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on being banished from thhe bike scene
Thread started by ruinedbyidiots at 03.23.08 - 9:17 pm

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I don't even want to think about what you'd have to do to get banished from this scene. This is truly the Island of Misfit Toys.



PC
03.23.08 - 9:19 pm

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vote republican



ideasculptor
03.23.08 - 9:22 pm

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I thought Venice critical mass is a Republican ride.

Why do you bring this up RBI?

Do you think some people should be banished?

Do you think you should be banished?



sexy
03.23.08 - 9:26 pm

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by listening to metal



hartwick, youre a pussy
03.23.08 - 9:26 pm

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I hope you are not talking about yourself there, Sir RBI. Getting rid of you would be like getting rid of unicorns sliding down rainbows.



NEWB310
03.23.08 - 9:27 pm

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hypotheticals, people!



ruinedbyidiots
03.23.08 - 9:30 pm

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Seeing as how there really is no governing body to deliver this "banned" verdict, I would have to say being banned is probably nothing anyone needs to worry about.
Someone would have to do something extremely horrible to upset so many people as to not feel welcomed at MR rides.



NEWB310
03.23.08 - 9:34 pm

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Making an ass out of yourself?...

I don't know. Since there are very few rules in the community (the only ones I can think of concern making sure there are spoke cards and that the ride is posted on this site), I'd say it's technically impossible to get banished from the scene, much less banned from the site.

I think you're leading to something, RBI. Just say it!



the reverend dak
03.23.08 - 9:38 pm

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"Making an ass out of oneself"
isn't that a requirement?

Why are you guys not at brassknuckle's party?

although it could happen, being that we are a tribe, and if everybody was to ask someone not to come around, what person would want to hang around, after that?



sexy
03.23.08 - 9:48 pm

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im hungover.



ruinedbyidiots
03.23.08 - 9:49 pm

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i totally agree, the bike scene needs a monkey!!!



khaos
03.23.08 - 9:49 pm

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There's a party? I figured it was just brunch, and I was way too hungover for that.






ideasculptor
03.23.08 - 9:52 pm

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alright, lets just be blunt

I would like to see Roadblock banned from mastering this site.

What would happen to it then? Would it implode on itself?
Would there be no more thread deletion? Would we start ratting each other out (wrong site)? Would monkey really start riding bikes with us?
Would PAM pet Knittens?



sexy
03.23.08 - 9:55 pm

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everyones gunna snitch



HANDBONE
03.23.08 - 10:00 pm

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brunch is noon to four, the party is til 7am (as per past experience). If your feeling a little better this morning, you might want to stop by, before work tomorrow.



sexy
03.23.08 - 10:00 pm

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Damn it I forgot about this orgy! Well hope you guys had fun today. Post pics or it never happened!



User1
03.23.08 - 10:08 pm

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I commonly peruse the zoobomb.net forums and found out about this dude named "newfish".
In September, I bombed with him and some other people on a Saturday night.
Thought he was cool, but a week later, found out he was ostracized for an incident at the top of the hill.
In short, he was never heard or seen near there or on their forums within, 2-3 weeks time.
According to some eyewitness accounts, he was "throwing his weight around" so to speak.

So far, the only instance of a "banning" I've ever heard of.



bentstrider
03.23.08 - 10:21 pm

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I think stealing from other ridazz would get you banished. I can ratt a case or two.



marino
03.23.08 - 10:26 pm

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from other riders or just stealing?

Somebody stoled from a another rider. SHAME SHAME SHAME



sexy
03.23.08 - 10:57 pm

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Somebody stole Blackjack at the Salton Sea.

But then I found him.

But then I lost him to the fire.




toweliesbong
03.23.08 - 11:05 pm

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someone stoled my watch at the Salton Sea,

No wait a minute, I had to chase after my Dad, and left the watch behind. Golly gee, I'm good with my stuff.

Let banish me from tending to my things. Can somebody watch out for me? Help!



sexy
03.23.08 - 11:22 pm

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How about: Tire labels not on drive side or not aligned with valves.

KIDDING!



cabhauler
03.24.08 - 12:30 am

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Or, if we all wanna be real dicks, we could always follow the words from DMX's, "get it on the floor".
"U don't wanna party, then yo' ass gotta go!!!"

On that note, this line should be utilized on pricks like the one from that LosAngelopes video.
Chanted in unison, while I ride out of nowhere and throw donuts at the poor, chump!!!



bentstrider
03.24.08 - 5:04 am

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"U don't wanna party, then yo' ass gotta go!!!"
"U don't wanna party, then yo' ass gotta go!!!"
"U don't wanna party, then yo' ass gotta go!!!"



SKIDMARCUS
03.24.08 - 9:25 am

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I heard that a dude who was converting fixies in Costa Mesa was banished for selling stolen bikes and doing dangerious conversions (hub threads going the wrong way etc.).
Fortunatly, most of us are cool enough to not steal stuff, mistreat a fellow ridah or threaten to kill someone's dog in Frog Town.
I've been attending rides for over a year now and have had only good experiences which I will remember for the rest of my life, and met a bunch of colorful oddball people who I really enjoy being in the company of.



Creative Thing
03.24.08 - 9:32 am

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And that last sentance includes RBI!



Creative Thing
03.24.08 - 9:32 am

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If we're looking to lyrics...how about Sublime:

...
somebody always gotta turn informer for the man
i wanna know,know right now
is there one of you in the crowd
are you gonna call 911
and spoil all of my fun
...

That would certainly get you some frosty shoulders.
Unless it's the LAPD, in which case you might get applause.



Eric Hair
03.24.08 - 10:11 am

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You know I havent seen Ratt Bones since the Halloween ride.... was he a casualty? I asked around and heard about an incident at the Bike Oven, but no one really says what happened. Its all like "hush, hush". I thought he was cool.



