pm

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buckchin, that's exactly why I frequent this site so much...



Debut213
responding to a comment by buckchin
06.15.09 - 4:29 pm

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I agree with the guy who talked with the kids about tagging... it should be approached that way...

Ive talked to kids about breaking bottles, and confronted them. I dont turn them in. Thats a pussy move.

I'll voice my opinion outside a message board. Next time i ride, if i see brit boy, I'll be sure to tell him I think he is lame. If you hear it, then its me.

Of course I dont know where any of you kids are from, Im talking shit, and I care to have facts straight about where you work or how long you've lived in los angeles.

Gentrification is happening in Los Angeles, and more often then not, I will get the generalization correct. All these out of state kids who wants to find a "cool" place to live, pushed out a lot of people who made the area "cool".

Just like many other areas, some colored kids make something cool, and lighter colored kids buy it when its stolen and mass produced. Thank grafitti for Echo Park, and your melrose alleys, and you hipster jeans...

Toys are wack... but no one every said they were mad because the kids cant write. If that were the case I would have kept my mouth shut.

Fuck MR's pseudo-community.





mrk
06.15.09 - 4:33 pm

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@debut213
Tons of ridazz saw what happened on the train and no-one seemed to really give a shit about it so whats the point in talking about it here?


I already handled my shit. We stay away from each other now and thats suitable solution for me.

If you and alan want to start some site drama pick another topic please.






stillline
06.15.09 - 4:34 pm

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I really enjoyed the route we had, it was much fun ::)

<3 for the girls.

@mrk - You dont know what you are talking about. I know OG writers who ride with us. They set the example. Their names are legends. They like to ride their bicycles . They ride with us and we ride with them. Its all for the love of bicycles. They dont come out to write , they come out for the ride. Unfortunately someone was made into an example , which sux but if thats what it takes for people to learn their lesson. If you want to go mobbing , go with your crew, or by yourself. (OH yeah dont bring your crew to the rides if your planning on catching spots.)



Hectic
06.15.09 - 4:34 pm

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is breaking bottles illegal?



ruinedbyidiots
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 4:35 pm

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Are you losing your home due to gentrification? You've made one too many remarks about hipsters and gentrification and echo park for someone that isn't.



imachynna
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 4:35 pm

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Are you a cop?
Then stop using their stupid logic.

There may not be a difference in the eyes of stuipd cops but there is a difference in our eyes.

If some jackoff was putting up stupid posters on an MR rides there would be the same complaints. Not about the Graff or Posters ... that somebody

DID IT ON A MIDNIGHT RIDAZZ RIDE ...

is that clear?
this is about people tagging and doing shit ON RIDES when the majority of people don't want them to.

This is about people not judging Midnight Ridazz by pointless trash and vandalizim left in out wake.



trickmilla
responding to a comment by AIDS66
06.15.09 - 4:36 pm

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being toy is way more about mentality than skills, son. at least your skills improve with practice and time.

you are toy.

the guy who talked to them about tagging was a friend, and i agree with how he approached it. even then though, these kids were trying to front like they were tough.

ughhhh.



coldcut
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 4:38 pm

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all i have heard so far is bla bla bla i am still a D-bag

if you dont like it go strat a tagging ride and tag all you want..i won go andyou will be safe.

but do not do it when i am around or i will take your photo and i will report you.

and if you want to go on a fast ride then go to wolf pack
general rule: if it is a MR ride then stay behind the music!

and thank you Trasis, Krista, Harry, Renee & Stillline for everything

and Harry if you really are my "brit Bitch" i have never been happier to have bitch like you cuzz your fuckin awesome

Kisses xoxo
Raquel



TheRaquel
06.15.09 - 4:40 pm

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does anyone really care about the topic anymore?

or is everyone just here to argue and bash people.


here's something to bash on,


I'm a racist.

I banned brown people from riding on TNS.


come and bash me you bitchez.




KiMS1
06.15.09 - 4:40 pm

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OHHAI
but waht bout teh kittehs?

kthxbai





Knittens
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 4:40 pm

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@Aids

I fucked up. Meant to reply to a different screen name. Ooops.





stillline
responding to a comment by coldcut
06.15.09 - 4:42 pm

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Is being homeless against the law?

It should be...I think it should be a crime to be homeless. I just think the criminal has a home.

My point is--how can you ride through that scene and then be so upset about a tagger?

Midnight Ridazz, how we ride is against the law. So my point is that youre all picking and choosing your laws. Just because one is cool, the other is a toy--give me break. Weak distinction. Because one act has meaning, and well, the other looks like fame--weak distinction. This poster has a message and we plastered it on someone else building without permission, so its cool, be it has a message--weak distinction. What if your message is wrong? What is I dont agree with your message?

Your weak case against a tagger is so flawed, but it drove you to send a pic to LAPD. Anyone on this forum who thinks there isnt some nonsense in that act, is a hypocrite to the nth degree.

You went overboard turning the kid in... you could have talked to him. Suddenly you want to hurt him, punish him, and whatever else you wanted to see happen.

Probably a republican.

Ohhhh, I went below the belt, Im sure that one really hurt outside of my other BS





mrk
06.15.09 - 4:43 pm

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Have you made friends on an MR ride?
That IS community.
People that you see over and over again and you know they will have your back.
Thats real.

Stop bitching and do something
Make sometrhing

Seriously, if you have gripes but aren't willing do shit but bitch and complain, don't ride with us, don't come back.

If you are just leeching off of everybody else's work then I can see why you think there is no community here. You think everybody is a leech like you.

Even the biggest douchebag loud-mouths on this board contribute to this community.
There there's you.





trickmilla
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 4:44 pm

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It should be...I think it should be a crime to be homeless. I just think the criminal has a home.

keep going somewhere with this. no, really.



ruinedbyidiots
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 4:46 pm

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miaooouuuw.



chynnacat
responding to a comment by Knittens
06.15.09 - 4:47 pm

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MRK,

I actually see a couple of your points.

But why do you have to be such a

BITCH?





Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 4:49 pm

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"If you and alan want to start some site drama pick another topic please. "

No Matt, not starting any site drama. Just giving people a heads up that there's someone whacked enough to stab you on the rides we go on, that's all. Why this should be swept under the rug hasn't been explained to me yet. Maybe you care to try?



User1
responding to a comment by stillline
06.15.09 - 4:52 pm

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@MRK

Come on dude, if you tag in front of 400 people chances are one of them is going to gice you shit for it. You guys just need to be more ninja.

