Being that it's a leaderless ride, It could/should go to Downtown L.A. or wherever it takes us.
barleye06.23.08 - 10:14 am
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For west-siders riding over, I assume Crank Mob park is the usual CRANK mob meeting place at La Grange and Sawtelle?
And how many miles do you think the ride will be? I've got a couple kid sisters visiting and want to bring them along. But they're weak weak weak on a bikes.
0gravity06.23.08 - 10:19 am
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Isn't Crank Mob Park in Culver City?
I don't know the actual name of it though.
urbanpedal06.23.08 - 10:40 am
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Crank Mob Park is in Culver City at Venice Blvd. and Canfield Ave.
theroyalacademy06.23.08 - 10:45 am
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IN N OUT BURGER is across the street from the park. just West of Robertson
barleye06.23.08 - 11:27 am
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0gravity,
This is going to be a late night ride, but we'll get peeps to a light rail station to make it back to their starting point. The best way for you guys to get back to Crank Mob park is to take the Red Line to Hollywood & Highland. From that point it will be mostly downhill.
The ride Friday will be going to downtown to watch an all American movie, then rolling afterwards to areas not visited recently by LACM. Expect chaos.
User106.23.08 - 1:33 pm
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any info on what time the movie starts? price to get in?
funanu06.23.08 - 1:35 pm
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Allan,
I know you are in charge of the route this time, but is it wise to get people to sit down and watch a movie when all they want to do is ride?
skd06.23.08 - 1:40 pm
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Um, there is no finalized route. It is yet to be determined, no one is really in charge of it. Also this is a ride, not a trip to the cinema.
If after the ride is complete, people want to independently go downtown to see a movie or get a couple of drinks at the Golden Gopher, that is their perogative.
The ride always ends where it starts. Also ROTW Javier had some ideas about a possible route through Hollywood into Beverly Hills....again the route is yet to be determined. Nothing is set yet.
LACMrules06.23.08 - 1:58 pm
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Stewart,
This is not just any movie. This is a movie that will inspire all to be a true and loyal patriot. You aren't against patriotism are you? Being that it's close to the 4th of July, it would only seem natural to show our patriotism early. So we're going to go see Made in America. It will be outdoors and it's free!!! Did I mention that we could bring and enjoy our favorite American beer too?
All the info is
here!
User106.23.08 - 2:01 pm
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LACMrules,
Does your first name begin with an "S"?
User106.23.08 - 2:03 pm
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LACMrules,
Are you an American national? Would you be able to prove it this Friday?
User106.23.08 - 2:04 pm
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Allan,
I just think that put to a vote, the group won't want to sit in a theater when they can be riding. It just doesn't seem very LACM to sit in a theater and watch a movie.
skd06.23.08 - 2:16 pm
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Wow. An LACM ride where I learn how to be a "true and loyal patriot?" I can't wait.
nathansnider06.23.08 - 2:16 pm
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Seriously though, anyone who wants to see the movie can go (and even lead the ride there) but it's mindbogglingly unlikely that the majority of the group will want to jump off their bikes for a documentary.
nathansnider06.23.08 - 2:21 pm
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Can the storm troopers and thugs hired for voting vote? Oh there will be a ride to the outdoor movie and you will enjoy the show. We know where you live and work.
User106.23.08 - 2:40 pm
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LACMrules,
I planned on having
mikeywally mixing this night. He's been working hard at getting the just right patriotic mix that will inspire us to the greatest nationals we could ever hope to become.
BTW, expect the ride to be still going at 2am!
BTW2 Who are you anyways?? You just signed on two days ago and you're already planning rides? Now that's ambitious!!! We could use you in our party!
User106.23.08 - 6:57 pm
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we always ride down to beverly hills. lets change it up.
funanu06.23.08 - 7:14 pm
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User1, obviously I am not very good at setting up a ride, since the first one I did was screwed up. I am still learning. I have help though. A few people who call themselves the "core elite"...or would it be the "corps elite"?
LACMrules06.23.08 - 8:26 pm
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I think I will be able to make my first LACM this week. I just hope my bike won't explode getting there.
Lizzard06.23.08 - 11:08 pm
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Eddie was on the first LACM I ever rode. He has been on every one ever since. This will be the first one he has missed, due to injuries he sustained at CRANK MOB. So can we dedicate this ride to him?
skd06.23.08 - 11:58 pm
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@user1, you want me to put a mix together?
mikeywally06.24.08 - 7:31 pm
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A movie? I hope that is a joke. Like, really...you better be effing joking.
lbRida06.24.08 - 8:08 pm
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with a running time of 105 minutes? wha?? and, i thought last month's chinatown stop was too long. damn.
kurtz06.24.08 - 8:49 pm
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I don't want to watch a movie for 105 minutes. LACM is about riding. Let's keep it that way, ok?
skd06.24.08 - 9:19 pm
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mikeywally -
@user1, you want me to put a mix together?
Me -
Yeah mikey, get back to me that way I know it's being done.
allanalessio at yahoo dot con
To the naysaying communist on our ride. We'll have a vote on this at the start of the ride. I'm pretty sure the music trailer is going to this movie.
User106.24.08 - 9:59 pm
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Why do these LACM threads always have these users that have signed up a day or two ago Stewart?
I'm betting LACMrules has some mechanical problem or scheduling problem on the day of the ride btw.
User106.24.08 - 10:02 pm
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OMG!!!! I love going to movies on bikes!!!!
That's most brilliant idea I have ever heard!!
Whoever thought this up is a genius!
I bet he's hansome two!!
Put me down as a vote for freedom and democracy!!!
Thanks!!
Two Sexy Four This Tread06.24.08 - 10:08 pm
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Allan um I mean two sexy, user1, user 2.0, etc,
You can take whomever wants to go and sit for two hours to watch a movie to downtown.
I will take anyone who wants to ride, including the visiting Canadian riders (it would be bad form to force them to watch a US propaganda film), on a real LACM ride . Riding all over the city in a show of force, which is what LACM is all about. We might even meet up with the Venice CM. Then we'll meet up with the People's Ride at Sunset and Vermont around 10pm.
Anyone who wants to join us, just follow me and the Canadians.
How's that for democracy?
Also I am not Stewart, like Rod Stewart...I am Stuart. Like Stu and Art. It isn't a Biblical name either.
skd06.24.08 - 11:48 pm
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I don't know the identity (or non-identity) of LACMrules, but they did use my photo for their flyer, so I'm guessing they can't be all bad...
nathansnider06.25.08 - 12:19 am
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Stuart, LACMrules, and that dude you were logged into that had to miss the ride cause of a mechanical last month,
The Canadians would love to see how we celebrate our love for our country! As soon as we mention movie and beer, they'll be there! Plus we won't miss a thing since we'll be riding till the wee hours of the morning. Plenty of time to ride!
I also want to let peeps know that we'll be getting you to a red line station to get you back to the start, if that's where you need to go. Really it's pretty easy and last trains are like 1am.
User106.25.08 - 12:22 am
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CM, HEH, HEH.
Next time someone asks you what you're doing Friday night, leave out the Critical, and just tell them you're going to Mass.
There's always wine, preaching, bread, and all sorts of holy-rollin' going on!!!
bentstrider06.25.08 - 12:32 am
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What's happening?
LA Critical Mass has been great for the past few months. Why all of a sudden is there this hijack to a movie crap?
We don't show up every month to go to a movie, we show up to ride.
The 300 people who are showing up from the Facebook event are not going to follow anyone to the movies. We are coming to LA Critical Mass to ride. Whoever leads the pack on a ride will be our leader.
urbanpedal06.25.08 - 7:24 am
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Allan's got em all fired up! So proud.
Joe Borfo06.25.08 - 7:34 am
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I hate to make political comparisons, but the word "communist" is being bandied around. Which is hate-word used by those who harbor intolerance and prejudice.
Since I started riding LA Criticial Mass again in February, this ride has been like an Obama rally. Full of hope and excitment. You could always count on good time riding around the city to cheers and applause from drivers and pedestrians.
This upcoming ride sounds like a McCain/Bush/Cheney organized event. Rigid, not happy, ultra patriotic (which is a veil for intolerance) and just a mean and hateful situation.
I prefer the way LA Critical Mass was before.
urbanpedal06.25.08 - 9:14 am
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We don't have to be so hateful.
User1 has a route in mind...lets do the route, when we get to the Movie Place we split into two groups
(Freedom of Choice is a beautiful thing!!)
1-those who want to watch a 105 minute movie
2-Those that want to keep riding.
Group 2 goes off to meet up at Rite Aid or find the Venice CM group. Maybe we will all get some real miles on our bikes this month.
Group hug!?!?!?!?!?!?
LizardQueen06.25.08 - 10:39 am
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If you want to ruin a ride, do it elsewhere. CM has a history, and I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with movies. ..but hey, knock yourself out, SITTING AND DRINKING FOR TWO HOURS BEFORE YOU GET BACK ON YOUR BIKE IS A SPLENDID IDEA! This should be one of the biggest CM's and it's going to be split by some idiot idea to watch a movie? Hows about you pop in some cinderella or whatever you're into, BEFORE THE RIDE, then go RIDE, at the BIKE RIDE.
lbRida06.25.08 - 12:03 pm
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I loved the last LACM. I'm staying west this time around, and I keep the dream alive that one day we'll be able to have a VCM vs LACM match of some sort (soccer, basketball, whatevs).
jericho1ne06.25.08 - 12:07 pm
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i think lacm should start earlier that 7:30 pm because there is more traffic.
the more traffic, the more impactful lacm is.
the more traffic, the more we slow down the capitalist machine.
to me, lacm is about asserting the rights of cyclists, and role modeling a better lifestyle (more environmental, more focused on community, more focused on individuals not having there hands held through life). it isn't about drinking, it isn't a party.
maybe next month, through group consensus, we can have lacm start earlier?
lacm riding earlier next month, +1
mikeywally06.25.08 - 2:00 pm
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LACM is supposed to be leaderless!!!
what the fuck is going on?
skd?!!!!