DeKadenzy
03.24.08 - 11:05 am

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"on being banished from thhe bike scene"

i think it's bullshit.
the bike scene should be exempt from quasi proprietorship.



soso
03.24.08 - 12:10 pm

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wait. plus. how would banishment be executed for midnight ridazz?



soso
03.24.08 - 12:15 pm

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-Execution by Airsoft-firing squad.
Followed by a pelting with week-old, bagels.
Even the donuts will still be too sweet for thou thart dare tread upon ye' code of Anabaptist Scriptu..........
the fuck am I saying?



bentstrider
03.24.08 - 12:23 pm

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i think that everyone should be held accountable to the predictable consequences of their actions.

thats a decent society.

one time i thought my lights were stolen and i got to excited about it. bike bags are big sometimes.

brrraht!



mikeywally
03.24.08 - 1:32 pm

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I think you would get 100% agreement that everyone is responsible for their own actions. There's no argument there. The problem is what do you do about ridazz that endanger other ridazz? For example, what about a ridazz that has taken out other ridazz because of an over consumption of alcohol? What if it has happen more than once? What if it caused an injury and hospitalization? What about someone that causes conflict and ruins the positive energy by being an a-hole? What do you do with a rida that continuously causes conflict? These are real problems that need a solution.



User1
03.24.08 - 1:56 pm

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STOP!!!!!!!!Stealing my Stylo..



skano
03.24.08 - 1:58 pm

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DeKadenzy, That is over with. Let us, let dead dogs rest.

USER1, I suggest the solution to your concerns, is to disappear the said persons megaphone. That usually solves the problem.



sexy
03.24.08 - 2:03 pm

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was that a metaphor?



soso
03.24.08 - 2:08 pm

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WOW why didn't I think of that!?!?!



User1
03.24.08 - 2:09 pm

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Sucka LiL Monsta...




Joe Borfo
03.24.08 - 2:17 pm

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on being banished:

Start another ride called "hustle", and you're fuckin outta here.

Sexy and User1 should be banished from the bicycle internet. It's goddam embarrassing. They could read posts, but not make their own. If they want to threaten to race each other and then puss out, they can do it in private and spare the rest of us.

I was going to say anyone over 40 should be off the net, but other users seem to have a grip. Like rollers. Why can't you two be like him?

Or maybe they just shouldn't be allowed to reply to eachother's posts. It's kinda fun to have them on here when they're not acting like babies. Especially sexy. cyper - ya can't hate that.

sexy why weren't you at dan's? I took my shirt off to show everyone my sunburn but you weren't there to see :(



City Hobgoblin
03.24.08 - 2:40 pm

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Dear David

Golly gee, I missed you CH, its great to see you are back here on the net with us Geezers.

I for one would like to be, more like Rollerz. I somehow think that USER1 might feel the same way. I have to really apologize, that my actions have had such a negative effect on you. I really hope this doesn't interfere with your mental development. I know, "up bringing" is everything, with a young persons mind. I would hate to see that Sexy and User1 action on the midnightridazz.com will leave you to life of crime and violence. It would sicken me to think that in the future you will be raping or robbing those weaker then yourself, due to our actions.

I think we could use some guidance from Mr. Rollerz. Hopefully he can help us out on this one.

Can I offer you a CYPER hug to start with the healing. Maybe User1 and myself can come out and support you as you race yourself. I think it would be a adventurous competition to actually race yourself, CH. Have you ever chased your tail before, I think you have, but this time I will be there to watch.

I will be there next time to rub burn cream on you. I will never fail you again CH. I love you my child.

Seriously
Uncle Sexy



sexy
03.24.08 - 2:52 pm

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sudo rm -rf /



PC
03.24.08 - 2:55 pm

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p.s.

I would suggest you lower the age restriction of the Internet.

I'm not 40, just yet.

but one day you will be.



sexy
03.24.08 - 2:55 pm

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there was a party at brassknuckle's house? no, i'm not bitter. i'm just going to banish all of you.



yo delicious
03.24.08 - 3:24 pm

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it's not a party 'til yo delicious pulls midgets out of her ass



spiraldemon
03.24.08 - 3:30 pm

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You're not 40 yet? You have buttressed my opinion that an age restriction is not the solution we all seek. I propose a committee be formed. This committee will research all of the prominent members of this bicycle community, and these members will be served a summons. All the summoned members will be locked in the upper room of a house or suitably large structure, with 3 days supply of vegan bread and water, and discussions will commence as to who shall be banished. The meeting will not adjourn until one member is banished by majority vote. As the hours drag on, and the night turns to day turns to night, etc, and the deliberations grow increasingly intense and the accusations grow increasingly personal, we shall see what kind of men and women we really are.

However I won't be able to attend cuz I'll probably have something better to do.



City Hobgoblin
03.24.08 - 3:34 pm

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. The problem is what do you do about ridazz that endanger other ridazz? For example, what about a ridazz that has taken out other ridazz because of an over consumption of alcohol? What if it has happen more than once? What if it caused an injury and hospitalization? What about someone that causes conflict and ruins the positive energy by being an a-hole? What do you do with a rida that continuously causes conflict? These are real problems that need a solution.

these arent riders who only have one or two rides under their belts.



ruinedbyidiots
03.24.08 - 3:34 pm

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OK, I just read this . . . sheesh, you guys are embarrassing me! It's hard to live up to the hype sometimes.

Seriously though guys, I certainly appreciate the respect, but I'm not sure exactly what I'm being asked for advice on here. Resolving conflict? I often do what I can to avoid it in the first place without coming off like a complete weinie. One thing that's often apparent to me is that folks will say things on line that they wouldn't say to someones face. Humans seem to thrive on drama. I try to look at what I'm sayng in the harshest light before hitting that "Post Reply" button.