You're like the guy who runs accross the 405 during rush hour and complains that none of the cars stopped for you.

Raquel turned your toy-boy in cause he fucked up and thats real talk homie.

We don'tneed you to like us or think we're cool.

No-one here is gonna defend your right to fuck up our reputation.

If you do something on a ride that refelcts on the whole community then we are gonna call you out for it and if that doesn't work then someone else may decide to call the cops on you

We've had this problem for way too long now and people are tired of all this weak ass toy bullshit.











stillline
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 4:53 pm

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lets all go to 50MM and talk shit there.......... it's more fun there



AIDS66
06.15.09 - 4:53 pm

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Personally I'm immensely against SNITCHING on people, under certain circumstances its the right thing to do. But for tagging? No, I don't agree with it.

Its not that big of a deal, but people act like its the end of the world.

The charges for tagging are outrageous and I don't wish that on anyone, especially younger kids because once they get caught and go through the "Justice system" it only teaches them how to hate and become a very bitter person with no remorse. You guys do not understand what thats like and you NEVER will, EVER.

All of this could have been dealt with very easily if we would just step up and COMMUNICATE on a LEVEL HEADED basis, there is no need to talk down to people because you don't accept their behavior.

Do you guys honestly think that by telling on some kid is gonna end all the graffiti on the rides? NO, its not gonna end it and it never will. Thats the harsh reality of it, but there are ways to deal with it. Communication.

Dealing with this is as easy as you want it to be.






Graham
06.15.09 - 4:55 pm

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@Alan

Please just leave it alone.



stillline
06.15.09 - 4:55 pm

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...you think it's a crime to be homeless.. really!? woah.. can you be anymore of an asshole?

Tagging is illegal and its destroying property.. how we ride is just for fun and honestly not doing any harm, sure we may piss off drivers, but most seem to enjoy seeing a groups of kids out riding bikes.



Thegirlinglass
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 4:56 pm

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that's what I was trying to say.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Graham
06.15.09 - 4:57 pm

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Geez....

Look, lets just be honest... your ride did pretty much suck, in terms of good and bad rides... some might think all rides are good, well, fine.

Big deal...Im just talking shit... big deal, its easy.


Dont worry, your brit boy is probably a great guy making sure MR rides are fantastic. Im just talking shit... big deal.

Now, writing on a message board is easy, can be harmless, unless you take everything I saw too serious.

Left out of this is that one person went overboard and actually put a good deal of effort to turn another rider in--for tagging.

Tagging is highly apart of MR, in that, there are "dope" writers who dont tag to look cool, but tag nonetheless, and yet have the supprt of much of MR. Whether it be in product design, clothing, store-fronts, and your all to sacred knowledge about every member of OFA (before they were tag-bangers), CBS, LTS, and the like.

Only someone with a false sense of MR and what it stands for to many, would have gone to those length to turn in a tagger. It wasnt a big deal, and the police shouldnt have to deal with taggers.

Lighten up... Your ride was kind of stupid, better luck next time.

If you cant deal with reading some shit talking from a stranger... fuck, no wonder some of you are quick to turn someone in...









mrk
06.15.09 - 4:57 pm

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"You guys just need to be more ninja. " - Exactly.



Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 4:58 pm

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why dont we just stop having group rides?

this way, we can all ride and

1. not piss off the public
2. not have drama with other riders
3. not piss off cops
4. when people see more people riding by themselves and not just as one big asshole group, it will encourage them more to ride.
5. people will finally begin to bike rides as bike rides and not just some ugly ass party machine.
6. public officials will see cyclists as a serious group rather than a bunch of irritating kids at community meetings.
7. it will encourage people to actually learn how to ride in traffic rather than having them rely on a huge mass of people.

man i could go on and on.





KiMS1
06.15.09 - 5:01 pm

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mrk,

We got ridazz dieing and getting hurt and the city ain't doing jack shit for us. So we're doing something for ourselves in the form of these signs. Certainly you don't find this equal to tagging a porta pottie do you?

We been dealing with the tagging for awhile now. I favor them knowing that we'll possibly turn them in for tagging. Whatever it takes to stop them from tagging on our rides.



User1
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06.15.09 - 5:02 pm

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I think everyone should have a home....

I think the there is a reason people are homeless, and its usually caused by some people who dont have to worry about being homeless, hence but the criminal has a home. Meaning being homeless should be a crime, in that, society shouldnt tolerate homelessness, just as we dont tolerate murder, but we punish the murderer, not the homeless person.. i thought my sentence or two prior was clear enough...

blah, blah, blah.. i agree, Im almost done... time to clock out soon

Yes, I am an asshole. You must be my ex-girlfriend.



mrk
06.15.09 - 5:04 pm

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The subject is making progress but still harbors a great deal of anxiety about his own legitimacy, lashing out against those whom he views as surrogates for the father figure. It is a classic case of transference. His repression of these paternal anxieties has spilled over into frustrated tirades against Los Angeles bicycle culture (his claims to have distanced himself from said culture notwithstanding). He seems to hope that these outbursts will convince others of his virility and thus reaffirm his legitimacy as a true representative of bicycles, graffiti and "street" culture in general. No progress will be made until the subject is able to redirect these frustrated energies toward resolution of his true conflict.

Analyst's Note: The subject's invocation of the idiot manchild in his tirades is particularly interesting. His frustration that such a manifestly unworthy adversary has met with success may indicate a surrogate sibling rivalry. Worthy of future investigation.



Sigmund Freud
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 5:04 pm

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okay.. i get what you're saying here.. makes sense and i agree



Thegirlinglass
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 5:05 pm

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hahaha.



coldcut
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 5:10 pm

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I would you feel if Eddie did this again? Kinda stupid right? You can live with that? He does it once, he'll have a easier time doing it a second time. I'll be able to live with myself knowing I did give people a heads up on him.





User1
responding to a comment by stillline
06.15.09 - 5:10 pm

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please stfu . com



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by User1
06.15.09 - 5:11 pm

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OH BOY..........

Actually, the L.A.P.D. does treat homelessness as a crime, which is horrible. Just as horrible as snitching out kids to cops. Im nobody important. I happen to mind my own business on rides, and yet I still make quite a few friends every ride.
@ Graham,
Thank You! I used to be a fucked up kid, doing a lot worse than tagging. Did 2 prison terms also. Sending a kid into the California penal system for tagging is overkill.
You will not see rehabilitation and lessons learned. What you will encounter is a hardened criminal who has been educated by his elder criminals.