User1??!!
what happened to people just showing up to the location and riding? especially since skd is so vocal about routes and planning, it makes a new rider feel like there IS a leader and it puts such a sour taste in my mouth.
skd: may i ask you to back off next month and see what happens?
user1: you used to be anti-route and planning. it seems that because skd appears to be 'taking over' LACM, you also feel like you should have a say in route direction (which i understand).
leaving earlier than 7:30-8 would be ideal. the ride seems to leaves a bit later ever month.
meandmybluebike06.25.08 - 2:16 pm
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I agreed to back off this month.
But Allan wants to go to the movies for two hours.
I don't care where the route goes, as long as we ride. Not sit on our ass.
skd06.25.08 - 2:19 pm
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duh, two even
how did this ride become so filled with drama?
spiraldemon06.25.08 - 2:24 pm
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analbeadman:
one person (skd) 'takes over' and other person (user1) doesn't like it.
it's understandable, but it's becoming a bit selfish.
meandmybluebike06.25.08 - 2:26 pm
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Allen, its a shame I will not be able to ride this weekend (family vacation to tombstone), I'm all for you ride. I am always on rides and dont mind combining my two favorite things.
DeKadenzy06.25.08 - 2:27 pm
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they should both try to lead the ride at the same time, and take any cyclists willing to follow. then, we'll have two rides! yaya! and later they can converge! woah.
spiraldemon06.25.08 - 2:29 pm
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When I first rode Critical Mass there were 20 people, less by the end of the ride. I didn't take over Critical Mass, I was one of the many who tried to resuscitate it.
It shouldn't be about one person, it should be about the group as a whole. What are their needs and wants.
This conflict is occuring between a small group, some of whom do not care what the larger group wants. I urge a voice vote on Friday, and I am sure the majority will choose to ride.
This why the Westside is better at rides and organizing. Less ego, better organization. I am an Eastsider by the way.
skd06.25.08 - 2:32 pm
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well, social movements and political movements alike do have a nasty tendency towards in-fighting, bickering and self-destruction...
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
"critical" mass is right! geeez, what, you guys all go to liberal arts college or some schnidt?
cuz i did.
classic!
ingipet06.25.08 - 2:33 pm
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>>>>i think lacm should start earlier that 7:30 pm ....
mikeywally. <<<<
I thought there was no "i" in critical mass?
skd06.25.08 - 2:34 pm
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"I get to take control of this leaderless ride!"
"No, dude, *I* get to take control of this leaderless ride!"
"Wrong. Dominion over this anarchic piece of street theater is mine and mine alone!"
"Nuh uh, man...stewardship of this decentralized, non-hieirarchical event clearly belongs to me! Me!"
"No, me!"
"No, *me*!"
"Me!"
PC06.25.08 - 2:36 pm
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hee hee...
well, when we are being CRITICAL of crytycal mass, there is an "i"
and i think skd is doing a good job trying to publicize and promote some of the original founding principles of CM...
kudos!
and i'm bringing the RULEZZ tomorrow too!!!
just remember, you ALL wrote them!
MASS COLLABORATION = FUTURE!!!
ingipet06.25.08 - 2:36 pm
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man, i say nobody post up LACM next month on MR. i think we all know that its the last friday of the month. just show up and see what happens. fuck a route and a "leader". lets ride the streets of LA and see where it takes us.
funanu06.25.08 - 2:36 pm
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I'm really bothered by this un-American talk. The ride is about freedom, justice and the American way! The only route that's scripted is the first 4 miles to the movie. You want to go up and down a steep route? Go ahead! I just was considering the music trailer, fixie ridazz, and anyone else that prefers to go around a steep drop.
After the movie is over, the route is completely open to go wherever. Plus we'll be rolling with peeps that don't normally make the CM ride. Peeps from Highland Park. Plus plus we'll be going to areas we normally don't go. Now what red blooded American isn't into exploring new areas?
User106.25.08 - 2:39 pm
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funanu: good idea about not posting next month.
skd: instead of saying "i thought there was no 'i'...." yada yada, what is your opinion about leaving earlier? solutions!!!
meandmybluebike06.25.08 - 2:45 pm
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Stuart you came the night there was the bike summer going and there was an invent with free beer at the bike oven. Everyone went straight to the oven instead of doing the CM. The also always gone up and down in numbers, depending of the time of year. It's not like you raised it from the dead like you make it out to be.
User106.25.08 - 2:45 pm
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I'm all for not having anyone post anything or a route. It's Stuart that's got a different idea about what CM should be that bugs me.
User106.25.08 - 2:47 pm
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User1 and skd!!!
DANCE OFF!
meandmybluebike will be the judge.
i am giving her ALL of the power of critical mass.
she, like all of you, have earned it!
ingipet06.25.08 - 2:48 pm
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that's right! everyone who comes to critical mass has power.
you do not surrender your individual autonomy just by riding with CM.
i promise.
you may go anywhere you like, follow anyone you like.
ingipet06.25.08 - 2:50 pm
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rider turn out fluctuates depending on the seasons. usually february/march is when the riders start coming out of their caves.
meandmybluebike06.25.08 - 2:52 pm
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As far as starting earlier...is that what the group wants?
Anyone ask them? Maybe somebody should.
Five or six of us post up here on the forum, many times making all the decisions for 200 or 300 riders. Is that fair or democratic?
Does anyone even talk to the riders at Critical Mass? Or do you just hang around in your own little cliques at the rest stops?
I would feel more comfortable if there were a larger cross-section of riders represented in the decision-making process. Right now that isn't happening.
RIght now I regret even getting involved in this ride. Not because it hasn't been a great ride these past few months, but because the bickering and venom is oppressive.
skd06.25.08 - 3:02 pm
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Great, I'm glad you see it Stuart. Now let the ride just be itself and stop making all these names up and posting up the ride, yeah?
User106.25.08 - 3:11 pm
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>>>>I'm all for not having anyone post anything or a route. It's Stuart that's got a different idea about what CM should be that bugs me.
User1
06.25.08 - 5:47 pm<<<<<<
That is a contradiction Allan because you want the route of Critical Mass to go to the movies on Friday. So what is it? No route or route. Be consistent.
skd06.25.08 - 3:11 pm
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O!
herro there
eye iz teh founder uf venise crtical mazz
just want to say eye controls dat ryde, and sumday eye conrtols dis bicyz ryde
u can try, but none of u is teh kittehs, so is tuff
Knittens06.25.08 - 3:17 pm
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next month nobody post up LACM on MR. Lets see how it turns out by making it a word of mouth. We have been doing the same shit for the past couple months. Go to weho, circle of death on hollywood and highland, rest stop at pan pacific park, blah blah blah. lets change it up.
@skd
i do appreciate everything you have done for LACM. and im sure lots of other people do to. next months let the people take over LACM. Lets just ride and see what happens.
funanu06.25.08 - 3:22 pm
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User1 is called on is inconsistency again.
USER1, did you or did you not ride on any of the Freeway rides?
sexy06.25.08 - 3:25 pm
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Allan,
Critical Mass is about the people who ride it, not you or me. I never worked in your interest or mine, but in the interest of the majority of the Critical Mass riders, who complained about the oligarchy.
I was tired of hearing the small group of "leaders" say, "we'll take 'em to East LA or downtown." No one ever asked the riders where they wanted to go, you just led them where you wanted to go...sometimes leaving them stranded in unfamiliar territory.
I endeavored to give a voice back to Critical Mass riders. If it stepped on your toes....good.
skd06.25.08 - 3:26 pm
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if you dont know ur way around LA, get urself a map. i mean if ur going to be living in LA, than learn the streets and areas around you.
funanu06.25.08 - 3:31 pm
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Ever feel like an anarchist in a coffeehouse, watching a Leninist and a Trotskyite debate how best to vanguard the masses, and suppressing the urge to stab both of them in the eyes with a letter opener?
Me neither. Wanna go bike riding?
PC06.25.08 - 3:31 pm
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skd: it appears that the adversariness is upsetting you because you have created such a strong role for yourself in LACM. i don't mean to upset you because you have been putting a lot of energy into organizing the ride for the past several months, and i appreciate it. but that is why LACM is controversial now. people want to reclaim what they feel 'the leader' has taken away from them: a leaderless ride. and user1 is just the most vocal about it. if there really wasn't a 'leader', no one would feel the need to defend themselves or point fingers as to why people hang out in 'cliques', when they could be talking to other like you.
LACM=LAISSEZ FAIRE!!!!
meandmybluebike06.25.08 - 3:37 pm
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im sure people want to ask this question but dont so i'll ask, what about the music trailer? hahaha! i wanna dance! annie, new order please!
funanu06.25.08 - 3:41 pm
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cliques are unavoidable. I get along with some people better than others. I recognize faces on big rides all the time, but I will not go looking in some dark corner of a ride to introduce myself to a stranger, unless she's hott and making eyes at me. I wanna hang with people I know. Is that so wrong?
spiraldemon06.25.08 - 3:43 pm
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u is all badry off topick
eye iz in charge
u buy me treets
brieng to my house
pet mee
u will hav a gud tyme
Knittens06.25.08 - 3:45 pm
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Stuart,
You've been involved in the last 3-4 LACM, posting and PLANNING routes. I finally decided I had enough of you running the show and the only for me to do was to claim a month to do my own ride. Remember discussing everyone having a turn at putting the ride together? It's in the archives if you forgot the details. I claimed this month ride and you STILL got your fucking hands into it!