I rarely give unsolicited advice. If I get asked something and I have an opinion, I'll state it, but sometimes it's better to say, "I don't know" and leave it at that.

I think we all try out ideas and opinions that we're not fully committed to. It can be a good exercise to try to see things from another point of view without passing judgement.

Does any of that help at all?





mr rollers
03.24.08 - 3:41 pm

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Hey,

What time it is?



Joe Borfo
03.24.08 - 3:48 pm

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It's about time . . .



mr rollers
03.24.08 - 4:08 pm

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Shut up Borfo. You are not 40 yet.

Time for me to show off my ancient greek history knowledge.

In ancient greece sometimes they would banish the MOST POPULAR citizen because such a citizen would be seen as a potential tyrant and a threat to democracy. All you ROTW are nothing but lil Hitler eggs waiting to hatch. :-)

This is what the Bible Wikipedia says about it:

Ostracism (Greek: οστρακισμός ostrakismos) was a procedure under the Athenian democracy in which a prominent citizen could be expelled from the city-state of Athens for ten years. While some instances clearly expressed popular anger at the victim, ostracism was often used pre-emptively. It was used as a way of defusing major confrontations between rival politicians (by removing one of them from the scene), neutralizing someone thought to be a threat to the state, or exiling a potential tyrant. Crucially, ostracism had no relation to the processes of justice. There was no charge or defence, and the exile was not in fact a penalty; it was simply a command from the Athenian people that one of their number be gone for ten years.



marino
03.24.08 - 4:23 pm

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And here I thought ostracism were those big flightless birds that bury their heads in the sand?



toweliesbong
03.24.08 - 4:25 pm

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Marino,

Hmmmm... You look mighty fine in that Toga.



Joe Borfo
03.24.08 - 4:30 pm

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rollers:
"Does any of that help at all?"

It will if any of these retards bother to read what you said. Especially the bit about critiquing what you wrote before you hit Post Reply. Which I'm about to not do. *click*



City Hobgoblin
03.24.08 - 5:04 pm

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Rollers rules! He is not the one to banish. If you guys banish him, I'm going too. *click*



City Hobgoblin
03.24.08 - 5:05 pm

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Joe Borfo
03.24.08 - 5:09 pm

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I don't think I'd make such a good tyrant - I hate telling people what to do, but for that matter, I don't like other people telling me what to do, either.



mr rollers
03.24.08 - 5:12 pm

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if someone or something made you feel uncomfortable, would you stop coming out? would you take that person or whatever aside and spell it out for them? would you just shrug it off?



ruinedbyidiots
03.24.08 - 5:59 pm

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depends on how uncomfortable, how many witnesses, and the witnesses' opinions amongst other things.

if I was solo when it happened and it wasn't too uncomfortable I'd just do my best to avoid the person.

if I was solo and if it was really uncomfortable I don't know what I'd do.



toweliesbong
03.24.08 - 6:04 pm

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Shaming works. No need to get all high and mighty.

If it doesn't work then...



1. nothing






Joe Borfo
03.24.08 - 6:06 pm

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why would you just give up?



ruinedbyidiots
03.24.08 - 6:08 pm

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i'm sorry i peed in your Tecate.



toweliesbong
03.24.08 - 6:09 pm

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I'm sorry too, RBI



Joe Borfo
03.24.08 - 6:10 pm

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Uggh how can a thread go south so fast??? I posed a legitimate question, "The problem is what do you do about ridazz that endanger other ridazz?" All I get in response is "you're a poo poo head, "no you're a poo poo head", "well you're a double poo poo head", "ok, ok we can all be poo poo heads sometimes."

City Hobgoblin, why do you read the thread of David's, PAM and I if you didn't like it? I never read any of yours and Davids when you had your love spat with him. I just knew about it cause of it would filter off into the other threads. Why not just pass up the thread if you don't like it? You don't have any self control?

And I didn't puss out on a race. If go back and see, I was the last one out of the three I mentioned to comment about a race. I finally made a comment after pretty much being forced to. You're welcome to go back and read the thread. I offered a fair format for the race. Neither Dave or PAM wanted to go take a look at the site for the sleep over. I chose this format cause it was a bit like a Tour de France day. This gives alot more of a feeling of racing than a one day event.

In regards to being like Rollers. I have no interest in being like Rollers cause Rollers is like Rollers. I'm interested in being the best User1 I can be.

OK so lets try this again....................

Problem 1) What do you do about ridazz that endanger other ridazz? For example, what about a ridazz that has taken out other ridazz because of an over consumption of alcohol? What if it has happen more than once? What if it caused an injury and hospitalization?

Problem 2) What about someone that causes conflict and ruins the positive energy by being an a-hole? What do you do with a rida that continuously causes conflict?

These are real problems that need a solution.



User1
03.24.08 - 6:20 pm

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Marino's got it - stealing. Stealing will do ya every time.

He's also got the only viable option for dealing with ethically challenged ridazz: ostracizing people.



ubrayj02
03.24.08 - 6:21 pm

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fuck, I really don't want to become an ostrich. please.



toweliesbong
03.24.08 - 6:25 pm

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if their skin is thick ostracizing might not be enough?



ruinedbyidiots
03.24.08 - 6:26 pm

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yeah, ostrich skin is already pretty fucking thick and tough.



toweliesbong
03.24.08 - 6:27 pm

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TO ACTUALLY ANSWER RBI'S INITIAL QUESTION:

It depends. One of the first rides I went on, some guy kept saying "gay this" and "gay that" and, "What a !@#$?!" So I calmly pulled him aside later in the ride and told him I was really uncomfortable with those words being used. The guy apologized, stopped using them, and I've never had a problem since.