FUCK IT, IM QUOTING GHANDI.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world. Bitches!



ONEpedalDEATHkick 818
06.15.09 - 5:11 pm

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@MRK

If you want to do something for the homeless show up to the burrito project ride on wednesday and pass out some food and water on skid row. Sounds like it might be something that you would enjoy.

Or just keep talking shit on the internet.



stillline
06.15.09 - 5:12 pm

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Check out burrito project.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 5:13 pm

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No one is arguing that the ride didn't suck, but I was impressed at how many did dress in costume. For that they get props from me, and you too?



User1
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 5:13 pm

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Oh my GOD you're right....

And you are the perfect example of medical practice today:

"I have seen enough, through my first consulation I have heard this gentleman speak in this manner, and he mentioned "graffiti" three times, which leads me to conclude, he needs to be medicated, and (*ahem* Jung are you listening--stop working on your theories, mine are correct I told you, hey, dont walk out)...anyhow, Fuck that pupil of mine, he wasnt that smart anyway.... so no, no more analysis is needed, we only need to listen to a patient, watch their behavior, and we can fill in the rest."

I thought psychology was dead... I'm still trying to figure if "causation" exists... but you have, must have, me beat.





mrk
responding to a comment by Sigmund Freud
06.15.09 - 5:14 pm

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LMAO make up your mind Borfi!!!

Read what you said above?



User1
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 5:15 pm

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Huh? What did I say? ...

Hey, I got the munchies. Whats up?

Thas cool.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by User1
06.15.09 - 5:18 pm

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i must be blinde but when/where is the burrito project? i am interested



Thegirlinglass
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 5:19 pm

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@user1

who is Eddie? Any pics?



ONEpedalDEATHkick 818
responding to a comment by User1
06.15.09 - 5:19 pm

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You should be able to find their info on myspace. It's on Wednesday night and they would love your help. They take it to skidrow.



User1
responding to a comment by Thegirlinglass
06.15.09 - 5:24 pm

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You dont hear me talking trash on burrito project...

ive been a CYA prison volunteer... dont trip, I have my community service brownie points everyone... Im going to heaven too, no doubt. In fact I feel so good about all the pretty things I do....

cant i talk shit and be angry about an over zealous person turning someone in? Fuck... so what if im just chatting away... its a blog, not a thesis....

Like i said, Lighten up...

And the ride sucked.

And look where MR had too stoop... we cant curb tagging, so we have to turn them in now... WOWWWWW.... talk about hypocrites.

Didnt we ask LAPD, and other to be patient with MR?

I CANT WAIT FOR LAPD TO DO THE SAME-- WE CANT STOP THEM FOR RIDING, SO LETS TURN THEM IN.

HAHAHAHA...that one should do the trick (i doubt it though).

Im taking a picture of Raquel and turning it into "Hot or Not" website.

Cast your vote





mrk
06.15.09 - 5:24 pm

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EddieboyinLA



User1
responding to a comment by ONEpedalDEATHkick 818
06.15.09 - 5:24 pm

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http://www.myspace.com/142692977

Check it out. Start your own chapter! Avoid self-glorification.





Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Thegirlinglass
06.15.09 - 5:24 pm

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My vote = Not Hot



TIMESARECHANGING
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 5:26 pm

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awesome.. thank you so much



Thegirlinglass
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 5:27 pm

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You made your fucking point. You hate midnight ridazz. Now leave.

And don't talk shit about Raquel.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 5:27 pm

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I didnt say anything...

I didnt cast a vote

Im guessing Joe thinks "hot"

MR needs a personals sections... Out of all this trash, love is sprouting

youre welcome



mrk
06.15.09 - 5:30 pm

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since when was tagging a part of MIDNIGHT RIDAZZ? i came to a MR ride to hang out with my friends and have a nice ride on the town. if Harry turned and a bunch of speed demons on fixies had to turn around were their feelings hurt? no, and im sure they dont give a shit about your bitching on their behalf.

and the tagging occurred at a spot which MR rides frequent, hence we are GUESTS at a PRIVATE ESTABLISHMENT. we want to be invited back, so we have to ENFORCE RESTRAINT OF PROPERTY DAMAGE. so unless you own the warehouse or spoke to the owners, i'll ask that you shut the fuck up.

i used to do postering, but i never damaged private property, i exclusively hit electrical boxes and public walls because they are public property and are maintained by tax revenue. if someone tags on my neighbors wall, he has to buy the paint and repaint it himself.

im not speaking for MR but as a member of the community when i say keep the fuck away from my fence and my neighbor's fence. if you want to tag, go to venice, the LA river, a freeway overpass or find someone who wants to redecorate their wall.



tortuga_veloce
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06.15.09 - 5:31 pm

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since when was tagging a part of MIDNIGHT RIDAZZ?

ummmm, ever since the midnight ridazz site was hosted off of 50mms server? (maybe thats the wrong terminology, but whatever, they are one in the same)



ruinedbyidiots
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06.15.09 - 5:33 pm

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so ummmm, yeah, they yelled at him over the mic for tagging on the tunnel... or in the tunnel... when on the inner part of the tunnel... linguistics is fun

anyhow, another example above of the MR rational... varied, disputed and all in all usually hypocritical unless it promotes liberalism, anti-bush, tight-jeans, bikes, and sucking up to bike messengers.





mrk
06.15.09 - 5:35 pm

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stepping away from the computer.



Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 5:35 pm

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@MRK

Your temper tantrums are not as interesting as you think.

Chances are the cops can't do anything with a photo. They dont have the guys name and they are way too busy to do the legwork it would take to get your friend busted.

Though I have a sneaky suspiscion that your "Friend" is actually you. In which case i can see why you have your panties all tangled up about it.








stillline
06.15.09 - 5:37 pm

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"Sending a kid into the California penal system for tagging is overkill."

point well taken. i still think we should do what we can to discourage tagging ON the rides.



tortuga_veloce
responding to a comment by ONEpedalDEATHkick 818
06.15.09 - 5:37 pm

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is MRK short for MERKIN? i bet it is!



ruinedbyidiots
06.15.09 - 5:38 pm

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i love it when douchebag retards think they're smart.



coldcut
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 5:39 pm

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savemesome!



tortuga_veloce
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 5:39 pm

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"so ummmm, yeah, they yelled at him over the mic for tagging on the tunnel... or in the tunnel... when on the inner part of the tunnel... linguistics is fun

"anyhow, another example above of the MR rational... varied, disputed and all in all usually hypocritical unless it promotes liberalism, anti-bush, tight-jeans, bikes, and sucking up to bike messengers. "

way to not address anything i said. you sure know how to win an argument. i was referring to the kids who were tagging at the warehouse. i suppose you're against that, but not tagging in the tunnel?

