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Freedom Ride
Thread started by madmike at 02.19.09 - 9:26 pm

Hey im just woundering how many of you guys are gonna attend this?

I can't really make an guess on the number of people that are gonna come out.

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will they have freedom fries?



funanu
02.19.09 - 9:47 pm

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que esta



aksendz
02.19.09 - 11:15 pm

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theres A TON of drama behind this ride. talking about creating a "safe space" for african american riders and whatnot. the guy that is hosting it is james spooner aka RAZZLE from kidney room records in the 90s. he used to do the same stuff back then, but it was for women in hardcore and stuff like that.



ruinedbyidiots
02.20.09 - 10:26 am

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i'm not a big fan of nationalism, but i definitely support my brothers and sisters in struggle.


at least it's not a segregated ride.





coldcut
02.20.09 - 10:38 am

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imma go...and why not?



TitzMcGee
02.20.09 - 10:41 am

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jspooners post on lafxd about this was something like "have you ever been on a ride and seen another african american rider, and wanted to say hello, but couldnt? nows your chance!" and thats kind of stupid. why would you not feel comfortable talking to someone on one ride, but be 100% ok with it on another ride? maybe its just the way he worded it that rubs everyone the wrong way.



ruinedbyidiots
02.20.09 - 10:45 am

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i just don't like the idea of getting together because of skin color.

lower classes have exploited and oppressed for millennia, regardless of skin color.






coldcut
02.20.09 - 10:50 am

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have been*



coldcut
02.20.09 - 10:50 am

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why is this freaking out soo many folks?...i thought it was rather silly...unless teh guy posting this isn't even black then it's kinda weird...

TITz



TitzMcGee
02.20.09 - 11:09 am

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its freaking people out because no one really seems to make race an issue on these rides. it doesnt matter what color you are, what religion you are, how fat, how skinny, how short, or how tall you are. we all enjoy riding bikes in this city and that is why we come together.
and no, razzle is black. he also did the AFROPUNK documentary a few years ago.




ruinedbyidiots
02.20.09 - 11:13 am

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100%



Graham
02.20.09 - 11:17 am

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Ever been on one of the many organized bike rides in LA, seen another black person and thought "Would it be weird If I say hi?".

I thought bentsrider was black and I said hi but i was fooled.

and you want me to tell my black rider friends to tell them about this, but there's no extended invitation to the rest of us.

this is the new face of elitism.

i understand, the event organizer just wants to be someone, organize his own ride, and this is the best he could come up with.

i mean prplspyder@aol.com did it right?



_iJunes
02.20.09 - 11:20 am

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The only real question is...

will rain cancel this ride?



_iJunes
02.20.09 - 11:23 am

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well is it exclusive ONLY to blacks or can other's come?...I mean I s'pose people can have rides jst for one group of people...thought there are rides that are JUST for women...eh to each his own...ill be there...

TITz



TitzMcGee
02.20.09 - 11:24 am

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its a black only ride from what i understand



jbachez
02.20.09 - 11:30 am

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That's so dumb having a blacks only ride. Just think of all the shit the person that posted a whites only ride would deal with. What's the difference between having one or the other? They're both segregating.



User1
02.20.09 - 11:44 am

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i think that was the consensus on La Fixed



jbachez
02.20.09 - 12:01 pm

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If I was black I'd be into trying out a blacks-only ride. Its a social experiment, not a protest of Whities. I'd be into trying a half-white half-mexicans only ride, marcus's-only ride, or a freak bikes only, or a or a narcissist-only ride, or a

Who cares? There's plenty of ride concepts to go around. This isnt a fascist situation, and you arent being forced to go on this ride. I'm sure if you really want to go to their ride and you're crazy enough to go, they wont tell you to fuck off.

On the other hand, I will tell you to fuck off for non-freak bikes on a Los Angelopes Level Two. Yes, I'm a Bike-cist.



SKIDMARCUS
02.20.09 - 12:15 pm

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That's a cop out. Where's your support for a whites only ride?