On one of the Ride Arc rides (the LA River one), I did the opposite. I flat out told this asshole to shut the fuck up because he refused to stop talking loudly whenever Alex was yelling his speech at the crowd.

It really depends. I'm a big fan of one-on-one conversations with people if they're potentially offending or hurting another rider. (Both physically or figuratively.) However, I'm also not above calling someone out for being a total douche, but only if it's necessary. (Like the BMX kids on the Rock en espanol ride that caused Johanna to fall.)



markedge
03.24.08 - 6:35 pm

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This thread is still alive?

Woot! Woot!

More ancient history class time.

Dear usr1 & rbi,
In ancient China they executed those who used hypotheticals.
OK they didn't. But look how fucked up they are now.

Srsly guise.
If you have a problem with a specific person or activity just come out and say it.

This community is a mental institution of last resort. We loathe to let go of our most hopeless cases. We have trained staff available 24/7 ready to intervene and turn lives around.

You must be this
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tall to ride.



marino
03.24.08 - 6:50 pm

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Oh and what Mark said.



marino
03.24.08 - 6:52 pm

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Omi God, so much to respond to

I shouldn't have included USER1, I can't speak for anybody else,
MY BAD

rollerz said "I'm not sure exactly what I'm being asked for advice on here."

all you advice that you offered is all well, good, true and prudent.

but I was just thinking about "staying trim."





sexy
03.24.08 - 7:20 pm

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as for City Hobgoblin.

He is still a young pup, doing all that he knows how,

one day he will grow up and make Ride Operator



sexy
03.24.08 - 7:23 pm

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Oh User1. I can't tell you what to do, but I think my advice about the dead dog resting isn't all that bad. That race challenge we got caught up in was retarded and embarrassing, for me, and I would think you would have felt the same (but I'm not you)......lets just let that rest.
We weren't going to race, and I would never trespass on to private property and stay the night in an abandoned whatever. lets just say I pussed out, and YOU WIN!



sexy
03.24.08 - 7:27 pm

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regarding
Problem 2) What about someone that causes conflict and ruins the positive energy by being an a-hole? What do you do with a rida that continuously causes conflict?

I will only address this board. There are a few of us, who have too much time on our hands and frequent this board too much. Those of us who do, not all of us, have caused some friction. Myself included!

Opinions are opinions, they are like ass holes, every one has one and they all stink. We put them out anyways, some may like them some may not. Some may rub some wrong, some may roll their eyes, and some may agree. This stuff blows over, harboring anger about it does no good to anyone, especially the person harboring anger.

Why do we all go on this board anyways? I think we have feelings of bonding with one another in this community. I do see a great love between everyone on where. For me this is my only connection to you all, sense I can't come out that often anymore.

And I still feel a connection.

Even with a person, I have used inappropriate comments with. He has called me on them, but we still have good relationship. I was touched by the fact he was happy to see me the other night, if even only briefly. It was nice to see him, and we talk for a few. This same person even looked out for me, when he thought I might die one night, and I did the inappropriate comment thing again. He still took care of me. Thats love and tolerance.



sexy
03.24.08 - 7:39 pm

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Marino,

I suggest we banish Ubray. Everybody like him, he does well for the community. Even when we trys to sound like a A-hole, he still comes of charming.



sexy
03.24.08 - 7:41 pm

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RBI,

If you are talking about who I think you are talking about, maybe it is time to say something to that person. This person I'm think you are talking about (even tho you are not talking about anyone), I don't think realize what they are doing. I would even go so far as to guess that person doesn't even remember what they did. I think the person just might need a good talking to. That person started there antics the other night with me, I stood my ground got in their face and put them in there place. Everything was alright for the rest of the night, (with me at least).

May I suggest, you possibly get a few people that this person respects, and have a little talk. I really think it will do a world of good. I know this person I'm talking about is really into this community, and would take into consideration their actions, the effects they are having on other, if brought to their attention.
I do think the person I'm talking about would be devastated if they where banished around here.

Sometimes we do things and don't realize that we are doing it. I for one got a tonuge lashing about my nay-saying the other day, and I do think it was for the better, that I understood, people where feeling the way they where about what I was saying.



sexy
03.24.08 - 7:53 pm

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wait, who are you talking about?



ruinedbyidiots
03.24.08 - 7:56 pm

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that person



sexy
03.24.08 - 8:09 pm

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This thread has obviously taken a way more specific turn in the last hour, so what I was going to say is mostly now irrelevant, at least for the time being.

I don't know who or what behavior you're talking about, but in general I like to think that Ridazz is a "big tent"; that we have room for all types, with a wide latitude in terms of behavior. At some point though, a limit can be reached.

I'd much rather see an attempt be made to help someone through their difficulties than resort to "banishment". I think societies can be measured by the compassion that they show to their most troubled and least fortunate.



mr rollers
03.24.08 - 8:37 pm

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every family has a few black sheep. some sheep are blacker than others.



ruinedbyidiots
03.24.08 - 8:39 pm

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Ok, Ubray and BBD is out! Or better yet, why don't we stone them! But I get Joseph's fancy new bike!

I think only people over 40 should really be the only ones to post. So since I am, I'll keep going! (and Marino I think you have my toga)

ruinedbyidiots...so when you say "these aren't riders who only have one or two rides under their belts." does that mean if you have a certain # of rides under your belt you can jack around and do whatever you want? Am I missing something? Are there a certain # of rides to become a CITIZEN who can bike with Midnight Ridazz?

I agree with a few people here that direct communication is the best thing to do. Even if you are ostracized for it. I can't tell you how much crap I got for telling someone it wasn't cool for damaging private property that ended up having ramifications (us being thrown out of a bar permanently).