Leave the fuckin ride alone and let the group take it where it wants to. That's been my goal all along. I wanted to plan this ride to the movie because it was mine to plan. Yes people will have a vote at the start, and yes they'll have the say so when the movie is over. This will be by far the most I'll be trying to control the ride. But it's not the last fighting you and your stubbornness to leave this ride alone!
User106.25.08 - 3:46 pm
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kewl, Knittens is hosting the next Den Dinner
spiraldemon06.25.08 - 3:47 pm
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it is wrong, troll! now get back to the eddieboyinla thread!
funanu: mikeywally mentioned creating a playlist, but i have not seen an update. mikey???
i love making playlists, so i'm always willing to contribute.
go away, analbeadman!!
meandmybluebike06.25.08 - 3:51 pm
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Annie,
What upsets me is the disregard some people have for the riders. I don’t want to lead, I prefer to follow….it’s a lot easier.
But when people endanger the riders, particularly the new riders, I get angry.
The West side tries to insure that their rides remain safe and that riders aren’t left hanging out to dry in unfamiliar territory.
Some who ride on with LA Critical Mass have an element of “fuck em” if the rider is lost somewhere south of USC or five miles down Caesar Chavez they fend for themselves. That doesn’t create a cohesive bicycle community, nor does it make for a pleasant riding experience. Until people stop trying to hurt the riders, I will speak up.
skd06.25.08 - 3:52 pm
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das true.
i remember last november's LACM was the best. because of the rain, only 11 people showed up to ride. no route or leader, just us riding the streets and having a good time.
funanu06.25.08 - 3:55 pm
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User1,
I don’t fuckin listen to you. I listen to the 250 Critical Mass riders. Maybe you should listen to them too.
skd06.25.08 - 3:58 pm
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skd: i'm no expert, but i have been riding critical mass a bit longer than you and i do not think that people do not care about leaving riders behind. and i don't remember safety ever being an huge issue on LACM. you seem to be bringing up peripheral issues more prominent in other rides to demonstrate how helpful you are. i know you are helpful, but do it without looking for social praises.
i think if this ride were really leaderless, you wouldn't feel so hurt.
LAISSEZ FAIRE!
LAISSEZ FAIRE!
LAISSEZ FAIRE!
meandmybluebike06.25.08 - 3:59 pm
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@skd
getting lost in LA on ur bike is fun. you learn your way around los angeles. i think at one point all of us have gotten lost in LA. I got lost saturday at crank mob but was able to find my way home. its best to learn things on your own.
i know your just concern about the new riders and thats great, but this is LACM, not an organized ride like MR rides. I feel like LACM should be in adventure.
funanu06.25.08 - 4:00 pm
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meandyourbluezbike
u has sum of teh soft furs
and sum of teh mean teefs
u is becumming moar lyke a kitteh
Knittens06.25.08 - 4:01 pm
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and user1, i understand why you want to lead the beginning portion of this ride to the movie. having someone create a route for the past several months has felt stiffling and it's only natural that someone would also want to contribute.
personally, i prefer riding over seeing the movie, but it would be nice to head east for a change, and if some people want to see the movie, the option's there.
LAISSEZ FAIRE!!!
meandmybluebike06.25.08 - 4:03 pm
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@User1
im with annie on that one. i rather ride than watch a movie. you should just have a group of people that want to watch the movie break off from LACM when its time. that way people can ride for a bit than head over to the movie. i dunno just an idea. i'll shut up now.
funanu06.25.08 - 4:06 pm
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Annie, you're right, you're right...you are the voice of reason in the tempest of the season.
Anyway, I am done arguing with Allan. So I leave this thread in your capable hands.
skd06.25.08 - 4:09 pm
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skd: not right or wrong. just another perspective. there is conflict because two people want to lead a supposed 'leaderless ride'.
meandmybluebike06.25.08 - 4:15 pm
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YES!!..I will be making eyes all over the place.
FREYEDAY LACM
Please insert boner pic from KTFG thread as a way of neutralizing this hostile DICKtatorship. No matter what the plan is, on ANY ride, it never goes accoding to the plan. Whoever's at the front leads, no way around it.
Eric Hair06.25.08 - 4:17 pm
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whatever work.
I didn't go to the last LACM, but I heard it was really successful.
Don't they have critical mass in Long Beach that same night, I don't understand why someone would travel so far, to participate in a ride, when a ride just like the one you are traveling to is so close to ones home.
That why the people of the San Fernando Valley started the SFV-CM. To have a cm of their own.
by the way USER1, since you are on this thread.
DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT RIDE ON ANY OF THE FREEWAY RIDES?
(just a question)
sexy06.25.08 - 4:18 pm
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@funanu
I remember that ride. We showed up at wilshire western... i was pissing rain and were like "This ain't gonna happen no-one is here." Then right when we were walking over to the denny's on wilshire we saw a few more bikes show up and it turned out to be a really fun ride with just a few of us. RAIN brings the real ridazz and leaves the fucktards at home on the playstation.
DISCLAIMER: Riding in the rain is dangerous (maybe stupid) so some of the people that stayed home were just smart. maybe even vegan.
stillline06.25.08 - 4:20 pm
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butt secksy
u needs 2 stay on teh topics
why u leev teh freeways quesjun 4 teh end
shud be onliest feng
Knittens06.25.08 - 4:21 pm
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Personally, I plan on derailing every directional decision.
This is routeless.
This is ruthless.
This is a feast of cartographical pornography.
LACM rules my world.
Imma follow Spiral Demon, he never knows where he's going, and that's the best way to get somewhere you've never been.
Eric Hair06.25.08 - 4:25 pm
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Eric Hair wants me to neutralize a thread. He is the leader.
meandmybluebike06.25.08 - 4:25 pm
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Stuart,
That's another fallacy you keep bringing up! You DON"T represent 250 ridazz. Where the fuck are you coming from? Take your handful of newbies and hold their hands if you want to, but don't say the riders on the CM don't care about them. That is unless you can come up with concrete examples. I remember my first ride and I didn't feel I needed some escort. Nor have I thought that the newbies needed any escort either. Again, come up with some concrete examples of people that you use in your examples. Cause I ain't seeing it.
User106.25.08 - 4:28 pm
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WOAH
Annie, your the first to put your pornography on this website. You broke the internet.
What happen USER1, did you or did you not ride on any of the Freeway rides?
sexy06.25.08 - 4:32 pm
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I wondered what happen to Pretty Ricky, now we know!
User106.25.08 - 4:48 pm
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okay i got a question, lets see if anybody can answer it.
why do we meet up at wilsher and western? its like the worst fuckin area ever! soo many pot holes on both those streets. who started it there anyways?
funanu06.25.08 - 4:51 pm
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Woaha, this thread has totally gone off the deep end!
Where's all these ridazz you represent std? Seems like most if not all the ridazz here want a hands off on the LACM. That means no posting of the ride, that means no preplanned route. That means no making of sign in names pretending to be someone else. Are you ready to agree to that?
Two Sexy Four This Tread06.25.08 - 4:53 pm
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i love that location! we're so visible and there's a ton of traffic.
meandmybluebike06.25.08 - 4:54 pm
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Well it wasn't always like that Miguel. There was at one time a nice big open plaza there. Then they started construction and everything got all crammed up. It's still a far better spot than what they had before this. Which was Parkman and Sunset.
I'm with you on getting a better spot. I was thinking Vermont and Wilshire. Nice big open plaza, and a better red line stop too. Let's see if we can get everyone to move to that spot, yeah? Unless you have a better spot in mind?
User106.25.08 - 4:58 pm
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WHERE IS PRETTY RICKY???
WHERE IS PRETTY RICKY???
WHERE IS PRETTY RICKY???
meandmybluebike06.25.08 - 5:00 pm
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I think Ricky is Yummy Boy now....... :(
User106.25.08 - 5:03 pm
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OMG annie!
Thats a great pic!!
-J-
Justin06.25.08 - 5:06 pm
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Vermont and Wilshire is a good spot. everybody rides the red line. not the purple line. lets see what the people say.
funanu06.25.08 - 5:07 pm
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LAISSEZ FAIRE!
LAISSEZ FAIRE!
changing the location at all, let alone two days before the ride, is not so smart. some people know that lacm is at the same day, same place, and around the same time. not everyone checks MR or bikeboom for the calender of events.
just leave it alone folks.
LAISSEZ FAIRE!!!
LAISSEZ FAIRE!!!
meandmybluebike06.25.08 - 5:12 pm
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annie,
im not talking about changing this months location, maybe next months.
funanu06.25.08 - 5:13 pm
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Funanu, i really like that question. I don't know. Lettuce explore alternatives via this hand dandy, boner/wrestling neutralized thread.
Other possible start points?
- Wallgreens @ 6th & Vermont
- ITC Electronic @ Berendo & Olympic
- Seoul Intl. Park @ Irolo & San Marino
- RiteAid on Vermont between 3rd & 4th
- The Park on 4SBB(4th st.) between Shatto & Westmoreland
Eric Hair06.25.08 - 5:15 pm
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and i say:
LAISSEZ FAIRE!!!