@rbi
the ride isnt about tagging, the ride is about riding.



tortuga_veloce
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 5:44 pm

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i thought the "ride" was about getting drunk in a parking lot? regardless, mr and 50mm are intertwined more than you would like to accept.



ruinedbyidiots
responding to a comment by tortuga_veloce
06.15.09 - 5:45 pm

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Er, like the fourth or fifth Midnight Ridazz was a Graffiti ride. We draped a huge canvas over by Glendale and Beverly and "tagged" on it.
And, most Ridazz loathe bike messengers.



sleepy
responding to a comment by mrk
06.15.09 - 5:45 pm

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+1000

I loled.



HappyLand
responding to a comment by Sigmund Freud
06.15.09 - 5:46 pm

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Im going to start bringing a can of GOO-GONE and a couple of Chore Boy pads.
We see them tagging, Cyclone them and make them scrub it off. RIGHT THEN AND THERE. That is public shaming. yelling at them wont work.

Same thing with the store boosters, Dont let them out of the store if you see them steal, Stand in the way and be vocal.



ONEpedalDEATHkick 818
06.15.09 - 5:46 pm

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thank you for agreeing with me.



tortuga_veloce
responding to a comment by ruinedbyidiots
06.15.09 - 5:47 pm

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i thought it was the other way around and the messengers hate the ridazz
there are a few messengers who are down to earth normal people and then there are some who feel like they invented the bicycle and talk shit to everyone else who rides one.
they hate us, we hate them, no one wins.



ruinedbyidiots
responding to a comment by sleepy
06.15.09 - 5:48 pm

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I'm voting HOT for Borfo!!!

He's my favorite go-go dancer!!!



User1
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.15.09 - 5:48 pm

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i like it. they sell mini bottles of goo gone at office depot that will fit in a saddle bag. i'm with you on this.



tortuga_veloce
responding to a comment by ONEpedalDEATHkick 818
06.15.09 - 5:49 pm

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Most of the messengers are cool. Its the 13skids kids that propogate all the hate. especially Joe. Who sucks at polo.



stillline
06.15.09 - 5:54 pm

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I saw some L.A.P.D. here in Northridge do that same thing to a tagger a few years back, instead of busting him. It was hillarious, cause I knew the guy (kind of a douche) and he was so embarrassed he was crying.
Thats how I got the idea.



ONEpedalDEATHkick 818
06.15.09 - 5:55 pm

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I was just thinking...is this perhaps part of the evolution of MR? I've only been participating for about a year now, so I only know that much, and I've enjoyed myself. But maybe MR will implode and then reform itself in a different shape? Like the life cycle of a star?

Just trying to be zen about it here.

MR isn't that old, right? We have yet to see where this creation will go. It's an interesting experiment. It will work itself out one way or another.

I enjoy the group rides and enjoy bringing new people to them. I'm going through some difficult stuff right now and these rides are one of the few things that make me truly happy.





HappyLand
06.15.09 - 5:57 pm

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MR has changed. Whether its good or bad is a matter of opinion. The old way wasn't perfect but I like it better. It was certainly worth the monthly wait. I didn't like the way it was changing so I quit riding MR temporarily. I still come out occasionally, once a year, since I've met great people through MR.

MR will go through cycles, some will be better than others.



sc_nomad
responding to a comment by HappyLand
06.15.09 - 6:16 pm

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You made me LOL with that one, true as it is. I suspect the same thing about MRK's identity. I didn't know you talked to the kid that night, but I'm glad you did.

@sleepy - I love that the graffiti ride entailed doing it on a giant canvas, beautiful.

To anyone who's still sipping the haterade, you don't have to come to another ride we host, we won't miss you. We have plenty of great friends who show up and make a great time for all.

Just to drive it home, and then get the fuck away from this thread, We don't care what you do, BUT we do care about what you do when you're riding with the group and while doing so your actions DO reflect on all of us. I can't condone that.

Go get a taco, and quit hating.



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by stillline
06.15.09 - 6:40 pm

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THIS WAS GREAT!............LOLED ALL OVER MY PANTS!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't want to get involved but some BULLSHIT here needed to be said and cleared :D

Have any of you talked to homeless people and asked them how they became Homeless??

A big percent of their losses were due to drugs like crack, rock, heroin,etc,etc......
some lost a good paying job, some were just dumb and wanted to run away...THATS LIFE HOMIE!!!!!!!!!!! unfortunately socialism will never work because we live in a capitalist world:(

Tagging is different from throw ups, bubbles, pieces, rollers....I can go on.....
People that don't partake on Graff don't want to be singled out as a graff crew.

As a Graff Writer you should be more ninja about it!!!!
Its like people drinkng and smoking in publice~

Everyone seems to complain about one another but no one is perfect and you can't have a perfect ride :D... we would all have to be sober!!

If you don't like the rides then ride by yourself....I loved MR and meeting great people on the MR rides BUT I'm on probation and I know what goes on these rides so I ask myself Do I really want to risk it? Sometimes I do because I miss everyone but I am aware of my surrounding and I will be the first to leave if it gets bad.....

What happened to Riding and having a good time?





puglife
06.15.09 - 7:13 pm

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hey, hey, hey,... you aint banning no one esseeeyyy!!



sancho1
responding to a comment by KiMS1
06.15.09 - 10:32 pm

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Are we all done feeding the troll?



angrytoaster30
06.16.09 - 2:53 am

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@mrk

You want to see what gentrification in downtown really does?

Come up to the desert and look at the rise in crime here over how much it has dropped down there.
If anything, the honest, hard-working folks stayed where they were and co-exist with the new residents living in, say, Echo Park.

All the losers causing the real problems were either forced up here due to probation conditions, or they were simply those people that wanted more bang for the buck and decided on cheaper housing.

All in all, tagging's become the least of desert worries.



bentstrider
06.16.09 - 3:09 am

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I've learned my lesson with regard to discussing things on a public thread. It's a waste of time. You know who I am, but I don't know you, so why don't you come up to me and introduce yourself next time on a ride. That goes for every and anyone. I may be described as Brit boy to you but brit really has no meaning to me.

I've lived in Los Angeles longer than most riders, not all, but most riders I've been with here. Seen a lot, learned a lot, don't know everything and eager and willing to listen to people.