I'm really thankful this question has been posed. Again, on the last S&S ride there were shop lifters and taggers. We were thrown out of a liquor store and the owner called the cops. It really freaked some chill people who were there just to have a good time and it may effect their decision to come out on another ride. Now do we really have to tell someone that this kind of behavior isn't cool? Are these guys/gals morons?

Hey, I've done my share of jackass behavior on these rides and to tell you the truth I'd rather have the rep of someone who aids our community rather than diminish it. You can hide behind the words "Radical" or "Anarchist" (which is some of the response I got when I was vocal) but what are these people really doing?

We're not a lynch mob. We are (mostly) adults with some pretty good intentions. Grow up and get a friggin clue!





onyurmark
03.24.08 - 8:48 pm

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does that mean if you have a certain # of rides under your belt you can jack around and do whatever you want? Am I missing something? Are there a certain # of rides to become a CITIZEN who can bike with Midnight Ridazz?

having participated in lots of rides generally means you know how to operate your bike in a large group of people. that means not stopping in the middle of the pack to light your cigarette. it means holding your line through turns. it means not swerving.
going on lots of rides does not give anyone the pass to do whatever they want.

Now do we really have to tell someone that this kind of behavior isn't cool? Are these guys/gals morons?

uhh clearly the answer is yes. unless we are behind 33 1/3rd and they are ok with you tagging their building.



ruinedbyidiots
03.24.08 - 8:55 pm

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ruined.... thanks for clarifying. I'm not as familiar with you as most, so I'm not always sure what you're putting out there. And uh...no it's not cool with me to tag or shop lift, I was just making a point.



onyurmark
03.24.08 - 9:02 pm

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Yep, I'm in total agreement with the above two posts. I tend to favor the direct approach - I've told people off on rides that weren't riding straight and I'm always yelling, "Hold your line!" I'll also try to warn other riderzz by saying stuff like, "Watch out for that guy".

Tagging, shoplifting, littering (why does this all sound so familiar?): pathetic, no excuse, grow up already really! It reflects badly on us all. Give a shit about something, if only the community of your fellow Ridazz. Or leave.



mr rollers
03.24.08 - 9:07 pm

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This might seem a little long, but I have a lot to say.

Bentstrider seemed to have hit the nail on the head. A big enough incident will cause some one to just disappear for a while. I don't recall "throwing weight around" so to speak, but it's understandable that if a group lays in on some one that they wouldn't feel wanted. I know I'm not the first rider to go through this and I most likely won't be the last. However it is what it is, and sometimes that's just life.

I've just recently been hearing all these things about me stealing. I'm not sure what it is I took, or how much but that's what happens at the rumor mill. Apparently I stole something from Marino as he so eloquently stated above. Again, I have no idea what it was. I do know that people were upset about me taking my things out of the bike fixing establishment such as my stereo system and lights. That hardly makes me a thief.

I had an incident with an individual at the establishment in question and I decided to leave before it got out of hand. Plain and simple(so I thought). I let it go over four months ago and here I am still getting vulgar, offensive, and threatening emails and myspace comments.

While at the establishment I spent my own money on supplies, parties, rides, etc. I hooked up donations and went out of my way for a lot of people. I brought several new people into the riding scene, built several bikes for people and gave away bikes that I had purchased myself or got them out dirt cheap to people who were in need of them. I got nothing out of it accept for a few misc. items and satisfaction of helping people out. I spent a lot of my time and money and I would gladly do it all over again.

I left the establishment simply because the stress was not worth it for me. It would be one thing if it was a paying job, then there would have been incentive to continue. I will say this. I tried to leave calmly and quietly. I even sent apologies to those who I thought most deserved it.

My guess that the reason some people are keeping it "hush hush" is because of all the things that came my way. I have had my house spray painted several times by some one who obviously rides a bike as well as my home being paintballed (which resulted in my children's window to their room being broken). I have been warned (threatened) not to go on any rides. I have gone through the proper channels for the property damage and stayed off the rides and out of the scene in general for a while. I don't need that kind of grief in my life. I have a nice home, good kids, and a great career. why would anyone want to jeopardize that?

All this talk that I have been hearing recently about me being a thief is total bullshit. I have no idea what it is I'm being accused of stealing, but it just simply isn't true. The irony in this is that the individual I had the "incident" with was over me having issues with him taking part after part after part out of the establishment without any regard to why the parts were there in the first place. I saw it as theft and wasn't happy with it. The guy basically just went nuts on me and I decided it wasn't worth my time to deal with this sort of craziness.

I make a decent living. Not the best, but decent. I have no need to steel anything. I suppose everyone needs a patsy or scapegoat at some point. This just happened to be my turn. I don't know who said what and what was said, just that I'm a thief. The thing I wasn't expecting was being blackballed. It has been known to every bike shop, establishment, etc. that I'm some sort of con man out to do evil at every turn. I mean seriously, that's a lot of work! Wouldn't it have been better to be networking that hard for something positive? It does go both ways. some of the people I talk to believe it all, and most do not. It is what it is and I can't change that. I only saw this thread today because the link was emailed to me as well as one of the regulars telling me about it.

The amount of misery and grief I was put through is something that no one should have to deal with. I decided to just drop off for a while until people cooled their jets in hoping that this would be handled with adult care. I'm not used to this kind of high school behavior and have never had to deal with it in life. I've never been accused of stealing before so you will have to excuse me for making a big deal out of it. That's not something I do, nor have any need to do.