User1
02.20.09 - 12:19 pm

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i agree with making a ride exclusive only to black people or to a certain religion, etc is lame and retarded. But what is the difference between GOGA or the beers and queers ride? The point is to get people who feel out of place or otherwise do not "feel" like they should be on a bike to get on a bike. I get the same looks from hipster, gangsters, and even black people when i ride like wtf? I would assume that it is because i am on a bike flying through traffic but...sometimes it is because i am african. On most of these rides, or at the DIY shops seeing african americans is scarce. Im glad the man is trying to open our minds to other things.


Point blank and simple...the cat should have worded it differently. And to all those who think it is a bad idea to show up to the ride,or that it is prejudice, attend this ride and let them/us know that it is okay to be hippies on bikes too!!! Bikes belong between EVERYONES legs....



pretti*ugli
02.20.09 - 12:25 pm

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what marcus said.





Roadblock
02.20.09 - 12:29 pm

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and what pretti ugli said



Roadblock
02.20.09 - 12:30 pm

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NEXT MONTH - ASIANS ONLY RIDE

LOLZ AZN CRITICAL MASS





you can count on my absence





_iJunes
02.20.09 - 12:34 pm

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"The point is to get people who feel out of place or otherwise do not "feel" like they should be on a bike to get on a bike."


I'm sure there's white supremacists that feel the same way too. You're ok with them putting a ride together to make them feel comfortable?

There's alot better ways to get more people of color on bikes. Alot better than to announce a ride that's exclusively for a race of people. Also that's far different than having a ride for cruisers, girls, fixies, etc, etc.



User1
02.20.09 - 12:40 pm

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@ User1 - Where's your whites only ride?

I'd prefer half-white-half-mexicans only ride, but I guess if I can go to Whites Only, I can go to Mexicans Only too. That's the beauty of being a mutt!



SKIDMARCUS
02.20.09 - 12:41 pm

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"that's far different than having a ride for cruisers, girls, fixies, etc, etc."
*is offended*




danya
02.20.09 - 12:47 pm

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Attention Black Bike Riders.
(and to the non black riders, please tell your black friends, solidarity helps us all)

Ever been on one of the many organized bike rides in LA, seen another black person and thought "Would it be weird If I say hi?".

It isn't weird, and you should say hi. This is your chance.

I'm pleased to announce the FREEDOM RIDES. This one is for the brothers and sisters.

I want to invite all black riders of every skill set, regardless of bike (road, track, cruiser, mountain) to come and meet your fellow Black, bike enthusiasts. Take a ride around Los Angeles with us, Sunday Feb 22nd. We will be meeting at Bikestyler Customs on Melrose and Larchmont at noon. We start pedaling at 1pm. (NO CP TIME haha!)

Route TBA.

CONTACT JAMES (AT) AFROPUNK (DOT) COM with questions, comments, sugeestions etc.

FREEDOM RIDES
Black SOLIDARITY Bicycle Ride
Sunday FEB 22.
Gather at Noon, Ride at 1pm
Meet at BIKESTYLER CUSTOMS - 5621 Melrose ave @ Larchmont, Los Angeles, CA 90038







where in this mans post is nationalism???

"solidarity helps us all..."

where is he being exclusive?...you guys really should not be scared of this ride...i for one will be there, with a hangover



pretti*ugli
02.20.09 - 12:48 pm

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Mr User.1

Define white supremacy....





pretti*ugli
02.20.09 - 12:50 pm

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that bikestyler place it starts at is a joke.



ruinedbyidiots
02.20.09 - 12:51 pm

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Dude, who's fucking scared of this ride?????

hahahahahaha

It's just fucking stupid to have a ride based on skin color. If he wanted to assimilate with the group ride, why have a ride that excludes most of the group he's trying to assimilate in?

And you asked where his nationalizing? ( I think )

One example is in "I want to invite all black riders"

And Marcus, I wasn't trying to promote a white only ride. I was just wondering where your support was for whites only ride, since you support blacks only ride.



User1
02.20.09 - 12:57 pm

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I love BikeStyler. as I understand it one of the partners is My man TOONS who is a stand up cat. known dude for years and years and years. I back that cat 110%.

I dont think I've met jspooner but maybe a better way to have thrown this ride is to have made it clear that its open invite and perhaps even a "invite your friends of color ride" but I too was wondering whether I could go or not... the verbage isnt totally clear...