I would sincerely like to see this amazingly diverse city more adapted to cycling for both fun and as a serious mode of transport, augmented with other public forms of transport. HOWEVER, I have never experienced a city where large groups of cyclist, out on a social bike ride can be so child like with their attitude to the road. Yes LA you're No. 1.

SO... come up and talk to me and give me your point of view personally and don't hide behind these threads....... It's such a teenage thing to do!



Limeyfly
responding to a comment by mrk
06.16.09 - 3:13 am

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hello everybody, We just wanted to say a couple of things which were raised by a lot of riders in this forum. First with allens comment on the "stabbing" If it occurred during a ride posted on this site, then this is a public matter/issue. If not then lets leave it alone. Allen aka user1, We the Midnight social will always stand with you or anybody who wishes to speak out or question all the bad things and events that are happening on our rides.



We feel all these people had very important things to say. They're pretty much saying what other riders are saying. We ourselves are always hearing bad things about the rides and riders. We just feel that the riders mention below are simply trying to help & We think its time for us to listen.


people we support:

user1
trickmilla
imachynna
mrk
AIDS66
TIMESARECHANGING
sc_nomad
roadblock
and pretty much anybody who is tried of all this forum nonsense and just want to ride.

" If we are a community/family and MR is about the ride as a whole" then why aren't we helping eachother out? We don't know if you guys realize this but there are a lot of good bike groups, rides, organizations which do a lot of good things. Why aren't we lending a hand or volunteering? we are pretty sure they can use a hand.

the bike oven is a really great place and they do a lot of good. We know for a fact they work their asses off dealing with legal matters, funds, and lack of help, yet still are able to maintain their welcoming doors to all riders who seek them.

burrito project is another ride/group who also reach out and help. lets extend our hands and return the favor.

food not bombs
C.I.C.L.E.,
LA County Bicycle Coalition


One big cause for all our problems is division, We are pretty much cut into these two big groups "The OG riders/ veterans " & "the new riders" who are out numbering the OG riders/veterans. We dont really see it but its clear and loud. We are growing & other riders want their voices heard. just look at how many rides there are now... so many new ride leaders, so many opinions which come along with it.

We really need to quit hanging in our little social groups during ride and just go out there and talk to one another. We should get to know all of eachother and maybe We might listen... Midnightridazz is still a place for our escape from the boring jobs we have, or family problems, shitty marriage, stress, depression, etc...

We know this to be fact, All the riders here love the rides & pretty much want to make sure they dont lose it.








Remember ,

" A little rebellion now and then...is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government. "


its deal with this without having to seek cop help. using the police can have its setbacks.
The police should be the last line of defense for us. We aren't really going to do anything by calling the police trust us.... dont ruin a riders life or reputation. Doing something like this will come with revenge trust us.





themidnightsocial!
06.16.09 - 3:24 am

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Man all I know is I'd be pretty bummed if my photo was posted on this site for blowing it somehow. A MR 'wall of shame' photo gallery would be effective (if it hasn't been done or suggested already)
Or, how about making that kid tag his 'street' name on a chalk board 1,000 times as punishment?



tiGRReagle
06.16.09 - 4:17 am

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Worked with XL and Taco Tuesdays.



bentstrider
responding to a comment by tiGRReagle
06.16.09 - 4:19 am

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Pix or it didn't happen?!?



skano
06.16.09 - 7:53 am

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As I said earlier.... come over and have a chat!! You know me - I don't know you! BTW I do walk around at stops and talk to strangers, younger kids etc., and explain what, at least, I think it's about.

Having said that, I'd like to talk to the kid who threw a bottle over the top of a parking structure and it almost hit someone across the street.
We had cleaned up after a good ride and hang, were preparing to leave for home, when an army of police showed up and we were detained for an hour and a half and almost arrested. Most of us had no clue what 'we' had done except socializing on the roof of an empty parking lot.

SO if you think some of the quote unquote OG have a beef, maybe it's not a bad idea to listen. I talk about sharing the road sensibly with motorists and it's a good way to improve conditions for cyclists otherwise the authorities just think we're a bunch of drunk, high and occasionally thieves! I feel I contribute and if you have something to contribute but don't think we see eye to eye, then as I said come talk on the rides......



Limeyfly
06.16.09 - 8:47 am

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BTW I'm not necessarily for a kid getting arrested for tagging but as another rider said for some issues maybe a wall of shame wouldn't be a bad idea. Just a thought....



Limeyfly
06.16.09 - 8:49 am

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Yeah I don't want to see the kid get arrested either...But letting the cops know hopefully got the point accross to that kid, and also let the cops know that most ridazz don't condone theft, graff, or other heinus child-like behavior. Either way right on to Raquel for taking swift action.



tiGRReagle
responding to a comment by Limeyfly
06.16.09 - 3:17 pm

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Word.



Anna.annA
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.16.09 - 3:41 pm

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i refuse to support the midnight social because of their flagrant misuse of referring to themselves in the third person.



ruinedbyidiots
06.16.09 - 3:44 pm

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I didnt know I contributed anything important to this matter. Midnight just shut the fuck up. You dont know what the fuck your talking about.



TIMESARECHANGING
responding to a comment by themidnightsocial!
06.16.09 - 4:01 pm

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Woo! I love getting acknowledged. (beams)



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Anna.annA
06.16.09 - 4:04 pm

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RBI- Damit I always love your comments:D hahaha
Do you do stand up? you really should...I would be rolling:D



puglife
responding to a comment by ruinedbyidiots
06.16.09 - 4:08 pm

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Silly Rabbit, Trix are for kids.



TIMESARECHANGING
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.16.09 - 4:10 pm

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of course you do, Borfo



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.16.09 - 4:10 pm

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RBI would fail because he is too shy in person to do stand up. But he is awesomest troll MR ever had. VIVA MUSIC THREAD!



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by puglife
06.16.09 - 4:17 pm

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when i stand up, i am heads and shoulders above everyone else in the crowd.



ruinedbyidiots
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
06.16.09 - 5:12 pm

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@mrk, as quickly as you lumped all "Midnight Ridazz" as a bullshit community, people are lumping all taggers as vandals.

It's easy to do. Even you can do it.

I kept my mouth shut about the whole thing until I came upon YOUR post, what you're saying is BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLSHIT, because you're so out of touch with our community. Your words are irrelevant, no wonder you have nothing good to say. Midnight Ridazz is part of the BIKE COMMUNITY in LA, live with it.

If it fades away, then it does, but until then...

WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE? Fuck you.

As for the taggers, art is subjective, but territorial pissing is TERRITORIAL PISSING, call it what you want, I think tagging is just territorial pissing with paint, stickers or whatever. It doesn't bother me as much as those illegal digital billboards burning my eyes.



the reverend dak
responding to a comment by mrk
06.16.09 - 5:19 pm

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Fuck Midnight Ridazz... thats why i stopped riding soon after the original organizers gave it up to this website.

And that was only...what, three years ago? Dude, you are officially that guy who parks across the street from his ex-GF's house years after the breakup and peeps who she's going out with. All the while muttering to yourself about what a big dumb loser the new guy must be.

And like any bitter ex, you've got your own selective, self-serving version of events. Like that tired bit about how Shepard Fairey and a bunch of white hipsters in skinny jeans "pushed people out" of Echo Park. Because it's not like an unprecedented speculative real estate price bubble jacked rents up to unconscionable heights in all areas of Los Angeles over the last ten years or anything, right, Chomsky? Yeah, it must have been those kids in the big sunglasses puking in the bushes outside Echoplex. Incidentally, people who were spending time in Echo Park before you were sperm can tell you that it has always harbored a visibly minority of white bohemians, thrillseeking satyrs, and bargain-hunting young professionals.

No doubt there has been economic carnage in Echo Park, but to blame it on artists (even really uncreative ones) and "hipsters" is merely to signal that you haven't been paying a whole lot of attention. I think Woody Guthrie put it best when he sang,

As through this world I've wandered I've seen lots of funny men
Some will rob you with a six-gun, and some with a fountain pen
And as through your life you travel, yes, as through your life you roam
You'll never see an overrated poster artist drive a family from their home.


Well, it was something like that. You get the idea.*

*I don't think he gets the idea.




PC
responding to a comment by mrk
06.16.09 - 5:27 pm

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Yeah, I used to use that shampoo back before I went temporarily insane and cut all my hair off a'la Margot Kidder.



bentstrider
responding to a comment by ruinedbyidiots
06.16.09 - 5:28 pm

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Anyone worried about bikes having “a bad name” doesn’t want to know about Bear Calvary.



alec
06.16.09 - 5:44 pm

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@Revdak and PC

Amen. Thats real talk.



stillline
06.16.09 - 5:52 pm

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DO NOT WANT!



Joe Borfo
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06.16.09 - 5:55 pm

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quick question for mrk. you said "Stop swinging by Orange 20 because they are pro-graffitti (im not making any toy distinctions). But if some dope writer hit up that tunnel, your little mini-skits would be singing a different tune because you praise one artist for a crime and come down on another for the same crime. "

Are you telling me that if someone came by O20 and started tagging all over the Cache painting on the side, or tagged up the new sign that Justin painted, Jim and TJ would be excited about it? I mean if they support graffiti, they should love having taggers come hit up their space. i'm not so sure that's the case.

Good job raquel, i fully support you turning in the pic of the tagger. And don't knock someone's ride until you've tried to put on a couple yourself. Coming up with a route is the easy part. The hard part is maintaining order on a ride, something Harry is great at. Oh and the trailer isn't 20lbs. I believe it comes in at over 100 lbs now with battery, amp, speaker etc...

This place is extremely different than the early days of MR but that doesn't mean it's bad. Today and back then can't be compared. Back then the groups were smaller. There was one maybe two rides a month. One of the reasons the original people stepped back was that it became too much to handle. The rides got too big. Without this website, and the community it helped build, I'm sure Midnight Ridazz would have imploded a long time ago. I applaud Roadblock and everyone else who has put on a ride and helped keep MR going.

If you don't like Midnight Ridazz rides or this website, no one is forcing you to be a part of it.



brassknuckle
responding to a comment by mrk
06.17.09 - 7:35 am

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+1000



kryxtanicole
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06.17.09 - 11:18 am

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Photobucket



LionSaciDking
06.17.09 - 11:26 am

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message or not, its still vandalism

I couldn't agree anymore with what both sides are saying... but really...

This is like a dealer calling the cops to report his work getting jacked by a pack of tweakers.....

Things don't work that way. If you have the so called balls, and love this whole "scene" so much, take matters into your own hands.. call them out.


Don't get me wrong, I write. I've been writing for 5 years. Do I write on rides? NO, I do what I do on my own time, as Im sure plenty others on here and on rides do.

All it takes is a little confrontation, don't be scared.. they're just graffiti writers. Let them know they're welcome, as everyone else is and just tell them to cut that shit out. That's all it takes. No need to go around reporting writers (since it was mentioned that the act had nothing to do within a ride.)




theladiesman
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06.17.09 - 11:58 am

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I was not there, but one of the ride organizers told me how she did call out the taggers.

and she was ignored.



spiraldemon
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06.17.09 - 12:03 pm

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man... lot's of needless hating going on here... what i think:

1. we should never get cops involved in our internal problems. once they get their hands into the community, they will try to destroy us from the inside out.

2. as much as i love you harry, yelling at everyone is not the way to deal with our problems. i know your intentions are good, but l think you can accomplish your goals better without name calling, etc

3. people who are angry with the ridazz and say "fuck you midnight ridazz" belong here and have the right to voice their opinion. it's important to embrace our dissenters in order to understand how to improve the community. i don't think saying fuck you is necessarily helpful, but no one person represents the ridazz community and no one can speak on behalf of everyone.

4. i feel that krysta, raquel, harry, and maybe some others are possibly feeling helpless and aggravated about the people who come on rides and ruin it for everyone. including people who ride too fast, taggers, bottle breakers, etc. but i think the way you are dealing with them are making things worse. we need to get together in person and talk about the problems and possible solutions in a public forum--open to all ridazz. i think getting together in person is more effective than here... people behave differently when they are face to face with the people whom they are addressing



snowcone
06.17.09 - 12:05 pm

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Dont get me wrong, do what you must (authority wise).

But as graham said the consequences these days are fucking ridiculous... this whole calling cops just doesn't seem cool with me, but they're not my rides. So eh....



theladiesman
06.17.09 - 12:12 pm

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im not good with words, but yeah i meant to say something along these lines.. ha



theladiesman
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06.17.09 - 12:13 pm

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The tagger was called out, and asked to leave the ride. He chose not to do so, whatever, fine. But why have the audacity to stick around AND tag at another location while still with the group? If he had left no one would have taken his picture. If he hadn't tagged again at the last stop maybe Racquel wouldn't have taken the actions she chose to. There's definitely a gradient scale for handling situations accordingly to their severity, and nothing is black and white, that's for sure.