It's been nearly five months and I've kept quiet the whole time. I found out about these rides, establishments, and advocacy groups on accident. It blew my mind and I wanted to do everything I could to help out. That's it. Nothing more. Every ride I went on I stayed behind and missed most of everything just to make sure other people made it ok. I thought I had finally found something where I thought I could make a difference and do something positive. Now I'm the devil.

I have a feeling that me posting will quite possibly stir a hornets nest and that's not my intention. I have nothing against MR or the ridazz, I'm just sorry that my personal drama spilled over into MR. I know some of you will see this as me starting shit, some of you will just laugh, and some of you will just plain not give a shit at all. However I feel it's about time to say something for a few reasons. One, to offer an explanation to those who simply wonder what happened to me. Two, to finally defend myself just a bit and offer a small portion of my side of things (and believe me, this is a very small and short explanation), and let people in on it just a bit. It shouldn't be "hush hush". It should be out in the open.


As for ridazz being "banished" or "banned", I hope that day never happens to any one. It's one of the worst things you will go through on a personal level.

I do miss the rides and everyone who takes part in them regardless of any of our personal differences. Maybe when I feel the time is right I'll join in them again. Until then I wish everyone good luck in all your MR adventures!



Monkey on a bike




Ratt_Bones
03.24.08 - 11:23 pm

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I don't know who your are Ratt_Bones, maybe I've met you.
Your ordeal sounds dreadful. I hope you come back to the Ridazz community sometime soon.



Eric Hair
03.25.08 - 12:09 am

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To err is human, to forgive is divine.



spiraldemon
03.25.08 - 2:22 pm

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Ratt_bones stole nothing from me, he stole from the Bike Oven which is the lowest of the low and he is a habitual liar using multiple identities here in the forum to stir shit up.

This last post proves to me he has not changed at all.

Why does he steal and lie? I have no idea. But he is totally incapable to put two honest words together. Like "Sorry. I'm a douchebag".







marino
03.25.08 - 3:22 pm

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"It's been nearly five months"

...see, that fuckin' FIVE... AGAIN.



turrican
03.25.08 - 3:24 pm

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Marino, you are a douchbag for even saying this.

What did I steal from the oven?
Please send me a list so that the problem can be fixed.

No one from the oven has EVER approached me a single time regarding this. They all have my email, phone number, and home address. I've only just recently heard this bullshit. I've been aware of the blackballing for a while, that started right away.

You have many accusations on me and the fucked up thing is that I think I've had maybe two very short conversations with you. Ever!

It's nothing more than high school drama. They don't like me so they painted everyone an evil picture of me, and with amazing color too!
It's not my fault you believe everything people tell you. I suppose if they jumped off a cliff you would too! It's all drama. I chose to deal with it discretely, and they didn't. Call me what you like Marino, but we don't know each other and you have nothing to judge me on but the rumor from some one else.

Sealing from a place like that is worse than stealing from the salvation army or stealing white underwear from the blue light special rack at K-mart.

Please, I have too much self respect to do something like that.
I don't steal, and I'll challenge anyone who says I do.
Especially without validation.

I guess I should let my superiors at the Sheriffs youth club where I volunteer aware that I steal from tax evading non profit illegal retail institutions on my spare time.





Ratt_Bones
03.25.08 - 4:05 pm

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LOVE this shit!



turrican
03.25.08 - 4:14 pm

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stealing from the bike oven is fucked up, but paint balling and spraypainting the supposed perps house is too. jesus christ grow up.



ruinedbyidiots
03.25.08 - 4:21 pm

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innocent until proven guilty

please, judge not...



spiraldemon
03.25.08 - 4:25 pm

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I am going to assume that a race is out of the question here.

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(



PAM
03.25.08 - 4:27 pm

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He was only accused of stealing, never convicted, and for people to vandalize and damage his home is a bit extreme, especially with out proof, sounds like you guys just need to shake hands and move on...the ones who should take actions against him is not fellow ridazz but the bike oven. But it seems they haven't, and so if they aren't worried about it then why shuold everyone else?



dolamyte
03.25.08 - 4:28 pm

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RACE!!! or JOUST!!! or BATTLE!!!

It's written in the by-laws.



the reverend dak
03.25.08 - 4:29 pm

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It's nothing more than high school drama.

Ratt_Bones
03.25.08 - 7:05 pm

I'm sad about the vandals




spiraldemon
03.25.08 - 4:31 pm

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you guys are fucking gullible as all heck. you actually believe that someone would go through the trouble to tag on a this guys house?! Ratt Bones has a credibility issue not the bike oven MAYBE it's true that people vandalized his house (long shot) but dont just turn around and believe everything RB says! to me just sounds like another fantastic lie made up by someone who is now throwing threats out there to "ratt" out the bike oven to the sherriffs come on now people I got a bridge to sell hope i dont get banned from the trike scene for talking some common sense! the truth is that this guy threatened certain people with physical violnce even on this site and scared off some people from the bike oven itself it wasnt healthy and only way RB will learn is to understand thhe mistooks he make



Satan on a Tricycle
03.25.08 - 4:55 pm

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I didn't read the whole thread, but I'd say talk shit about critical mass.


critical mass is lame.



mmaceda
03.25.08 - 4:59 pm

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Thanks for answering my questions guys. Unfortunately your suggestions have been tried and still the behavior has not been changed one iota. You can ask me privately about my "issues" if like. I am interested in not banishing anyone, but there's only so much peeps can take.

BTW, it's not just me with this "issue." Again, I can provide privately others that have the same observation as I do.

My end goal is to have everyone coexist peacefully.



User1
03.25.08 - 5:35 pm

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top.



ruinedbyidiots
04.3.08 - 5:08 pm

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what's the safe word?