Roadblock
02.20.09 - 12:57 pm

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alan u went far beyond the point of my statement...bike riding is not to promote a sense of elitism, and thats what white supremacy is...(and the westside...joking)

also if u quote something i type u really should quote the whole and not the half...its like watching fox news.



pretti*ugli
02.20.09 - 12:58 pm

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jesus fucking christ, you can't find a definition for white supremacy?




User1
02.20.09 - 12:59 pm

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and that "whites only" rebuttal concept doesnt hold water. for racism to exist there must be power. in other words it is not racism to rise against an ethinic group that holds power over you. it is resistance and empowerment.



Roadblock
02.20.09 - 1:01 pm

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the only thing i dont like about the bikestyler shop is that it is basically glorifying bicycles as fashion accessories, and im not down with that.



ruinedbyidiots
02.20.09 - 1:02 pm

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aside from that... I think I'm going to go anyway and bring a black friend and ride in solidarity if they boot me from the ride so be it.



Roadblock
02.20.09 - 1:02 pm

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reverse racism. im not a racist, so why should i be thought of as one because my ancestors were?



ruinedbyidiots
02.20.09 - 1:03 pm

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So you don't have a problem if there's white supremacists, yet they don't make their stance known, but announce a whites only ride? They pretty much subsitute black for white in the ad above. You're fine with that?



User1
02.20.09 - 1:03 pm

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"the only thing i dont like about the bikestyler shop is that it is basically glorifying bicycles as fashion accessories, and im not down with that."

you ruined yourself.



Roadblock
02.20.09 - 1:03 pm

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unfortunately this is turning into an argument far from the concept of the ride itself....



Roadblock
02.20.09 - 1:05 pm

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unfortunately, this "race" in question has nothing to do with tangs to san pedro.
its a touchy subject for everyone.



ruinedbyidiots
02.20.09 - 1:06 pm

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No RB, you can be black and be racist, Mexican and be racist, Jew and be racist, Asian and be racist, white and be racist, the examples go on and on.



User1
02.20.09 - 1:07 pm

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Gezzz I wonder why it's turning into an argument on race?

hmmmmmmmmmmm........



User1
02.20.09 - 1:08 pm

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im with roadblock...im bringing a non black friend too...

i'm done alan, you are a cool cat but it sounds like your mind is made up. to continue this would be a waste of my time...i would really like to get back to work now. HA!!!



pretti*ugli
02.20.09 - 1:10 pm

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"No RB, you can be black and be racist, Mexican and be racist, Jew and be racist, Asian and be racist, white and be racist, the examples go on and on."


depends on how you define the word racism.... there is not a universally accepted definition.

if one ethnic group oppresses another I agree that's racism. if the oppressed ethnic group resists the former.... is that racism?





Roadblock
02.20.09 - 1:11 pm

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No RB, you can be black and be racist, Mexican and be racist, Jew and be racist, Asian and be racist, white and be racist, the examples go on and on.

User1
02.20.09 - 4:07 pm

+1,000,000



coldcut
02.20.09 - 1:12 pm

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Race Race!

Team up with your people. Yellow Team, Black Team, White Team, Brown Team East, Brown Team West, Beige Team (I got it)

Tangs to Pedro

Winner claims Racial, Genetic, and God-Given Superiority!



SKIDMARCUS
02.20.09 - 1:12 pm

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"i'm done alan, you are a cool cat but it sounds like your mind is made up. to continue this would be a waste of my time...i would really like to get back to work now. HA!!!"

wisest words on here...

PEACE!!



Roadblock
02.20.09 - 1:12 pm

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Yeah you're right, we got work to do.

LOL

Have fun on your racist ride.



User1
02.20.09 - 1:16 pm

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"if one ethnic group oppresses another I agree that's racism. if the oppressed ethnic group resists the former.... is that racism?"

it's racism if they use the same tactics that the former used. elitism, generalizations, stereotypes, etc.

what's so confusing about all this is the fact that racism tends to come naturally when you've been oppressed by another race. many people don't realize they're racist, an assume it's just hate for "the man" that's been keeping them down.



coldcut
02.20.09 - 1:16 pm

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tns





KiMS1
02.20.09 - 1:20 pm

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"Winner claims Racial, Genetic, and God-Given Superiority!"

LOL.



danya
02.20.09 - 1:20 pm

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RB,

The definition I like the best that defines racism is the first one below. The different definitions are taken from wiki.