LAISSEZ FAIRE!!!
LAISSEZ FAIRE!!!
meandmybluebike06.25.08 - 5:16 pm
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Vermont & Wilshire have hired rectal thermometers as security guards to patrol that 'public space.'
I get looks when I linger there more than 5 minutes, just me and my bike. I see them shewing away dumpster divers all the time.
Eric Hair06.25.08 - 5:20 pm
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Keep your shirt on Annie. No one's changing the location of the ride this week!
User106.25.08 - 5:20 pm
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How about the METRO stop at Wilshire & Western?
Eric Hair06.25.08 - 5:22 pm
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you need to spread the word if you're making this change.
is there an LACM message board? bikeboom? flyers?
spiraldemon06.25.08 - 5:24 pm
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How about this:
-we meet up and ride at 7:30 as posted.
-we take it up wilshire east (hasn't been done in a while)
-whoever is in the lead can call out the turns from there
-if someone wants to take people to a movie...great....they can make an announcement and they can go to a movie
-if there's a playlist, try not to duplicate too many songs from recent rides
-don't get wasted
-bring a front and back light
-don't ride with an open container
now fuck off.
barleye06.25.08 - 5:26 pm
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Yeah, the Wilshire/Vermont plaza is really un-bike-friendly.
theroyalacademy06.25.08 - 5:27 pm
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that's the first time i heard someone telling me to keep my shirt ON!
meandmybluebike06.25.08 - 5:29 pm
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Isn't that plaza at Vermont and Wilshire public space? If it's public space, those private security guards don't control it.
User106.25.08 - 5:32 pm
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I can't tell whether all this movie business is a bit of clueless asshattery or an absolutely brilliant satire. Can I hijack the ride next month? SRSLY, you guys kill me. I mean, in a strictly metaphorical sense, of course.
Also, if I may pose a couple offtopic rhetorical questions here... Why does sexy keep repeating that same offtopic rhetorical question? If User1 gave the answer (which everybody already knows), would sexy give him a hug?
nathansnider06.25.08 - 5:49 pm
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Light bulb pop........................... I got an idea.... let's swap out the stupid circle of death and block an intersection and have stuart and User1 fight it out UFC style.......... it sure be fun to see. We'll keep it to a 3 minute bout so we can keep on riding................
Freeekeone06.25.08 - 5:52 pm
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I love the idea freepy! You have any warm up matches in mind? Let's do a big rumbble in jungle on Hollywood Blvd! we'll line up by places we want to start!
User106.25.08 - 6:10 pm
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it's funny how USER1 is always at some sort of controversy with someone. Today or way back when. Patterns are hard to change.
Be careful about that challenge, USER1 will duct out of the original plan and want to go squat in a abandon building for the evening as a competition. Go figure.
I apologize to everybody (except USER1) about the redundancy of the question. I don't know the answer or I wouldn't ask it . All that I'm asking, is if USER1 rode on any of the freeway rides or not. I know he has read the question over and over. I just wish he would answer it. I have no idea why he wouldn't answer it. Its not like he would be incriminating himself (according to his arguments) I rode on one of the freeway rides and look forward to doing it again
sexy06.25.08 - 6:37 pm
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@User1
I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure the answer is no, that plaza is not public space -- it is a part of the privately-owned development. But the area behind the plaza where the Metro elevators come up, off Shatto, that probably is.
My question is: do many riders actually take the subway to LACM? That is not rhetorical; I am actually curious. I don't recall seeing many people coming up from the subway station at previous rides, but maybe that is because W/W is indeed not the most convenient station to ride to (assuming one is coming from the N. Hollywood direction, not downtown).
All in all, I don't personally see the situation as all that broken, not sure it needs fixing.
theroyalacademy06.25.08 - 6:51 pm
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My favorite thing about LACM is going to BCD for Korean food after the ride!
stevo406.25.08 - 6:53 pm
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You know what - this is a lot of bickering. The crowd will settle this. What's really strange here is that, for all this talk, who here really knows the comprehensive history of LACM? I know a lot, but only up to early 05.
Check out this disparity - compare the pages of LACM and VCM on ibikeu Wiki:
Los Angeles Critical Mass
Venice Critical Mass
Howabout all you argumentative peeps throwdown and write a decent article on LACM? That way all that energy will be useful to someone down the line, rather than just vanishing oblivion like this thread will. Be fair!
Love,
Alex Thompson06.25.08 - 7:02 pm
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My first CM was in San Fransisco. I am group riding today because of that ride alone. Nearly two thousand people hit the streets in a completely impromptu ride. Eg: A trolly stopped in front of us; thankfully, everybody up there knows how to ride their bike. Here there would be a 12394871234 post forum about how we need to avoid trolly routes, pussies.
It really sucks that LACM is all about routes and movies and stops and circles of death. Fucking ride.
I don't know what clown gave user1 the go ahead to claim this ride as his own, but that is fucking stupid. People should be turning any which way. Afraid of a hill? ..walk your sorry ass. Afraid of a right turn? ..use the goddam crosswalk.
I believe it was Mr Walsh who reminded us all of some of the best aspects of CM, one of which is the fact that this is NOT a party ride. We are talking about LACM as if it is a party ride and this website is in control. This website, it's users, and everybody else who plans to participate is no more a leader than I am. IF YOU RIDE CM YOU ARE LEADING EVERYONE INTO A MORE BIKE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY. A COMMUNITY NOT SHORT ON MOVIE GOERS.
I think everybody needs to enact the STFU policy, here and now, that will be next months undiscussed ride.
I just hope all this carrying on is for nothing and the ride goes off without a hitch (or leader or fucking movie).
User1, you want an "AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!!!111" ride, fine, but do it on your own time. This is LACM, figure out what that means and you might just realize how quickly you are spoiling a great WORLDWIDE "bicycle" movement.
PS: I'd think you were equally idiotic if you were taking us to a movie about bicycles.
lbRida06.25.08 - 7:27 pm
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i say next month we have no route, no posting on MR, no fuckin forum talking about it. just show up and ride. lets take over the streets of los angeles in strong numbers!
funanu06.25.08 - 7:41 pm
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You tell 'em, lbRida. I'm sick of these PUSSIES who think Critical Mass is all about "togetherness" or "community" or some kind of wimpy CRAP like that. Tough guys like you and me know that Critical Mass is about survival of the FITTEST! There's no room for the WEAK on this ride. You are so totally gonna WIN Critical Mass this Friday!
PC06.25.08 - 8:19 pm
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Let's build an icecream sunday!!
The sunday:
USER1 will duct out of the original plan and want to go squat in a abandon building for the evening as a competition.
The cherry to top it off:
There's no room for the WEAK on this ride. You are so totally gonna WIN Critical Mass this Friday!
Damn that was good!
side note: borfo, CM could totally stand to include a couple dumpster runs. Hair is off limits though...not sure what's in there.
Eric Hair06.25.08 - 10:28 pm
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I never said anything about critical mass not being a communal activity. You are putting words in my mouth, thanks. I didn't say we should climb griffith park, simply that everybody is always whining about one thing or another. This ride doesn't require routes, just you and your bicycle. Hooray for bikes.
PS: I meant left turn when I said right turn.
lbRida06.25.08 - 11:19 pm
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lbRida and PC are totally right!!! NO PUSSIES ON THIS RIDE!!!!
I too am sick of these PUSSIES who think Critical Mass is all about "togetherness" or "community" or some kind of wimpy CRAP like that.
Enact the STFU policy NOW and FUCKIN PUSSIES CAN STAY HOME!!!!
User106.25.08 - 11:47 pm
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Wait........ what's the STFU policy?????
User106.25.08 - 11:47 pm
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I don’t know what the fuss is all about.
LA Critical Mass has been great for the past few months, and it doesn’t appear to have a leader.
The group seems to be in control more than any one person.
Also this forum seems to only contribute a small percentage of the riders to this ride. The monthly post on Facebook, LA Fixed and Yelp is where the bulk of the riders come from. So anyone on this forum who is trying to “control” the ride, is delusional.
The other forums don’t mention a movie or an “America First” theme. It just says this is a ride to exert your right as a bicyclist to the road. Come out and ride!
So please don’t tinker with this ride. It has been working great so far. And if it ain’t broke, it don’t need fixing.
urbanpedal06.26.08 - 10:11 am
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urbanpedal, can you provide links to these sites that you are referring to? I mean links to the threads and the amount of people you are referring to. Facebook has 45 people saying they'll be coming. Who knows how many of those are fake accounts.
@LACMrules,
How does someone find you at the ride?
Two Sexy Four This Tread06.27.08 - 1:09 pm
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You stand on top of the bike cages where the rasta folks sell their wares and scream 'LACMrules!!!' until someone realizes you're not only super stoked, but your actually looking for someone name 'LACMrules.'
Eric Hair06.27.08 - 1:14 pm
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One sock puppet chasing after another. Ah, it's a match made in internet heaven...
nathansnider06.27.08 - 1:29 pm
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Fuzzbeast, your sock puppets are loose.
Sexy, please tell me you're bringing the super hot cruizer you've got. Only acceptable substitution I would be ChikenPox....and I know you aint got that project goin.
Eric Hair06.27.08 - 1:33 pm
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My guess is that Two Sexy Four This Thread is User1.
Other votes?
Sock puppetry!!