Joe Borfo
04.3.08 - 5:35 pm

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banana?



canadienne
04.3.08 - 5:44 pm

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AFTER READING THE ABOVE REGARDING "RATT-BONES" I HAVE BUT ONE (1) THING TO SAY,
'LEAVE THAT SHIT ALONE, LET IT GO, AND A THIEF IS ALWAYS A THIEF, PERIOD, LET IT DIE, PLEASE,



eddieboyinla
04.3.08 - 6:10 pm

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top.



ruinedbyidiots
09.8.08 - 11:46 am

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top.



ruinedbyidiots
06.17.09 - 5:09 pm

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_iJunes
responding to a comment by ruinedbyidiots
06.17.09 - 5:11 pm

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fucking drama queens



palucha66
06.17.09 - 5:31 pm

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Did anyone ever look into finding a monkey?
People always listen to people who have monkeys as pets.
It's true.



GodLovesUgly
06.17.09 - 6:56 pm

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"if their skin is thick ostracizing might not be enough?"

i think it's an issue for individual ride organizers to decide. if someone's stealing or breaking glass, or otherwise endangering others, it's appropriate for a ride organizer to ask that person to leave, taking ownership of the ride. if they dont leave and continue to cause problems, you have two choices:

-calling the cops
-violence

what would you do if some asshole started throwing bottles outside your house? what would you do if some tweaker tried to steal your barbeque?



tortuga_veloce
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ruinedbyidiots
responding to a comment by GodLovesUgly
06.17.09 - 7:29 pm

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+1 on this reply.



TheJen
responding to a comment by markedge
06.17.09 - 7:35 pm

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the safe word is "poo paw".

POO PAW.



tern
06.23.09 - 3:11 pm

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top



ruinedbyidiots
08.30.11 - 11:39 am

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Sucka LiL Monsta...



gado_gado
08.30.11 - 11:51 am

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KOREATOWN WEDNESDAY



LEENWONDER3000
08.30.11 - 3:31 pm

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I dunno tyler, maybe u get banned cuz u loaned somebody a nice pair of drop bars so they could go to the track, only to have them sell those nice drops and not even replace them



JOKER
08.30.11 - 4:12 pm

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and by loaning i mean borrowing in case that wasnt clear



JOKER
08.30.11 - 4:13 pm

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The way I see it, you can't be banished from what you've never been a part of. Yes, I ride bikes, but am I a part of the bike "scene"? No. Does anyone on this board really give two shits about anything I have to say? No.



Velocipede
08.30.11 - 10:24 pm

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I felt some air brush past my face...






gado_gado
08.31.11 - 2:04 am

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I've banned one rider. He needed to be banned from my rides. He tried to sneak back in but I confronted him and kicked him out. If you organize a ride and you have one or a few individuals that threaten to ruin that ride, then you have to enforce. I gave him a verbal warning and then the boot after he would not come to heel. I figure one out of 1000's that have been to my events is not so bad.

Of course you can pre-ban someone by saying "no fixies" or having a mountain bike ride of fast paced road ride which will exclude indirectly by it's nature.

Then again I don't really agree with the idea or concept of a "scene" it not being a valid entity in my mind, it's just a mass of people with some thin connection (in this case, bicycles).





rev106
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09.1.11 - 7:15 am

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I ban teh skidiots from Colorado.



Jeronimo
09.2.11 - 8:25 pm

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I'll have to scope those guys out when I get back to the 303.



bentstrider
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09.3.11 - 12:49 am

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Skidiots?



mandingo
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09.3.11 - 1:29 am

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I've seen people banned and I think more people need to be banned. All of those kids that tag need to go, they don't even talk to anyone else on the rides. They stay in their little group, find a secluded corner and start scribbling on walls. Their tagging sucks too, it looks like a 3 year old trying to spell their name. Not to mention they try to race each other and cut everyone off almost making them fall. Then when you tell them "hey you cut me off and I almost crashed" they just laugh like it's funny or something.



Freckled_Toad
09.3.11 - 3:06 am

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RBI "I drank too much coffee and listened to stained ass."

lulz



Jeronimo
09.3.11 - 4:17 pm

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teh 303 is loaded down with teh skidiots, seen mostly at the low-altitude open space parks closest to the 303 metro

they can't handle the good trails on the front range, which is great for those who can

they ban themselves with ineptitude and a lack of desire to improve their skillsorsz



Jeronimo
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09.3.11 - 4:20 pm

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I banned myself from Midnight Ridazz.. It was a great idea.



palucha66
09.3.11 - 7:19 pm

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im confused. did i loan you $10 for those drops? and by loan i mean borrow in case the transfer of funds for goods wasnt clear.



ruinedbyidiots
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09.5.11 - 10:05 am

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No you dint give me anything. I loaned em to u, letting u know id need em back and u told me u would. Then u ignored my emails asking for a replacement.



JOKER
09.5.11 - 12:07 pm

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AHA!



gado_gado
responding to a comment by ruinedbyidiots
09.5.11 - 5:17 pm

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fuck the 'scene'



_cry Junes
09.8.11 - 9:49 am

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no, fuck 'you'.



gado_gado
responding to a comment by _cry Junes
09.8.11 - 11:52 am

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STEP ONE:

DOUBLE CHECK THAT YOU ARE NOT A COOL KID REGULAR, AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT "THE PATRIARCHY" IS.

STEP TWO:

THINK REAL LONG AND HARD. MORALS? POPULARITY? MORALS? POPULARITY? TOUGH, I KNOW.

STEP THREE:

SPEAK THE TRUTH ABOUT A COOL KID REGULAR, EVEN THO IT OFTEN MAKES OTHER COOL KID REGULARS UNCOMFORTABLE, BECAUSE GOD KNOWS WE'RE ALL FRIENDS WITH 500 PEOPLE AND *NEVER* TALK SHIT BEHIND THEIR BACKS. FAMILY, YO!

