attn: programmers
Thread started by
vor at 02.4.09 - 10:56 am
There's a SoCal
Python meetup Thurs. Feb 12 on the West Side.
http://socal-piggies.org/scp. I haven't been to one before and will be riding over from DTLA to check it out.
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we prefer to be called, developers, thank you very much.
_iJunes02.4.09 - 11:21 am
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Vor did you ever get my email I sent a while back?
Roadblock02.4.09 - 11:24 am
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Roadblock, did you ever get my email I sent awhile back? ;)
BICYKILLER02.4.09 - 11:26 am
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lee did you get the e-mail i will send you in 5 minutes?
_iJunes02.4.09 - 11:28 am
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Junu, did you ever get the email I sent you last night?
kryxtanicole02.4.09 - 11:54 am
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@Roadblock
I didn't get your email, that's not good. Maybe try again, and I'll keep an eye out. You can also try braydon@dublab.com, or fuller@artcenter.edu
vor02.5.09 - 9:21 pm
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I always see developers and programmers as synonymous... what kind of developing do you do?
vor02.5.09 - 9:24 pm
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not a developer. analyst. i dont have the attention span to code. but i do java and c. and its various industry applications/variances
_iJunes02.5.09 - 9:29 pm
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Cool. I would like to work with C, but haven't run into the need for it yet. Would like to move in this direction in the next couple of years though.
I am not familiar with what analyst implies, there are many possibilities. Please elaborate.
vor02.5.09 - 9:37 pm
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Ray did you ever get my email I sent a while back?
rayrayray02.5.09 - 9:55 pm
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C is more common in industrial development for end users. its more of a trade than a skill.
_iJunes02.5.09 - 10:06 pm
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Yeah I'd like to give it a try, I feel it's going to be one of those things that will only happen if I take a class though. Although I would really like to be able to write C extensions for some of the Python I write for speedups. Writing a driver would be a fun project too, really completely different that what I normally do. It's about getting to that point of needing something new and refreshing.
vor02.5.09 - 10:37 pm
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also my phone: 213 622 0554
vor02.5.09 - 11:07 pm
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Does anyone have a promo code to the SCALE 7x event?
User102.6.09 - 1:08 am
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@Junu
"C is more common in industrial development for end users. its more of a trade than a skill. "
What the heck does that mean? The vast majority of desktop software, operating systems, and embedded systems are written in C or C++. It is very difficult to write highly efficient code in a higher level language without understanding what is being executed by the system under the hood - which is why the java emphasis in CS programs has been so disastrous for the industry. Python, perl, ruby, php are all implemented in C. Java was, but is probably implemented in Java these days, just to prove it can be done. Linux, windows, and os x are all implemented in C, too. I can't imagine how the language that is foundational to modern computer systems could be considered a trade rather than a skill. Arguably, you cannot be a skilled software engineer without a very deep C/C++ skillset as one of your tools. If anything, hacking together webapps in a high level language like ruby or php is the trade, while systems development in C is a true skill.
ideasculptor02.6.09 - 1:32 am
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@IJunes
"C is more common in industrial development for end users. its more of a trade than a skill."
Sir, I believe you may be talking out of your ass. Try again :-)
ephemerae02.6.09 - 8:29 am
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ack bleh, i mean that C is used more commonly used as a commercial language, and all the other shit is more or less a personal preference.
_iJunes02.6.09 - 9:43 am
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@Dublab.com? I love dublab!
Email is on the way...
Roadblock02.6.09 - 9:48 am
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@User1
flw09
It's mentioned in an episode of
FLOSS WEEKLY:
http://twit.cachefly.net/FLOSS-046.mp3
I usually have done the student discount, or use a local usergroup code. I haven't gone to any meetings lately, and it's been a few too many years now since I was a student, so probably shouldn't do that anymore.
vor02.6.09 - 6:30 pm
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By the way, SCALE is introducing two new lecture tracks this year. One for really deep stuff like kernel development, and another for beginners. So this year there should be an even more diverse group of people.
vor02.6.09 - 6:43 pm
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@Roadblock got your email :)
vor02.6.09 - 6:45 pm
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"ack bleh, i mean that C is used more commonly used as a commercial language, and all the other shit is more or less a personal preference. "
sorry dude, but this continues to be wrong.
C is a systems language where reliability and system access is critical.
C++ is used most notably in desktop applications and complex applications where performance is critical.
Java is pretty much what most commercial transaction processing software is written in these days, i.e. anything running on a server, where scalability is critical.
Scripting languages such as Python, Ruby, etc are a good choice when ease of development is critical
What's critical to your application is critical in your choice of language.
ephemerae02.6.09 - 7:05 pm
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Perl is also really great for working with large strings, hence why things like AWSTATS uses it.
vor02.6.09 - 7:14 pm
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I've seen C++ used for lots of desktop applications, like Scribe and Firefox, and even in the a kernel, like
Haiku!
Most everything written in Java is currently proprietary, at least there a lot of non-free CMSs out there, but Java is now free, so that might change things. The
Cortado player is a Java applet and used on the
GNU website.
I've seen Desktop applications, and web applications written in Python.
is written in Python, and one of my favorite media players. It's also getting really popular for web development, as there are really a lot of different frameworks for it now; Django, Werkzueg, CherryPy, Pylons, web.py, TurboGears. There is also now a WordPress like blog written in Python now called, Zine.
vor02.6.09 - 7:31 pm
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Just because a language development system is not open source doesn't mean you can't write open source applications with it. People were writing open source java applications for years before the language itself was open sourced. Claiming the contrary is like saying communists can't eat at KFC, these things are completely orthogonal.
ephemerae02.7.09 - 12:40 am
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