"According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups. The Merriam-Webster's Dictionary defines racism as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular racial group, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief. The Macquarie Dictionary defines racism as: "the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others."

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User1
02.20.09 - 1:24 pm

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blah...dirty dirty dirty



pretti*ugli
02.20.09 - 1:29 pm

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free thinking is dangerous.



ruinedbyidiots
02.20.09 - 1:30 pm

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""According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups. The Merriam-Webster's Dictionary defines racism as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular racial group, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief. The Macquarie Dictionary defines racism as: "the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others." "


thats certainly a few definitions there... but who wrote that shit? fucking white people.

fuck... why am I back here falling into the alan vortex again? good bye forever!!



Roadblock
02.20.09 - 1:34 pm

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kims1

lets somehow outsmart them and win the race by technicality!



_iJunes
02.20.09 - 1:35 pm

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are people still talking bout this?

junu, what did you have for lunch today?

did you eat a sandwich?

im sitting in my office and totally picking my nose.

mafuckas have no ideaaaaa!!!


suckers.

ay, does anybody ever smell like ammonia after long rides?





KiMS1
02.20.09 - 1:38 pm

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it's better to discuss than stick our heads in the sand.


my cat's litterbox smells like ammonia when i don't clean it for a couple days.



coldcut
02.20.09 - 1:40 pm

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@Roadblock

"and that "whites only" rebuttal concept doesnt hold water. for racism to exist there must be power. in other words it is not racism to rise against an ethinic group that holds power over you. it is resistance and empowerment."

by my definition, separatism is the seed of racism. it is also the seed of empowerment, and that's the fine line. i know latinos who feel that their children should only speak spanish in the house, to protect and promote their culture, and to inspire confidence in them. some of them also want them to learn english, and others teach their children to resist learning english and to hate America and Americans for what our leaders have done to their homelands.

I don't think there is anything inherantly wrong with the freedom ride. i'm simply curious as to what motivated the ride organizer to feel this was something that he needed to do, and perhaps if he would feel differently if he had been on more inter-racial rides. i don't know who he is, but if he's listening, I'd love to know!



tortuga_veloce
02.20.09 - 1:41 pm

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I actually have all kinds of mixed feelings about this and I do actually agree with alan a slight bit (hard as it is to admit). because ultimately I think that it's bad strategy even for the oppressed to band together under the flag of race because the end result is that if they win with that line of thinking then they become the racist oppressors... but the point I'm trying to make is that we should all just go to this ride and LOVE ourselves into the mix and just show that solidarity has nothing to do with exclusion and everything to do with unity. Unity is Strength!



Roadblock
02.20.09 - 1:46 pm

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@coldcut

yeah, its nice to discuss but after everyones said their opinion and people start posting up definitions from a dictionary, i dunno.


i heard the ammonia comes from ur body finishing off glucose reserves in ur liver and moving onto stored fats. ammonia is given off during that chemical reaction.

something like that



KiMS1
02.20.09 - 1:46 pm

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whoa kim as i was reading your comment i picked my nose too

i ate soon doo boo.



and the rest of you guys, really, my attention span is so short that i can't follow these damn arguments you guys throw at each other.

now i just look for the idiot remarks slipped in between.

like sub-conversations.


allofyoustopyournonsense.



_iJunes
02.20.09 - 1:50 pm

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i think the intent was bicycle awareness amongst the black community.

mixed in with some pride

and voila, we have MR troll party!



_iJunes
02.20.09 - 1:52 pm

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"LOVE ourselves into the mix"

Thats what I'm talkin' about.






Graham
02.20.09 - 1:52 pm

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ay

u ever smell like ammonia after long rides?



KiMS1
02.20.09 - 1:52 pm

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Unity is love, love is strength!



Graham
02.20.09 - 1:53 pm

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"i think the intent was bicycle awareness amongst the black community.

mixed in with some pride

and voila, we have MR troll party!"

hahah

END OF THREAD





Roadblock
02.20.09 - 1:54 pm

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ruinedbyidiots
02.20.09 - 2:03 pm

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ROADBLOCK



CAN CLOSE
ST00P1D
THREADS





_iJunes
02.20.09 - 2:03 pm

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Yeah...so...I don't care one way or the other about this ride, but I guess I would like to know what exactly about this ride has got you all whinnying and neighing so hard. As distinct from GOGA, Sirens, Beers Gears & Queers, etc. You all didn't say shit about those, but now all of a sudden it's like somebody fucked your mom.