I respect those who separate one activity (riding) with another (tagging). I hope others learn to do so as well, and not continue to put themselves and other ridazz in jeopardy.



kryxtanicole
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06.17.09 - 12:42 pm

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maybe some of the established graffiti writers who go on rides but dont tag on the rides could go up and have a chat with them. it might come off beter coming from someone from there own culture



buckchin
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06.17.09 - 12:49 pm

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@Shaddy...I believe I suggested what you are saying, i.e. talking about it.

Yes yelling probably accomplishes nothing, more in jest anyway, but on the other hand if someone asks you to stop doing something that can adversely affect the larger group and you don't listen, maybe you should be doing your activity in a group that condones such and avoid others???

Bottom line, some would rather hide behind a wall than be counted. I remember bullies in school who on their own were weak!



Limeyfly
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06.17.09 - 1:01 pm

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Actually things are black and white. Its when we think things are relative that problems occur.



sc_nomad
06.17.09 - 1:19 pm

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love ya Harry but the name calling probably only makes people pissed off rather than think about their actions. their really shouldnt be much blasting people on the mic or name calling. it doesnt foster much in terms of love.



the tagging just needs to stop. we gotta figure out a way to get these people to stop ruining our ride's reputation without sacrificing the ride's general principals.



Roadblock
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06.17.09 - 1:24 pm

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The real issue here is the tagger was an outsider. If someone from the 'clique' brought a stencil of the MR skull, it might have been even considered appropriate. I've seen it happen and no one had said anything.

I'm sure if Joe Outsider came to a ride and took pictures of every misdemeanor on this ride then gave it to the police. He too will be equally despised.



sc_nomad
06.17.09 - 1:35 pm

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amen



AIDS66
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06.17.09 - 1:38 pm

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AGITATOR!!!



Joe Borfo
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06.17.09 - 1:39 pm

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good point. actually you are articulating that it's NOT a black and white issue... there are grey areas.... the wheat paste campaign for instance is an example of "good" graffiti... there are other laws being broken besides tagging... however hitting up a Ridazz skull or tag would absolutely ruin our ride's reputation if the cops started to pick up on it or view the ride as a gang... so, it's best to just lay off the tagging of any kind rather than draw the attention of the cops.



Roadblock
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06.17.09 - 1:39 pm

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It is a black and white issue. Whether it is for a greater good or not isn't even relevant. It just make it easier to justify/rationalize when there is a cause.



sc_nomad
responding to a comment by Roadblock
06.17.09 - 1:51 pm

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Outsider or not, an invitation was graciously extended to MR to allow the MR 2nd Friday ride to end there. To deface their property, their RENTAL property none the less, is pretty classless. Farmlab et al, I'm sorry. They have hosted Midnight Ridazz on many occasions. A great many good times have been had at their facility. Do not disrespect our friends who obviously love us. We appreciate your kindness.

R E S P E C T

Thats all.
There is a proper time and place for all things. Do your tagging on your own time. Plaster your flyers & make your murals on your own time. If you extend your invitation to the boards/friends to join you, they do so at their discression knowing full well the situation. Easy breezy.

Practice random acts of kindness, not stupidity.

thank you
love you
buhbye






revolutionary
responding to a comment by sc_nomad
06.17.09 - 1:51 pm

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damn now im outta popcorn.



profoscurity
06.17.09 - 2:11 pm

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popsiclekid
06.17.09 - 3:02 pm

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i would put a meeting together if i thought anyone would show up. maybe you can help me coordinate something?



snowcone
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06.17.09 - 4:03 pm

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DOO EEET,

if you think it will help just pro act!!! If I'm not flying I'l lcome.

Have an agenda and if no one shows then there you have it.... as we say "Bob's your uncle!!" OR "Robert is your father's brother!!" Talking in person is way more likely to produce results than any ranting etc. here



Limeyfly
responding to a comment by snowcone
06.17.09 - 4:13 pm

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You may need to adjust the saturation knob on your goggles. I'm looking at this issue, and it is clearly blue and yellow.



nathansnider
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06.17.09 - 4:18 pm

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Joe Borfo
06.17.09 - 4:27 pm

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SNITCHES GET STICHES



TIMESARECHANGING
06.17.09 - 4:36 pm

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THUGS CATCH SLUGS.

somebody had to.



bentstrider
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06.17.09 - 4:39 pm

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nobody like rats...



randyadamIII
responding to a comment by bentstrider
06.17.09 - 5:56 pm

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@ kryxtanicole,

I just want to say thanks for looking out at Chiparaki.
Fabian (from chiparaki) saw the tags later in the night and wasn't psyched ... but wasn't too bummed either since it was just the porta-potties.

Chiparaki has been a real supporter of the bike scene and it would have sucked really bad if the tagging had gone 1 step further ... it really could have burned out the spot.

That said, I really apreciate the efforts of you and others to keep shit cool.

I'm sorry you and Raquel got so much shit for being outspoken about trying to do what you thought was the right thing. I was probably the first person to question the tactic of sending the pix to the cops and I still think it should be a last last resort. But I appreciate the fact that you care enough to do something.

Thanks to Kryxta, Stilline, Harry, Raquel, and others who are trying to protect our reps and our spots/ rep.

I know your hearts are 100% in the right place and hopefully we can take whatever we have learned here as a step forward to better dealing with this problem in the future.


Much Love Ridazz!

TRICKMILLZ






trickmilla
responding to a comment by kryxtanicole
06.17.09 - 6:20 pm

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narc



Darko
06.17.09 - 9:48 pm

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Alright next time I see you clutching a wound, I won't tell a soul.



bentstrider
responding to a comment by randyadamIII
06.18.09 - 6:42 am

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a year ago when i first started riding things were fun all the time...

me thinks weve all lost sight of this...

unity

that was it, we all ride bikes and thats what makes us the same.
does anyone remember??
all inclusive
no commecialism
and no rida gets left behind.
every time some one is going fast as fuck on mom ridaz i roll up next to them and politely
explain that we need to stick together as a group, this usually works

i know that when i started doing these things if people were just yelling and being condescending i would have never come back

you get more flies with honey

please people try to remember what love is and unity

and i hate to be the one to say this, but if you guys are having a horrible time leading rides... dont do it

constant bitching about these things just fuels a fire of rebellion



Drooby420
06.18.09 - 2:29 pm

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you get more flies with honey


wise words, droobs



steph
responding to a comment by Drooby420
06.18.09 - 2:33 pm

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ahh ty steph



Drooby420
06.18.09 - 2:38 pm

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u attract more flies with shit.


srsly, whats the fun in huge group rides nowadays?