Alex Thompson06.27.08 - 1:45 pm
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Eric Hair, It is always a pleasure to read a post by you. I wish I could be attending, but my responsibilities will not let that happen. Maybe if I had a pedicab, but my budget does not allow that. Thank you for the compliments, you are always a pleasure to read on this board.
As for a certain other person, they are the exact opposite, namely USER1. You went and decided that it would be cute to try to do a parody of my bike family name. Not only is it not funny, it is insulting and annoying. I don't think that what I say will effect you, you tend to annoy most people on this board, and when brought to your attention, you continue on with your actions. I don't appreciate you using my family name, you are not sexy, you will never be part of the sexy clan. You might not like it, but the reality is the name Sexy is synonymous with myself and my girls in this community.
You tend to get very aggravated by the web master on this site, you are lucky he is the type of guy that he is, most people would have canceled your accounts, and not allow you back on with your sham sign ins.
No I'm not Satan On a Tricycle, if I have something like that to say to you, I will say it under my name, as I'm doing now. You are a very disrespectful person, it is too bad, your actions cause unnecessary strains in the community.
I know this request will be meant with, excuses of what I do and say, as well as you blaming others, or with the words "I don't care". I would like to ask you to please take the time to re-evaluate your actions and words on this board. They are usually not constructive, nor in the best interest of our community
sexy06.27.08 - 2:11 pm
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YOU GUYZ ARE SO LUCKY I CANT RIDE TONIGHT, ID HYJACK THIS FUCKIN RIDE, MAN OH MAN, A MOVIE? WHAT IS HAPPENING TO LACM?
THIS IS THE ONE RIDE THAT IS ALWAYS HYJACKABLE, GOING TO A MOVIE, IS NOT LACM-ISH!
I THINK THAT THE MOVIE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SET UP AS A SEPARATE "MOVIE RIDE"
BUT NOBODY HAS TO LISTEN TO ME NOW, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT ALL THE RIDAS THAT DONT COME ON THIS WEBSITE, ARE EXPECTING A RIDE, NOT TO SIT AND WATCH A MOVIE, ALSO LACM IS NEVER ABOUT A THEAM RIDE, ALSO THAT IT CHANGES THE FORMAT, WITCH COULD HURT THE RIDE LATER, IT IS ALL ABOUT RIDING YOUR BIKE WITH AS MANY AS POSSIBLE, ADVOCATING MASSIVE BYCYCLELIST RUNNING AMOK ON THE STREETS OF LOS ANGELES!
SOMEBODY BETTER HYJACK THIS SHIT!
eddieboyinla06.27.08 - 2:18 pm
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EDDIE! GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE AND PUT SOME ICE ON YOUR DAMN BALLS!
meandmybluebike06.27.08 - 2:21 pm
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Wow, Annie's on a tear this afternoon. Who pissed in her Frootloops? .....Oh, wait, it was ME.
theroyalacademy06.27.08 - 2:49 pm
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I know that I'm going to LACM tonight just to witness the carnage that will be spawned when someone tries to split the ride. SO good one guys - its actually worked as a recruitment exercise.
ideasculptor06.27.08 - 4:42 pm
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LACMrules,
Are you even going to this ride? Will you be making it known who you are? Why post a ride if you're not going to show up?
Two Sexy Four This Tread06.27.08 - 5:47 pm
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Who is LACMrules?
Who is guy fawkes?
kyber06.27.08 - 5:48 pm
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I'm boycotting this ride until, everyone is more positive.
franz06.27.08 - 6:22 pm
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i'm boycotting this ride until, commas are used properly.
(PC, is that you?)
canadienne06.27.08 - 6:28 pm
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@franz The ride will be fine. This is just, like, five people arguing amongst themselves. Better to boycott this forum.
theroyalacademy06.27.08 - 6:35 pm
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Nice Ride, Route and music -- thanks Barleye for the playlist and Stuart for pulling.
stevo406.27.08 - 10:33 pm
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HENCE MY DAY SUCKED BECAUSE I DID NOT GET THE CHANCE TO SEE ONE OF THE BEST SUPPORTERS OF LACM, ERIK, I MISS YOUR SMILE!
eddieboyinla06.27.08 - 11:45 pm
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I went to the Made in America screening at Cal Plaza tonight with every intention of going up to the Rite Aid in Hollywood for the Post-LACM People's Ride, but some greedy asshole stole my front wheel some time during the movie. If you're reading this, you little fucker, I hope my wheel gives you countless flat tires. Sorry someone distracted you from getting my rear wheel, too.
quica06.28.08 - 12:16 am
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Went on my first LACM ride about third group ride and pretty eye opening. Gangbangers who deal drugs go on this ride and of course one threw a beer in the air that almost hit me. I told him that was messed up and he got all gangsta on me until this big guy stepped in (sorry bad with names). He of course backed off him but kept his focus on me and him and his gangbanger buddies put their Midnight Ridazz bandanas on and followed me the rest of the way threatening to "cut me". Of course this was a problem since the ride was where it was. Do I get stabbed by a gangbanger on a bike or one on a solo ride home? hmmm... I told a couple MR guys one in a green shirt and a big guy in a black shirt and they were really cool but I was a bit perplexed that they were like, "Yeah they deal drugs and are acting totally crazy but there's nothing that we can do about it, it's nobodys ride." So I did make it home safe but had getting shanked from behind in the back of my mind most of the way home.
I'm not sure if this is a MR thing or a CM thing I do know that the gangbangers had MR gear on and socialized with most of the CM leadership. Either way to have shit like that go on and basically have everyone tolerate it tells me these rides are much more dangerous than advertised. I empathize a bit with the leaders of the rides but from what I can tell it was mostly a non issue with them. I guess they'll wait til someone does get stabbed or shot for looking at a gangbanger rider wrong. I was totally shocked that there was no support other than the small group with me and that one big guy. Everyone else just kind of sat there even though that mini me cholo was clearly out of line.
Defnitely my last ride LACM, will never do MR being associated with drug dealing gangbangers. There has to be some sort of rule guidelines like maybe 1) You can't threaten to "cut" other riders after you throw a beer at them and 2) Dealing drugs on the ride will not be tolerated (duh?). I guess none of this means anything since half the group was high or drunk anyway. I will do my best to tell others to stay away from these rides unless they want to be part of a mindless group of lemmings who live under the fear of retribution from MS13 drug dealing gangbanger wannabe fixed gear bike messenger assholes from hell.
rayzor06.28.08 - 12:30 am
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AY FUCKERS, I NEED A FRONT RIM, HOOK ME UP, WHOEVER HAS IT!
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!
eddieboyinla06.28.08 - 12:37 am
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hey eddie,
i saw allen before i left the ride and he was gonna catch a ride home with danny zuko so he wont see this till later. but....
fuzz, matt and I straight up hijacked the ride! haha
funanu06.28.08 - 12:40 am
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GOOD BOYZ! FUCK LACM, JUST JOKING, LOL, THIS POT IS GOOD!!!!!!
eddieboyinla06.28.08 - 12:45 am
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AY FUCKERS, I NEED A FRONT RIM, HOOK ME UP, WHOEVER HAS IT!
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!
eddieboyinla
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eddieboyinla06.28.08 - 12:50 am
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Awesome LACM. Cheers to Stuart for pulling the trailer. Great group, much screaming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MOM Ridaz, fuck you. Talk shit about someone's Mom!? I barely know you.
Eric Hair06.28.08 - 1:03 am
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@ rayzor
Fixed-gear gangbangers? This lacks a certain amount of believability. Do you just mean non-white people? And, if so, WTF? Rider on rider violence is certainly NOT tolerated (and I have done a lot of rides and have NEVER seen it) -- but rider on rider racism isn't tolerated either.
theroyalacademy06.28.08 - 1:11 am
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Does anyone else know anything about this incident? Can anyone confirm my suspicion that some drunk mofo was just fucking with this person and that they overreacted?
theroyalacademy06.28.08 - 1:20 am
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Hi, who the fuck are you to question me you goddamn moron. We were arguing on the bridge for about five minutes and it certainly was tolerated by the other riders. As far as the gangbanger reference goes it refers to the behavior of the individuals in question not their race. I intentionally did not mention the race so as not to disparage others of their race who are normal people. So before you question my integrity why don't you ask any other riders if they saw what went on. Fucking idiot you probably ride a brakeless bike hope you get hit by a motherfucking bus you no talent assclown! (coincidentally Dan Brown is also a no talent assclown).
rayzor06.28.08 - 1:21 am
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hahaha! "im gonna ride your mom" is all i kept hearing from them. see what smoking too much pot does to you.
funanu06.28.08 - 1:22 am
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rayzor ryda has rayzor edge
buts knittens can has say diz
u shud tayke dis moar srsly b4 u quesjuns razorys integrayts
u quesjun kitteh
u quesjun ur lyfe
Knittens06.28.08 - 1:29 am
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@Knittens
lol ur too much!!!
funanu06.28.08 - 1:30 am
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dats waht prnicess butterscups will be says!!
Knittens06.28.08 - 1:32 am
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I do not mean to make light of anyone's negative experience on a ride. That shit shouldn't happen, PERIOD. People should've stepped in and helped, PERIOD. I am sorry they didn't.
That being said, my reaction was fueled by two things: First, my surprise and disbelief that such a thing would indeed happen (except for the occasional drunk asshole, I have always found rides to be very friendly and inclusive). Second, the manner in which you described the incident not only did not ring true, but also did seem tinged with more than a little prejudice ("gangbanger"? "cholo"?).