P.S. I almost wrote "its like a black guy fucked your mom," but then I was all like, Would that be crossing a line? Is that too much? Would I have gotten away with that?

POLL - Would PC have gotten away with that?

X Yes
X No



PC
02.20.09 - 2:10 pm

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@PC

yes, but only with the people who know you personally.



tortuga_veloce
02.20.09 - 2:26 pm

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same shit i was saying

i would have laffed

x yes



pretti*ugli
02.20.09 - 2:35 pm

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Fuck that shit!!! Let's rock out!!!





User1
02.20.09 - 2:45 pm

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fuck reading this thread.

ghost ride, same time, same place, same route.
where white sheets...to be ghosts.

...kidding :D





aksendz
02.20.09 - 2:50 pm

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_iJunes
02.20.09 - 2:53 pm

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i sure hope nobody seized after that....



_iJunes
02.20.09 - 2:54 pm

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i think all should come...bc if they turn u away it would only prove ur racism point then you could say HEY I WIN I WIN...

@PC

**no



TitzMcGee
02.20.09 - 3:04 pm

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way to distact from my racist post jewni



aksendz
02.20.09 - 4:40 pm

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Those flashing lights is telling me to kill whitey.

must ...... kill ..... whitey .........



User1
02.20.09 - 4:43 pm

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pretti*ugli
02.20.09 - 5:07 pm

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i love the idea of unity... but in a more broad and inclusive kinda way. i understand we all come from different backgrounds and it feels great to be around those that are like us... but we've gotta get outta the comfort zone and make every group our group. as positive as this ride is... i can't help but think it could also manage to segregate people.






Jazzy Phat Nastee
02.20.09 - 5:51 pm

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you spell freedom k-i-d-s-i-n-a-m-e-r-i-c-a.



_iJunes
02.20.09 - 5:56 pm

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wow,i didnt think that song could suck any worse.

i-tunes,youve proven me wrong



robert stanfield
02.20.09 - 5:59 pm

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freedom mother fuckers.

whatitdo



_iJunes
02.20.09 - 6:01 pm

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NEXT PERSON THAT POSTS ON HERE HAS TO GO TO THE RIDE!



SKIDMARCUS
02.20.09 - 6:02 pm

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lets drink all nite on crank mob.drink more sunday morning.then show up to this ride.if they dont want us then just do the first
midnight stalkers ride.............



robert stanfield
02.20.09 - 6:13 pm

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Congratulations bo bo! Have fun on the ride. You're going to need that trailer too. Pack your sleeping bag cause you're on a two day trip.

hahahahaha...



User1
02.20.09 - 6:16 pm

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I never support any ride that excludes another based on something we can't choose. This ride is one of them. Sirens is another. GOGA, Beers and Queers, all of them are not something I enjoy in anyway.

I can't support anything that causes different groups to further their distance from others. I like seeing everyone as a single group. I don't care what religion, sex, race, etc you are, we are all cyclists, and that's how I act around you.

That doesn't mean I am against these rides. I understand that me being born the way I am, I can't experience what many groups experience every day. However, I have an issue with noticing race at all. I don't see people as colors, I see them as assholes, nice, or some other assortment of personality types.

I've been a part of lots of groups my life, and when I was more political I could never figure out why people didn't trust me, or acted in a way that belittled me until I realized I was the only white person there. I'm all for creating a comfort zone for everyone, but I don't see segregation as a key to this.