1. people jack ur shit
2. people wreck ur shit
3. people make u crash
4. ur guilty by association with these dummies
5. u lose ur friends that u came with on big rides
6. u have to listen to pretentious folks talk about their agendas


srsly, whats the appeal?


everyone keeps whining and bitching about the rides. fuckin stop going then. its as simple as that.


if u wanna ride in a group, get ur FRIENDS together and then go ride.

done deal yeah?

a small group of 20 is so much more fun that a fuckin mob 400.

u get to do what YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS want!

if u dont like the people on the ride or the ride itself, DONT FUCKING GO!






KiMS1
responding to a comment by Drooby420
06.18.09 - 2:38 pm

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"Fun is a crucial ingredient."



Joe Borfo
06.18.09 - 2:40 pm

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no one had a horrible time leading the ride. we simply did what we could to keep the group together, like any ride, and had a few a-holes who didn't care about the group tagging whereever we went. that's all. the bitching is coming from elsewhere. get it straight.



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by Drooby420
06.18.09 - 2:42 pm

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u attract more flies with shit.


srsly, whats the fun in huge group rides nowadays?

1. people jack ur shit
2. people wreck ur shit
3. people make u crash
4. ur guilty by association with these dummies
5. u lose ur friends that u came with on big rides
6. u have to listen to pretentious folks talk about their agendas


But most of the time
1. you meet new people
2. people are genorus and will give you a beer if you dont have one.
3. if you do reck people will stop and help you out
4. if your friends get lost you meet them at the next stop and make new friends in the nean time.
5. u have to listen to pretentious folks talk about their agendas BUT you also hear people say great ideas and kind words about other riders







buckchin
responding to a comment by KiMS1
06.18.09 - 2:50 pm

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i was there i heard the whining



Drooby420
06.18.09 - 2:51 pm

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good point. actually you are articulating that it's NOT a black and white issue... there are grey areas.... the wheat paste campaign for instance is an example of "good" graffiti... there are other laws being broken besides tagging...

personally, i think this is a pretty clear-cut issue of consentual association. if i go on cubcamp, people are probably not going to want to smoke weed, so i go there with that expectation. if i go on wolfpack, i know i'm going to be with people running red lights and smoking weed. if i go on a MR ride, i know people are going to be drinking in public, and if i go to CRANK MOB, I just might see somebody naked.

i do not expect people to be tagging. if we're going to have a ride where we put up posters, that's understood and accepted. you don't have to be around naked people, public drinking, red light-running or weed smoking if you dont want to. each ride sets its own standards, rules and social norms.

go to cub camp.



tortuga_veloce
responding to a comment by Roadblock
06.18.09 - 2:51 pm

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good answers.

i forgot about the whole "meeting new people" thing.



on another note.


so people saw this happening and someone even managed to take a photo of the guys taggin on the portashitter.


i dont wanna go back and read 240 replies but

did ANYONE call them out?

did anyone yell anything at them?

"hey, dont do that!"

anything?



KiMS1
responding to a comment by buckchin
06.18.09 - 2:53 pm

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ahoy buckchin. you said it



Drooby420
06.18.09 - 2:53 pm

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*cough*cough*

Surely, somehow, I can connect this to Oedipus.



Sigmund Freud
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06.18.09 - 2:55 pm

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Yeah multiple people spoke to the kids. They were sort of cool about it. I think they just have a problem with being reported to the police because tagging is a felony now.





stillline
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06.18.09 - 2:55 pm

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stilline yelled at the guy



Drooby420
06.18.09 - 2:56 pm

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thanx for letting us crash last night stilline



Drooby420
06.18.09 - 2:57 pm

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if matt and others spoke to the kids and they were semi cool about it, then why the hell is everyone still bitching and whining about it?!


they know now not to do it, or at least they know someone will call them out, isnt that good enough???


oyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

u guys are giving me gas!



KiMS1
responding to a comment by Drooby420
06.18.09 - 3:01 pm

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How did you guys do on wolfpack?



buckchin
responding to a comment by Drooby420
06.18.09 - 3:01 pm

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Drooby you had other problems that night. So shut up.



kryxtanicole
responding to a comment by Drooby420
06.18.09 - 3:02 pm

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judge not unless your ready for judgement

to quote bob marley



Drooby420
06.18.09 - 3:07 pm

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bob marley was quoting the bible



spiraldemon
responding to a comment by Drooby420
06.18.09 - 3:10 pm

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ive said before and ill say again calling pigs ror anything is against my morals

one love yo..

jah provides



Drooby420
06.18.09 - 3:10 pm

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fuck that jesus was quoting bob marley





stillline
responding to a comment by Drooby420
06.18.09 - 3:11 pm

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i dont care where he got it.... in fact the more that message gets passed down the better.



Drooby420
06.18.09 - 3:11 pm

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ive seen almost all of you fucked up beyond recognition at some point or another



Drooby420
06.18.09 - 3:13 pm

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jesus and bob are probably smokin a doob right now!!!

O.G. blaze crew



Drooby420
06.18.09 - 3:14 pm

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I wasn't there, but what I can gather, there was people that were tagging and breaking shit during the ride.

They were admonished at some point to stop.

Later in the evening the same kids tagged a porta-pottie at the final stop.
And some people yelled at them but they did it anyway ... at some point some asked them to stop and they stopped.

Something like that.

If you follow the thread it is the clear view of the organizers and of several witnesses that the people in question were tagging shit and breaking shit throughout the night. They were called out and basically kept doing it.

It seems to be their perception that if unchecked this behavior would keep occurring.

The question of "why not just call them out" was asked early on ... as he thread developed and mutated many people suggested that that strategy had failed and thus another approach was necessary.

That is my over-generalized version of it.

Its my humble opinion that contacting the police about the affairs of Ridazz should be done only as a last resort. I think a lot of people agree with that to some degree. What constitutes a last resort, however differs greatly from ridaa to ridaa.




trickmilla
responding to a comment by KiMS1
06.18.09 - 3:28 pm

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oh okay gotcha,


so what happened with the photos that were submitted?





KiMS1
responding to a comment by trickmilla
06.18.09 - 3:48 pm

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"judge not unless your ready for judgement" -->take your own advice.



kryxtanicole
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06.18.09 - 4:07 pm

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