Anyway, I am done with this. I've spoken my piece. I leave it to people who can speak with the benefit of first-hand experience of the events. It is way too easy to descend into these online arguments. And anyone who knows me, knows that I try my best to look out for other people on rides and help make a safe environment for all riders.
And I ride a road bike, thank you very much.
theroyalacademy06.28.08 - 1:56 am
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oh hai buttercups
eye didnst see u der!
dis a very regal thred
der is u - teh princesh
n der is teh royals skool guy
he behabing in a very stately way
class ackt
so umm princesh
u want to go slummin wif kitteh?
we can haz see kule stuff
Knittens06.28.08 - 2:12 am
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I'm glad you see things that way because you probably want to have been there to be able to comment on what happened. I have no idea why you question what I'm saying. A couple MR guys suggested I post on the site so that's why I did it. In the interest of catering to your politically correct state of mind I will reserve the term "gangbangers" for the times when I am actually shanked. In the meantime I will use the term Purple People Eaters to refer to disruptive and unruly groups of people.
rayzor06.28.08 - 2:25 am
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL
PURPLE PEEPLE EETERS
WAHT DIZ MEEN????//?
not makes sense
Knittens06.28.08 - 2:30 am
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e.g.
Those Purple People Eaters ran a train on my girlfriend after I accidently dropped her off in the wrong part of town naked and covered in pheramones.
rayzor06.28.08 - 2:35 am
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Per Rayzor's comment:
I was there, it sucked.
It started when the aforementioned gentleman in the camo jacket / bandana, etc., sprayed the side of a passing van with a shaken can of Tecate, and then launched it back over his head and it landed heavily not too far from where Rayzor and I were standing.
Rayzor called him out on it, the guy initially said he was just trying to throw it over the bridge, and then got defensive and in Rayzor's face, and I took Rayzor's side, because if we don't self police obnoxious behavior it will get policed for us and then the rides won't be fun (or possible), and then people got cranky and argumentative.
Luckily, despite any threats that may have been uttered, there was no actual violence, for which we may all be thankful.
I think this could DEFINITELY have been handled better by all sides.
Saying you were trying to throw a half-full beer can off of a bridge is NOT AN ACCEPTABLE EXCUSE to almost hitting someone with said beer can, because throwing beer cans off bridges is exactly the kind of stupid shit we should be avoiding on these rides in the first place.
I and Ray definitely could have done a better job keeping our tempers in check and been more polite.
I mean Jesus, I'm a friggin' crisis counselor in my spare time, if anyone should be good at de-escalating situations, it would be me. So I'll try to do better next time.
The guy who chucked the beer could have done with a little less defensiveness and a little more accountability,.
But hey, that's how it goes.
It looks like we all made it home safely, and hopefully nobody's holding any grudges (As far as I'm concerned, it's over, we're all cool, and the next ride will be happy fun time again (as 99% of this ride was)), and that's the important thing.
But what do people think about self-policing this kind of nonsense?
What's the best way to go about it?
I don't think ignoring it is acceptable, but I don't want to see people giving up on joining mass rides in L.A. because the people causing this nonsense threaten violence when they get called out on their behavior either.
But like I said, we all made it home safe, so hopefully next month will be as much fun as 99% of this ride was.
JB06.28.08 - 2:48 am
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And, to his credit, the beer throwing guy DID do a hell of a job corking some of the intersections.
JB06.28.08 - 3:04 am
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Would've made it if it wasn't for getting snarled up in the 710 rush hour traffic.
Not to mention the ports and the railyards are full of nice, little bumps that could give your dome a nice concussion.
Until next time though.
bentstrider06.28.08 - 3:11 am
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Geezus? What is everyone doing on the internet at 3:00AM? Don't you people have lives and jobs?!! Hippies!
Eddie we called you and held the phone up to the mic, but it was garbled.
Anyway, great route tonight. Thanks to funanu, matt, and fuzzbeast.
Most of the people loved it. Yeah, some people rode up to me and complained about riding through Skid row and the homeless encampments, but this LA. Sometimes it is important to see certain sides of town that you never see. And the old adage continues to hold true, you can't please everyone all the time. Most riders were happy and that's the best anyone can do.
Second issue, the incident on the bridge. I did not witness it, but rayzor did come up to me on the bridge and mentioned it. I also spoke to some people at the Vons parking lot later who did witness the incident and tried to intervene. So it did happen. Again, like Crank Mob, there was more alcohol than reason, and that probably escalated the incident. The positive aspect is that no one got hurt. I don't know who was involved besides rayzor, but we should probably all try to be more aware of situations that spiral out of control. As JB posted, we do need to come up with some conflict resolution guidelines, because we can't have this kind of thing ruin a ride.
Two riders got tickets for corking and running red lights. So they will have to do the continuance, delay, trial by declaration crap to get out of the tickets.
On to lighter and positive things.
Roadblock rode with us tonight.
As Eric said, the spirit of the group was fantastic. Lots of screaming and yelling.
Mickey Wally's playlist played at Wilshire and Western and you will have to ask him to post the songs.
The Barleye playlist played throughout the LACM and the People's Ride. Again you will have to ask him to post the songs.
The second ride (Peoples Ride) through congested Hollywood was great. COD on Highland and Hollywood in front of two LAPD patrol cars was pretty gutsy.
The best part of the night was the fact that it was a ride. Relatively short rest stops and longer riding.
Finally I am going to reveal a deep dark secret of this forum. Most of the bickering and conflicts that occur here is just theater. Like Jon Stewart said when he was on CNN's Crossfire...'this is all theater."
In real life Allan and everyone else get along very well, so don't be fooled by the words and venom that is spewed about here. It's just the internet.
Also, pulling the trailer tonight made me realize something that few of us are aware of. Harry does this job 95% of the time and it ain't easy. So please thank Harry the next time you see him, because he really is the hero of these rides.
If you did the LACM and the People's ride and returned to Western and Wilshire, the ride was 27 miles...give or take.
Rest up ridazz, tomorrow night is the Beach Party Ride!
skd06.28.08 - 3:31 am
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Sorry for for the typo, Mikey Wally not Mickey Wally.
skd06.28.08 - 3:33 am
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Knittens
I do typos and stutter when I correct them. How's that for being flawed.
skd06.28.08 - 3:49 am
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best part was the nap at echo park lake at the end. ZZZZZZZZZ..............
stillline06.28.08 - 4:04 am
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i witnessed the incident with rayzor and JB. i don't know them personally. the guy with the tecate was definitely the instigator. as things seemed to escalate, no one paid much attention. i walked away from the situation so as not to get hit by stray gun or knife-fire. also, i absolutely abhor violence. i told the guy pulling the trailer (skd) that a fight was about to break out and he made an announcement on the PA about leaving for hollywood soon that mostly diffused the situation. but, in addition to the guy with the tecate, one of his buddies came up in a black baseball cap several minutes into the argument holding a small kryptonite lock in his right hand. i assumed he was planning to use it as a weapon. anyway, awful situation. can you imagine if that beer hit someone down below? there really is a growing level of idiocy on these group rides. anyway, much has been said about that incident. but, no one has mentioned the poor corking of intersections. anyone near the front of the ride witnessed and heard two things:
1. approaching nearly every intersection, we were yelled at to either "fucking stop!" or "run it!", often at the same intersection (by the same voice). this confusion caused several near crashes.
2. some guy/guys would ride into flowing cross-traffic to try and hold it. at one point on vermont near beverly (i think), a dude on a blue fixed-gear rode into the middle of the intersection forcing one car in each direction to stop in the middle of the intersection as the light went red. i felt badly for the two drivers who were know stuck in the middle of an intersection on a red light as dozens of riders rode around their vehicles. wtf? there are right ways and wrong ways to cork intersections and keep the ride flowing. this was not right.
last month's critical mass was far more enjoyable than this. i don't know if it was the route (hollywood/echo park/downtown), or the music, or the leaderless leadership. but, i know at least three people that won't be going back to LACM, at least for a while.
crank mob for it's size and drunken stupidity was a lot more fun.
kurtz06.28.08 - 7:35 am
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This was a great ride, sorry to hear some people were harsh, that sucks,
Dumpster Gilr Rocks!
dannyzuko06.28.08 - 8:37 am
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I'm still without a wheel. Fucker.
quica06.28.08 - 8:52 am
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I like how the incident is just brushed off by most. It's "theater" if it's just one guy jawboning to another not if him and 4 of his cholo buddies continue threatening for the entire ride. I think what it was is most of you who saw the incident were too scared to say anything except for JB who didn't hesitate to do what he thought was right. I guess you may as well let the ride evolve to Crips, Bloods and MS13 Mass where basically everyone will be scared to speak out when something ridiculous happens to you or anyone else. Fuck CM, Fuck MR. You're all a bunch of useless morons I hope those drug dealers (acknowledged by many other riders I spoke with about them) lead the entire ride off a goddman bridge (literally and figuratively). None of that was directed at JB although I'm sure this does not reflect how he feels.
rayzor06.28.08 - 9:15 am
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Look, rayzor, you're passing judgment on a huge group of people based on the actions of a few. I unfortunately missed the ride, so I can't comment on what went down on the bridge, but even by other people's account, it sounds ugly.
I don't see how you think that people are brushing it off. Now that the incident has passed, what do you want them to say, exactly? Maybe more people should have tried to calm things down at the time, but now all that we can do is try to make sure the same thing doesn't happen in the future.