**The only type of people I can't get along with easily is furries, but only because I find them creepy. Sorry furries, if you have a furry only ride, expect me to cause a shitstorm.**





Jaz
02.20.09 - 6:22 pm

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@Jaz
+ a bajillion on furries ride shitstorm



moondance
02.20.09 - 7:45 pm

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well put, Jaz. +1

I understand the desire to create a ride where black ridazz are comfortable with approaching each other, but i really don't feel like this is a problem on MR. i can't recall a time when i felt put out by a stranger, and i'm even accepted for my sometimes grating personality. hell, we even let User1 hang out with us. (just kidding, buddy.)

my point is, we're not some sort of exclusive club: that's the point. and i know that a lot of us really believe in that to their core. i'd really like to hear what the ride organizer thinks of all this, but regardless, its been fascinating to hear how everyone reacts to the concept.

with regard to goga, air raid sirens, and beers queers and gears: i think there might be some validity to the fact that girls do have valid things in common: a little slower, tired of getting hit on, etc, and the gays might want to bond in ways that make straight people uncomfortable.

i cant say why the organizer believes this is a good idea, or if it's right or wrong. that's just my two cents.



tortuga_veloce
02.20.09 - 8:00 pm

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TEH FUCKING KIDS OF AMERICA RIDE FOR TEH FREED0M3





_iJunes
02.20.09 - 8:05 pm

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" i think there might be some validity to the fact that girls do have valid things in common: a little slower"

that's pretty sexist...



coldcut
02.20.09 - 8:07 pm

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Luckily with me, it's all about wanting to see others on bicycles, period.

I've already dealt with plenty of scenarios wear I've been the "fish-out-of-water" to the point where I could stumble into any race-associated summit of any type, and not realize it until someone firmly points it out to me.

I'm not ignorant, I could just be oblivious to the obvious sometimes.



bentstrider
02.20.09 - 8:41 pm

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Haha race race

My peoples vs. Your peoples and their peoples!

We'll put out "racial slips"on the line aka dignity haha



madmike
02.20.09 - 8:42 pm

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I think some folks here might profitably pause to reflect upon the difference between loudly proclaiming oneself to be inclusive and actually being inclusive. If you guys are as open-minded as you like to think you are, then by all means, unclench your sphincters a little bit and let this guy and his friends and his fellow Af-Am ridazz (those who are interested) have their bonding ride. I'm pretty sure they won't fuck your mom.



PC
02.20.09 - 10:17 pm

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And when I say "Af-Am," I of course mean "Ancient Free & Accepted Masons." When will the disgraceful anti-Masonic prejudice in the bike scene end? WHEN?



PC
02.20.09 - 10:19 pm

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the MR look in the mirror.... not surprising at all. Yoda said there was still hope.



rogue.ronin.rider.
02.20.09 - 10:27 pm

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So did anybody actually go to this ride??

To me it looks like everybody flaked out and what not....



madmike
02.22.09 - 7:43 pm

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Guess what friends its happening again. and again .. and again. Turns out every black rider we talk to is excited about this ride. For quite a few its there first organized ride.

So here's the deal. Just to clear it up. We dont hate anyone. Were all active members of the cycling community, you probably get helped by us at the bike co-op and ride next to us on other rides. Thing is our experiences in everyday life make it so its nice to just decompress with people who have similar backgrounds. Think of it like, when you go to a punk show and everyone has headbands and american apparel clothes on. Feels nice after a day of feeling weird at school or work doesn't it? Anyway if you don't understand that's okay. If your not into it. Thats okay too.

This ride is for black people who once a month want to get together ride bikes. Were not building pipe bombs or planning a race war. Were black kids on bikes. Get used to it.

Now for all the people who are just super upset or confused or just want to be heard on the subject, why not do some good and email me. Were making a documentary about the ride and just the kind of reactions you are having. You bring up valid and interesting points (some of you). We would love to have you raise them on tape. Unless of course you need the anonymity of the web to express yourself honestly as of yet no one has said anything negative to our faces. Curious.

FREEDOM RIDES
Black SOLIDARITY Bicycle Ride
Sunday MARCH 22.
Gather at Noon, Ride at 1pm
Meet at BIKESTYLER CUSTOMS - 5621 Melrose ave @ Larchmont, Los Angeles, CA 90038


PS. The same ride is starting in chicago in a month or so. Turns out black kids like the idea there too. Gotta wonder why its catching on so quickly.



jspooner
03.16.09 - 4:49 pm

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This ride is for black people who once a month want to get together ride bikes. Were not building pipe bombs or planning a race war. Were black kids on bikes. Get used to it.



the civil rights movement takes a step back, whatever happened to aboloshing segregation, didn't realize this was Mississippi Ridazz i think they still tolerate some of that shit down there no?