STEP FOUR:

REMEMBER THE INTERNET IS A VERY SERIOUS MATTER WITH VERY SERIOUS, INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ON IT. ALL VALID ARGUMENTS COME FROM THE INTERNET.

STEP FIVE:

GIVE A SHIT

STEP SIX:

BRING SIGHT TO THE BLIND. FOR THE FIRST TIME REALIZE THAT THE STANDARDS TO WHICH WOMEN ARE BEING HELD TO ACT A CERTAIN WAY (CERTAINLY THERE WILL BE NO ANGER OR AGGRESSION), AND DEFER TO ASSHOLE MEN EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE 0 RELATIONSHIP TO THEM IS FUCKING STUPID.

STEP SEVEN:

BECOME A FEMINIST.

STEP EIGHT:

STAY UP ALL NIGHT READING SINFEST AND LAMEBOOK AND NOT BE ABLE TO HELP BUT WONDER IF THESE DICKHEADS ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT YOU. CAUSE THE DRAMA GETS THEM OFF MORE THAN WEED GETS OFF A MOM RIDAAAAAAAAAA.



brittany
04.18.13 - 3:29 am

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I've only kicked out one person from my events, he repeatedly vandalized property after I asked him not to. He tried to return and I kicked him out again, so he was "banished" I guess.



rev106
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04.18.13 - 6:46 am

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...Shut up Borfo. You are not 40 yet.

Time for me to show off my ancient greek history knowledge.

In ancient greece sometimes they would banish the MOST POPULAR citizen because such a citizen would be seen as a potential tyrant and a threat to democracy. ......
Ostracism...

Don't we humans still have a version of this? Witness the assassinations of Lincoln, Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr, Lennon, Gandhi et al



alicestrong
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04.19.13 - 6:23 am

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oh! Malcolm X...



alicestrong
04.19.13 - 6:29 am

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I don't think it will work though. The "scene" is too big. How are you going to remember everyone that got drunk and stole something at someone else's ride seven months ago...I think self-policing is important however. Someone could do some serious wrong and drop out for a few months and then return, would anyone remember or have the stones to confront them?



rev106
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04.19.13 - 7:03 am

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Brittany -

i feel like you are bullying me now. i remember when i first entered "the bike scene." it was magical. i was impressed with the FUN had. i couldn't believe that riding your bike with so many happy people could be so amazing or that t even existed at all.

with this "bike scene" there are many tribes (as i like to call them). not everyone fits in all the tribes. but that is found everywhere. in all parts of society.

you obviously don't belong in some of these tribes. but like i said before to you in response to an email you sent to me.... you have to find your own tribe.

acting out like this on midnightridazz is no longer trolling but pure idiotic bullying. your negativity is feeding the hatred inside of you like acid.

now, now..... it's time you just walk away. seriously. walk away and stop bullying all of us. find your own tribe and happiness. just because you didn't fit in somehow doesn't mean we all have to suffer from your bullying.

so, just stop and walk away.

and sink this fucking thread!!!

there is so much bullshit unhappiness in the world that this is not needed. and overdone. and drawn out.

get ahold of yourself, Brittany. seriously. this is not healthy for you. like.... like.... not at all.

accept the things you cannot change and do something else with your time. what a waste. find your tribe. find your happiness. and leave us the hell alone.

SINK.



bondink
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04.19.13 - 12:49 pm

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Joe Borfo
04.20.13 - 1:35 am

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Sometimes banishing is a good thing. It means you are too different to mix. I banish myself for months before hitting up a ride again. I like that there is a bike scene and I like that if I am in it or not, it still exist for me to check it out. Some of the best rides out there have not been done, and I have plenty of ideas.... more than just riding around with a sound bike.... ideas for rides that would make the news and inspire more people to ride more but alas, I don't have the passion some of you have. Or the time or money.... some of you don't seem to care about waking up early. I'll just have to be a misfit among misfits and banish myself once again. I wouldn't have it any other way.



Hippy Sippy
04.20.13 - 12:27 pm

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PAYBACK IS A BITCH.

TROLLS HAVE 0 CARE FOR ME.

I HAVE 0 CARE FOR THEM.

WE ARE EVEN.

WHICH IS GOOD.

YOU FEEL BULLIED?
SHIT, ME TOO.

YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.
AND YOU FUCKERS ARE GETTING WHAT YOU DESERVE

YOU LIKE TROLLING AND MAKING FUN?
HEY, ME TOO!

I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE DID AROUND HERE.
OR IS IT NOT FUN ANYMORE WHEN THERE IS NO VICTIM?
OR WHEN THE VICTIM FIGHTS BACK.

SORRY GIRL. YOU KNOW I RESPECT YOU BUT I COULD REALLY GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS. I AM QUITE ENJOYING THE REVENGE.

ITS ALL LOVE AND BIKE FAMILY UNTIL THERE'S SOMEONE TO HATE ON.

EVERYONE CARES ABOUT THIS FORUM SO GOD DAMN MUCH, SHIT I AM JUST SHOWING HOW VERY IMPORTANT IT IS.

YOU PEOPLE CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT FOR YOUR FORUM. COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUS. I THOUGHT WE CHOSE TROLLING AND NOT TAKING IT SERIOUSLY?
OR DID I RUIN THE FUN OF IT?
AWWWWW. I'M SORRY.
NOT



brittany
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04.20.13 - 2:04 pm

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I think we're near the point it's like in SF or portland, where there really isn't a scene, but it's just like normal and what a lot of people do now... ride bikes to fun places, ride bikes to work, ride bikes for work, have fun riding bikes.com

There is only room to ride your bike better.



the reverend dak
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04.20.13 - 6:34 pm

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