And it's fine to be angry, but at least direct your anger in the right direction. "You're all a bunch of useless morons"? Seriously? I know that people's online personalities are different from their real-life personalities, but if you reacted to the guy throwing the beer can the same way you're reacting here, then I'm not surprised that things escalated.
nathansnider06.28.08 - 9:51 am
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Sorry, rayzor, I should clarify that in the previous post, I wasn't trying to imply that you acted badly at the time, simply suggesting that you should act better around here. Especially if you want anyone to empathize with your situation. You have many potential friends here. Don't call them all idiots.
nathansnider06.28.08 - 10:00 am
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You know what Nathan I hope you're the first shooting victim on one of these rides that should shut you up you know nothing idiot. First you questioned if it happened at all which by now I think even a dolt like you is convinced it did. Now you are going back and redirecting blame to me? I do have a strong opinion about it since it happened directly to me but really you should shut the fuck up regarding what I did or didn't do. Yeah I could've just said nothing but when you get hit with beer and almost by a beer can it's hard to not say anything. Plus if anyone who saw the incident says I instigated it and was more the aggressor they are out of their minds. So please nathan reserve judgment for the things you do know which is probably very little you retarded biddy boo.
rayzor06.28.08 - 10:00 am
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Hey Quica,
Me and a homie were there too, I was pretty sketched about my bike, so I locked it up inside the plaza to one of the unused railings...
Thats sucks real bad man......sorry
-J-
Justin06.28.08 - 10:03 am
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I don't give a fuck if anyone empathizes or sympathizes. It's just my own rant. I think the vast majority who are on these rides are good people but I vehemently disagree with the lack of any kind of structure it's ruined group rides for me and it will probably kill these rides. Maybe you're a calm person but goddamn if you can reserve your judgmental jabbing for someone else and yes I am getting more irritated as I write.
rayzor06.28.08 - 10:04 am
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damn Nathan you took the words right out of my mouth...
"fuck CM and fuck MR"
I didnt witness the scenario last night but based on your words here I'm not surprised that the situation escalated either...
Roadblock06.28.08 - 10:04 am
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rayzor, the word 'theater' was used by SKD to describe the goings on of the thread, not your situation, stop being hostile. If this is your attitude I can see how things easily escalated.
Having read the thread I believe I know the people you're talking about. I mean, I noticed them. Camo jacket, teal fixie with red wheels. For any of you that missed it, he was the one riding in the oncoming lane slolom style. At the front of the pack he instigated many unnecesary red light runs, including the FUBAR left turn onto Olympic with the bus caught in the middle.
Eric Hair06.28.08 - 10:08 am
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"it will probably kill these rides. "
there has been over 1000 ride/events posted on this site and so far no one has been stabbed by a "gang-banging drug dealer". (fingers crossed)
Roadblock06.28.08 - 10:08 am
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HEY RAZOR, the theater mention has nothing to do with the incident...he was referring to people debating having a route on LACM or if someone was a leader of LACM......If you have a few minutes, read this entire thread and you'll see what he means.....it's basically looking in hindsight and seeing that it was a really great ride for 99% of the group and all the bitch slapping on this thread is water under the bridge.....I can imagine how fucked up it must have been to get threatened.......sorry to hear about the drug dudes. hopefully you'll cruise out for more rides sometime. please don't ask that i get stabbed or shot or thrown off a bridge or hung by my feet over the l.a. river.....all those would really suck.
barleye06.28.08 - 10:11 am
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eric's cool....please don't threaten him either......thanks.
barleye06.28.08 - 10:13 am
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I'll repeat what I said before, rayzor. Direct your anger where it's deserved, not at the vast majority (myself included) who wish you well.
nathansnider06.28.08 - 10:15 am
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I watz 2 de cee da seadeer sidez of da LA
YEs slummin wif da kitteh = f.u.n. (eye hopz & prayz)
ceeing gitin old
wi can haz brews meowtinis orz catnip
Bykes - mai haz baskit if u gawtz 2 menny n da Knittenz stumack
PrincesseButtercup06.28.08 - 10:16 am
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Look at how you sheep all flock. Must be nice not to have to think for yourselves. Barleye I hope you are gently fall into the sand uninjured ok? (and later develop an unrelated life threatening viral infection)
rayzor06.28.08 - 10:18 am
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rayzor
06.28.08 - 1:18 pm
The funny thing is you probably would never say these things Nathan (who is very smart person and a giant none the less) or Barleye (who is a stand up guy and very helpful) in real life. We are good people, don't let one ride out of the thousands that we do affect you this much.
ben dangel06.28.08 - 10:39 am
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SERLY GUIEZ, WHATS GOING ON?
IS IT THE END OF THE WORLD, OR WHAT?
eddieboyinla06.28.08 - 10:41 am
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yeah. that's the perp.: camo jacket, red trucker cap, teal frame/red wheels. first he shook up the beer can and sprayed it onto a van slowly passing through the intersection (with the drivers' side window open i might add). then, he chucked it over his shoulder into ridazz chilling on the sidewalk. i assess each dangerous situation on it's own merit. this one, i felt would have escalated to physical violence had i or others come to surround you. when i walked away, it was two bigger guys rightfully telling off the camo dude and his smaller friend. they were only words at that point. and, i thought that building an audience would have only pushed the camo guy and his friends to start throwing punches.
as long as we're kvetching...when we were stopped at the rite-aid waiting for the people's ride to begin (before my friends and i decided to head back to the westside), i was talking to a friend when some young kid shows up with a 12-pack of corona bottles for the teenagers next to me. he opens the box and starts pulling out the bottles and popping them open one by one, using a bike pedal for a bottle opener. as he does this, i notice not only is the beer spraying all over the place (including on bikes), but that he is using MY pedal. my bike was upside down, so i didn't recognize it at first. i said 'what the fuck are you doing man' (or words to that effect), and the kid looks at me dumb-founded...like i'm out of line. he offers me a beer, and i say 'let me just get my bike out of the way. he glares at me again and walks off. wtf is wrong with these kids? anyway, i digress.
so, how is this 'leaderless' ride going to police itself?
kurtz06.28.08 - 10:52 am
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This change is happening because?..........What else..the weather. It's nice out especially at night and a lot of people have been watching these rides and now the feel like its time for them to start as well. This will be going on for sometime now and if we want to work something out we have to come TOGETHER and make it happen.
ben dangel06.28.08 - 11:02 am
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WOULD I REALLY START CRYING BECAUSE SOME KID USED MY BIKE PARTS TO OPEN HIS BEER, THEN OFFER ME A FREE BEER, I THINK I'D OFFER HIM TO HIT MY 'BOWL' OF POT, HEY, IT'S A PARTY ON WHEELS, I CAN ALWAYS WASH MY BIKE LATER, MAYBE WE WOULD BE FRIENDS FROM THAT POINT ON, THEN I COULD REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE KIDS JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN!
IT'S SIMPLE REALLY. SHIT.
eddieboyinla06.28.08 - 11:09 am
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ALSO.....
AY FUCKERS, I NEED A FRONT RIM, HOOK ME UP, WHOEVER HAS IT!
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!
eddieboyinla
06.28.08 - 3:37 am
eddieboyinla06.28.08 - 11:15 am
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FWIW, not everyone likes having their bikes molested by other people w/o permission.
See the "stop riding other people's bikes" thread.
kyber06.28.08 - 11:18 am
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I joined up at the people's ride. At the end at echo park, I talked to this guy and he seemed fine. I heard about the story (from him and other people there) after talking to him for probably 15-20 minutes.
I didn't see all the shenanigans going on earlier, but as a latecomer I saw no reason to have a problem with the dude. Actually he seemed like a pretty chill dude.
Even if he actually was dangerous, what good is calling him out going to do? I am always going to prefer flight over fight, that's just me and my scrawny self though.
jonnyboy06.28.08 - 11:20 am
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no offense eddie, but i've seen your bike. oh, snap!
kurtz06.28.08 - 11:24 am
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LOL, AY MAN DONT BE TALKING BAD ABOUT MY BIKE, BEHIND MY BIKES BACK DUDE, YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY TO MY BIKE, SAY IT TO MY BIKES FACE, ESE!
eddieboyinla06.28.08 - 11:31 am
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the 10:30pm ride was a mess. a few friends and i cut out early.
Bánh Mì06.28.08 - 11:37 am
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jonnyboy n teh other ryders
flights is acceptrable responses 4 teh indivduals n the byrds
dis not acceptrable as group response
if a gurl kitteh was being freatened wud we stand round doeng nuffeng?
we can has responsiribility to response correctively n collectizvly
partriculary on behalfs of thoze rydas wiffout teh many fwends
2 awl uf you who says "eye saw it but its would hab been worse if eye got involved, so i didnt"
dis reeely stupid. ITWAS WORS, bekauz dis ryda was freatend over and over. share teh risk, be courageful
critikal mazz shud response as a crikital mazz
Knittens06.28.08 - 11:40 am
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princesh
howabouts caturday!
i luv dat day n we can haz teh catnips n teh uther funz
Knittens06.28.08 - 11:41 am
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Bánh Mì, your username is making me hungry.
Dammit.
nathansnider06.28.08 - 11:46 am
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knitehs iz da brave kiten lacm neadz da knitehs
hoepfally b mai brade Tom
Caturday iz a dat. datyme ryde b funz
PrincesseButtercup06.28.08 - 12:03 pm
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DEAR MR/CM COMMUNITY,
I REALLY THINK THAT THERE IS SOMETHING FISHY GOING ON!!! I DID WITNESS WHAT WENT ON LAST NIGHT AND
RAYZOR OR WHOEVER HE IS, SHOWS UP FOR HIS "FIRST" RIDE AND IS NOW SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE "LEADERSHIP" AND SUCH.