_iJunes
03.16.09 - 5:36 pm

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hey junu, i was born in mississippi. i ride here. whats your point?



ruinedbyidiots
03.16.09 - 5:38 pm

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do you guys have a white only bike lane? or do they come in yellow too?



_iJunes
03.16.09 - 5:40 pm

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and as much as i didnt want that to turn into an asian-white joke it did. i was trying to point out the different colors they use on the road to pain but...


never mind i teh fail.



_iJunes
03.16.09 - 5:40 pm

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FUCK MS

down with multiple sclerosis.



_iJunes
03.16.09 - 5:41 pm

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Yeahhh!!

Why are all the bike lines out there painted white and white only huh?





madmike
03.16.09 - 5:42 pm

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because if they were black you couldn't see em.


no i didnt mean it like that.



_iJunes
03.16.09 - 5:44 pm

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That's true....
We'll what about some blue,yellow,green lines?

And no Im not talking about the metro trains....



madmike
03.16.09 - 5:46 pm

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it was all over two posts before this one.



_iJunes
03.16.09 - 5:47 pm

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The idea of this ride has annoyed me since day one.I'm not sure if "jspooner" is the same person responsible for the afropunk doc or just someone just running off the same idea,but there were things in the documentary that I really admired and I really hated."This ride is for black people who once a month want to get together ride bikes. Were not building pipe bombs or planning a race war. Were black kids on bikes. Get used to it."Fuck that!!!Start your cry for equality else where.MR has never cared about your color,your bike,or your budget,it is for everyone,and this sad attempt at some kind of unneeded civil action is just a step back of blacks and for ridazz.I myself am biracial and I have grown up in cali and far less understanding regions.I truthfully don't see color I see assholes and friends.It's not hard to be considered a friend but as I grow older I find it is even easier for me to think you're an asshole.I will admit that we as a society have alot of growing to do but I thing you should beat your protest drums at some other rally or focus on making these streets safer for your "brother and sisters of the wheel" and stop wasting time making it about color and ride you bike.


P.S. If jspooner has more to say about this I would love to sit down and have a cup of coffee and talk about it.I'll buy you a cup.You can have you're coffee black I'll have mine with cream.

blackout_blacklung at yahoo dot com



blackout_blacklung
04.6.09 - 3:31 pm

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coffee black.
HAHA, Get it?



rayrayray
04.6.09 - 3:33 pm

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yes, jspooner was the same guy behind the afropunk documentary. also kidney room records. (will you autograph my frail 7"?)



ruinedbyidiots
04.6.09 - 3:56 pm

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I'm half black RBI.Give it to me and I'll atleast get his first name for you.



blackout_blacklung
04.6.09 - 4:05 pm

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I KNEW IT!!



rayrayray
04.7.09 - 1:56 pm

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No such thing as black punks.



rayrayray
04.7.09 - 2:02 pm

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"White privilege, like any social phenomenon, is complex. In a white supremacist culture, all white people have privilege, whether or not they are overtly racist themselves. There are general patterns, but such privilege plays out differently depending on context and other aspects of one's identity (in my case, being male gives me other kinds of privilege)."

From: WHITE PRIVILEGE SHAPES THE U.S.

And Tim Wise is worth checking out. Though most of you white kids won't take the time to learn about this.





bike punk
04.7.09 - 4:02 pm

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END OF THREAD



jbachez
04.7.09 - 4:39 pm

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by making your ride exclusive to one race you're perpetuating racism. you don't fight against racism and oppression with racism.

how does a video about racial privilege answer questions about your ride?





coldcut
04.8.09 - 1:15 am

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haha, i was under the impression that bikepunk was the ride organizer.






coldcut
04.8.09 - 1:22 am

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"by making your ride exclusive to one race you're perpetuating racism."

You couldn't possibly believe this AND think it is an opinion worth expressing, even on the internet. It's laughable and the ignorance embedded in it makes me feel bad for you.





bike punk
04.8.09 - 10:18 am

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please, there's nothing wrong with being egalitarian.

how is it ignorant?

how could you actually support a ride that seperates us through color?
racism is a tool and even if you think you're using it in positive ways, you're not.



coldcut
04.8.09 - 11:49 am

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it's ignorant to give into racism rather than fight against it. it's sad when you think it's going to make a difference.



coldcut
04.8.09 - 11:51 am

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bike punk,

No one is denying that hasn't been racism in the past. What people above are saying is that you don't fight racism with racism. Everything on MR has been free, for the most part, of any racism. What this ride does, is introduce the board to it, and sets the tone for other racist rides. If there's a blacks only ride advertised, what's the problem with having a whites only ride advertised?

See the problem with supporting this ride?



User1
04.8.09 - 1:55 pm

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@anyone who has a problem with this ride- i'm just curious...
... if the ride were to include "allies of black ridazz," would you be as adamant against the concept of the ride?




sciencefriction
04.8.09 - 2:44 pm

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I'm black.
And I don't even support this ride.



rayrayray
04.8.09 - 2:46 pm

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I just don't see a point in making it about color on any level.If you want more black kids on bikes,well then tell your black friends to come to a ride.There is no reason for this ride,bring everyone from the freedom ride to CM or to the people's ride.Be proud of who your are and where your family has come from and what they have fought for,but don't build needless walls that destroy all the progress that was done before your time.



blackout_blacklung
04.8.09 - 3:06 pm

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Amen brother brian.



rayrayray
04.8.09 - 3:12 pm

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This is non-inclusive so why is on midnight riddazz?



Debut213
04.8.09 - 3:26 pm

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do you feel there is ever a time and space for marginilized and/or minority communities (eg. LGBT communities, women, etc.) to come together and feel empowered together by doing something positive in- common like riding a bike?



sciencefriction
04.8.09 - 3:41 pm

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Rather..
The ride should have been inclusive for everyone but celebrating black riders.



rayrayray
04.8.09 - 3:43 pm

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"Rather..
The ride should have been inclusive for everyone but celebrating black riders."

if this is people's general sentiment, i hope we can all agree with that. after all, Malcom X did die in the arms of a militant asian woman by the name of Yuri Kochiyama.

all i was trying to get at is that, things like this can be positive in done correctly. The "Black is Beautiful" movement was not born by black people simply assimilating with the majority.

the exclusiveness of the ride is a separate issue...

end. thread.








sciencefriction
04.8.09 - 3:52 pm

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Having a ride revolving around someone's lifestyle or even someone's sex is different than one revolving around someone's race. A certain lifestyle does not exclude someone based on race, and neither does an all female ride. Plus there's a legitimate reason why girls would want to do a all female ride. Admittedly excluding a sex from the ride comes pretty close to the same thing as excluding a race from the ride. So one would look at the benefit of it verses opposing it. I don't see anyone opposing it.



sciencefriction -
"the exclusiveness of the ride is a separate issue..."

Me -
No, it's the issue. This is what people have been saying all along. Do not make this an exclusive ride based on your race being the deciding factor if you get in or not. If you do, then take it else where.



User1
04.8.09 - 8:23 pm

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@user1, that's why my first question was if people would have minded if the invitation was also directed at allies...

i'm trying to separate the issue of
#1 ride concept that supports black riders (i support)
from the issue of
#2 excluding non-black riders (i don't support).

"Having a ride revolving around someone's lifestyle or even someone's sex is different than one revolving around someone's race. A certain lifestyle does not exclude someone based on race, and neither does an all female ride."

I don't see the difference...in these cases you would NOT be targeting
#1 heterosexuals or
#2 males

in an effort to bring together these minority/marginilized communities in a space where they can relate to each other in a setting tailored to making them feel comfortable with their unique identity.

Anyways, if you still disagree, I have nothing that will change your mind nor the energy to type about it on a forum.

Off to ride....










sciencefriction
04.8.09 - 9:37 pm

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by the way, i had tacos with you and stillline last wednesday. if you ever want to talk about it in more detail in person, just let me know.



sciencefriction
04.8.09 - 9:42 pm

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blackout_blacklung
04.8.09 - 6:06 pm


word.





coldcut
04.8.09 - 10:30 pm

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sciencefriction,

Hit me up next time. I'm sure we agree on all issues here, it would be best talking in person.



User1
04.9.09 - 12:20 am

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I just can't imagine why anybody in this scene would feel tired of being told what to do by white males.



PC
04.9.09 - 4:23 am

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I want to go on the people who 'wear white only' ride. I would fit in splendidly.



The Great Leslie
04.9.09 - 5:53 am

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