I WAS THERE AND ACTUALLY TALKED WITH CAMO JACKET DUDE AFTER RAYZOR CLAIMED HE WAS ABOUT TO BE "STABBED" AND WAS ASKING FOR "HELP".
I RODE OVER TO CAMO JACKET DUDE (AND HE WAS ALONE) AND ASKED IF HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO STAB RAYZOR, HE SAID "NO, HE WAS JUST GOING TO KICK HIS ASS BECAUSE HE WOULD NOT STOP TALKING SHIT EVEN AFTER HE HAD APOLOGIZED", CAMO DUDE MENTIONED HE WAS FROM SF CRITICAL MASS AND THAT HE USUALLY DOES NOT APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE, BUT DID TO RAYZOR AND THAT RAYZOR WOULD NOT ACCEPT IT AND WOULD NOT QUIT TALKING SHIT ABOUT "ALMOST" BEING HIT BY A BEER CAN. I CAN SEE FROM RAYZOR'S POSTINGS THAT I WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO KICK HIS ASS AS WELL IF HE KEPT TALKING SHIT TO ME. OH YEAH, RAYZOR WAS TWICE THE SIZE OF CAMO DUDE.
I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE STARTING TO RIDE WITH MR THAT ARE NOT WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE. WHAT THEY ARE, I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE: COP? ASSHOLE? SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO PUT AN END TO THE BIKE LIFESTYLE? OR MAYBE EVEN A CORPORATE OIL SPY THAT WANTS US TO STOP RIDING OUR BIKES AND GET BACK INTO GAS GUZZLING CARS. HA HA.
BUT WHOEVER AND WHATEVER "RAYZOR" IS, IF HE SAYS "FUCK MR AND FUCK CM" THEN I SAY TO RAYZOR "FUCK YOU AND FUCK OFF".
LET'S GET RID OF ALL THE LAPD AND SMPD SPIES!!!
X-Large06.28.08 - 2:40 pm
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DID ANYONE NOTICE THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE TALKING NEGATIVE ABOUT THE RIDES ARE NEW MEMBERS WITHIN THE LAST WEEK OR SO?
X-Large06.28.08 - 2:48 pm
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i know this is the umteenth time we've seen this on our shit, but fuck it,
ride a bike
dannyzuko06.28.08 - 3:00 pm
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the question to ask is... are we looking to "police" ourselves or simply keep the good vibes flowing? there are always the few who act rowdy and take it too far... but what I've noticed since the beginning of MR is that it usually takes 2 or 3 rides for these "bad" people to understand that it's about love and respect and they calm themselves down and then they actually become defenders of the cause or they simply go away. The group is too strong and rooted in love and F.U.N. to be overcome by some bad apples. remember The rides for better or worse are put on by the community and hey, sometimes they are insanely F.U.N. and sometimes they have problems... at the end of the day it's a public gathering and it's amazing to see how well everyone gets along given the diverse racial ideological and class boundaries. try to be open and to love everyone. take the high road. yadayada
and just because someone says "fuck CM and fuck MR" doesnt mean we need to retaliate with a "fuck you" back IMHO... but it does raise suspicions when the profile of this person is only days old and he's talking A LOT of shit. The real deal? Rayzor has another profile albeit only a week or so older than his new profile and yes there he was on another thread talking trash about another ride's organizers and being extremely antagonistic about it. This kind of behaviour is simply NOT COOL and hurts our community. rayzor, can we get some love instead of hurt?
so to continue the line of thinking... what we have here is apparently a case of Ill communication, Sabotage AND... having a whole new profile gave him the feeling like he had a LICENSE TO ILL!
Roadblock06.28.08 - 3:23 pm
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X-Large, good perspective.
I think we've all (myself included) fallen into the trap of forming conclusions about people we haven't met, and passing judgement on things we've only heard second hand.
Ride On!
And as Bill & Ted taught us: "Be Excellent to Each Other"
Eric Hair06.28.08 - 3:31 pm
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your internet is broken sir
Regarding this Rayzor's post, It sounds as if he is running for the office of District Attorney. Nobody but nobody uses the words "GANGS" and "drug dealer" that much unless it is a candidate for the DA's office.
sexy06.28.08 - 3:35 pm
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sexy, pool party, tan time....call me
Eric Hair06.28.08 - 3:36 pm
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rather than get rid of the spies.... let's LOVE them into the group and turn them into double agents!
Roadblock06.28.08 - 4:07 pm
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Eddie, depending on which part of town you're in, swing by bikerowave, bicycle kitchen, or bike oven, and one of them should be able to hook you up with an affordable front rim.
JB06.28.08 - 5:00 pm
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yeah Eddie, go by that bike oven, they should be able to hook you up....
your wheel is right there
With a hard time
sexy06.28.08 - 5:04 pm
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Wait gaiz
I have a busted wheel too. Where should I go?
(Don't hassle JB too much - he's new.)
Alex Thompson06.28.08 - 5:14 pm
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Thompson
Go to Performance on Broadway and Fifth, they have deals all the time.
sexy06.28.08 - 5:25 pm
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Eddie just don't go back to the future to this place on a Monday night. This guy is a pervert and will try to molest you.
Thompson, just stop a police officer in Santa Monica, tell them that you are part of critical mass and you need to know where Performance is, they be glad to help you find it.
sexy06.28.08 - 5:34 pm
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There was some Thompson back talk to the SMPD last night. VCM played some pickup soccer on the SM CIty Hall lawn and SMPD showed up - just one officer - like 10 minutes after we had finished our last game. He said "we got a call about some people vandalizing vans" (this part according to Poe.) Then he changed it to "we got a call about some people vandalizing bushes."
We were explaining politely that we were playing soccer, and then we didn't do anything to the bushes except lose the ball in them a couple times. Like we told him, there's thorns all over those things, if anything the bushes tried to vandalize us. He just kept talking nonsense, and at some point Paul told him it wasn't any of his business what we were doing, and asked him if he could prove we'd done anything.
Just hearing Paul say that made me five times as mad at the cops, because what the fuck, we told you what we're doing, now leave us alone. As I climbed to my feet I told him "We've explained enough now that we haven't done anything to these bushes. This is a public space, and frankly I agree with him that it's really none of your business what we're doing here." - some tense talking occurred, and then we left.
I talked to a lot of cops at CRANK MOB and everything was koscher. But people shouldn't be cops and idiots at the same time. I'll tolerate shit from cops . . . to a point. It irritated me that he was just gonna keep asking the same question over and over when we kept explaining that we didn't do shit to the fucking bushes.
This whole time there were 7 cop cars and the chopper a half mile away searching some car and arresting like 5 guys. So SMPD has all these cops doing that, and then sends a guy to harass us about the bushes . . . aren't there other places in the city that need attention?
Alex Thompson06.28.08 - 6:01 pm
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Yeah I'm a cop/spy who works for an oil company. The reason I posted was because the guys in the green shirt and black shirt who claimed to be part of MR asked me to. As far as that guy apologizing never happened he just kept it up the whole night. I guess posting was pointless like I told those guys. They know what I look like so if they ever see me on another ride yeah I am going as a spy.
rayzor06.28.08 - 6:01 pm
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Wait, I've reread some of the posts and am starting to agree with you. Does this mean I have to turn in my badge?
rayzor06.28.08 - 6:09 pm
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@rayzor
I'm the guy in the green shirt you keep refering to. After talking to you last night and seeing the horrible way you conduct yourself here its no surprise you pissed off camo guy so bad. What he did and said was in no way justified but your attitude sure didnt help make it go any smoother. If you want to help us out by letting people knwo that littering isnt appropriate then use a nice tone of voice and don't talk to people like a mean old cop.
stillline06.28.08 - 9:35 pm
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annie,
you left so early last night. didnt have fun?
funanu06.29.08 - 1:17 am
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also, it was great to see such a huge turn out. i arrived a couple minutes before everyone took off and i could barely fit on the sidewalk.
thanks to everyone who attempted to keep the ride cohesive and safe. your efforts are recognized and appreciated.
where is officer randy when you need her?
to the WOMAN with the SILVER PANTS:
"Hold Your Line (Ride In A Straight Line). You almost caused a couple accidents." I was the person who said exactly that.
meandmybluebike06.29.08 - 1:22 am
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oh, on the contrary! i was having a nice, relaxed ride until silver pants almost cut me off (kidding, just giving her a hard time).
friend's b-day dinner!
i heard you dissed officer randal.
meandmybluebike06.29.08 - 1:24 am
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Still line, I do remember our convo and did not realize I was upsetting you. As far as littering I have no idea what you're talking about. It is time for this conversation to end. You guys are right, I'm wrong. I'm a cop. I made it up. The blue bike/red rim guy behaved well. Next subject.
rayzor06.29.08 - 2:05 am
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Thanks, Justin. I've since replaced my rim (actually the very next day). I showed up at Cal Plaza and made the mistake of trusting the people there. I'd hate to say that it was a rider that stole the rim, but it's more difficult to imagine a road bike rim being stolen by a passerby. Anyway, my rationale for being so lax when I tied up my bike was, "This'll be no problem - they're all riders. No danger here." Just when you believe that people can be trusted, some ill-mannered idiot reminds you that you're living in an American city, where mistrust is a way of life and one of the main ways that we can communicate with each other.
Now, I'm back to putting up my guard. It was a nice rim - obviously, the guy needed it more than me.
quica07.3.08 - 1:44 pm
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