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do you run the reds?
Thread started by Gav at 04.19.09 - 4:18 pm


Bicycle Red Light Running Tutorial from Joey Brooks on Vimeo.

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http://www.examiner.com/x-3049-Boston-Bicycle-Transportation-Examiner~y2009m3d12-Dont-run-red-lights



Gav
04.19.09 - 4:22 pm

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Love the narration... I never thought of going onto the left lane to run those reds... makes sense..



digablesoul
04.19.09 - 5:43 pm

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But yet we wonder why car drivers dislike us. I mean we are quick to reference cvc 21200-21212 when it's to our advantage (ie. the right to take up an entire lane) but taking reds is not only irresponsible and dangerous but also very hypocritical of us.

Personally, unless I'm on a huge ride I refrain from such blatant disregard for both the law and above all my safety and would urge everyone to do the same. Otherwise, we'll continue seeing "cyclist killed..."






GodLovesUgly
04.19.09 - 6:25 pm

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GodLovesUgly
04.19.09 - 6:27 pm

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+1, godlovesugly (not to that video)



ruinedbyidiots
04.19.09 - 6:30 pm

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I agree. I was just sharing this interesting video, besides there is some good info in there about looking around and avoiding hazards like the door zone.



rollinHighway
04.19.09 - 6:40 pm

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bitch, don't high jack the thread



Gav
04.19.09 - 6:46 pm

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Who's high jacking what? It just seemed fitting. Redundant, I know. But nevertheless fitting.



GodLovesUgly
04.19.09 - 6:48 pm

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I high jack what I want



rollinHighway
04.19.09 - 7:01 pm

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GodLovesUgly
04.19.09 - 7:16 pm

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i usually make a right turn, pull a u turn and make a right to get back on the street i was on. it takes a little more time, but it's legal. i'll also run a red if the sensor is malfunctioning.



tortuga_veloce
04.19.09 - 7:27 pm

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This guy iis definitely ballsy... but at least gives a good idea on anticipating intersections...there's times when rides spread out and gets really thin crossing intersections. I'll yell out,."Call it!!" and it's good that there are those that pay attn but i've seen ppl just go right through a red w/o looking. With cars waiting in the intersections...the cars give others cars behind it a reason to stop... but with a wide open intersection and that single set of headlights approaching... it can get scary.



digablesoul
04.19.09 - 7:55 pm

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rollinHighway -
"I was just sharing this interesting video, besides there is some good info in there about looking around and avoiding hazards like the door zone."

Me -
rollinHighway, what did you mean by this statement? The only way for this to be true was if you were Gav. You not Gav are you?

I guess we got the poodleman/black randy/tortuga_veloce to thank for this increasing use of trolling accounts. Thanks Iian!

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in the assumption.



User1
04.19.09 - 8:02 pm

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Bravo for this dude making this video. Some ridazz dig doing this. If there's an accident, then it's the rida that more than likely pays the heavy price. Goes with the territory.

A couple of things he didn't point out cause it wasn't shown in his example was when the light just turned red for him. If there was more than one crossing lane, you got to pay close attention to the lane that doesn't have a car sitting in that lane. That lane could could have a car moving into the intersection that maybe obscured by the cars still stopped.

Another thing he should have time to do, is look the other way on the one way streets he's crossing for any wrong way drivers, or even police cars.

Must be nice doing this with cars going 25 or so mph.



User1
04.19.09 - 8:12 pm

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User1 has gots them eagle eyes...





digablesoul
04.19.09 - 8:12 pm

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i wasnt the first person to troll, just the best.



black_randy
04.19.09 - 8:13 pm

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Praise the originator



Gav
04.19.09 - 8:18 pm

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That's a very informative video. I can't believe he can get through traffic like that. I'd like to see him bust that on a big intersection like Santa Monica and Westwood (I don't doubt that he could).



Velocipede
04.19.09 - 9:21 pm

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i usually make a right turn, pull a u turn and make a right to get back on the street i was on. it takes a little more time, but it's legal. i'll also run a red if the sensor is malfunctioning.

how is this legal? cars turning right on red cant just blow the red light either.



ruinedbyidiots
04.19.09 - 9:29 pm

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you can turn right on a red in california unless there's a no right turn on red sign or light. you just have to yield to cross-traffic.

you are prohibited from making a u-turn in a commercial area, in which case, i generally wait at the light.



tortuga_veloce
04.19.09 - 9:55 pm

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so basically what youre saying is that its legal for a car to run a red light as long as it is making a right turn?



ruinedbyidiots
04.19.09 - 10:13 pm

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I believe what RBI was going for was that you must make a complete stop at the red. Then, and if it's safe, you may proceed to turn.

Personally I don't mind waiting.

That, and I can't afford another red light ticket.

Can we say ASTRONOMICAL/EXORBITANT FINES? (I love both those words)



GodLovesUgly
04.19.09 - 10:14 pm

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yeah thats what i was trying to get across.
if youre impatient and you run reds then you are no better than the cars at the back of the pack honking and acting stupid because the cyclists in front of them are going to make their commute 30 seconds longer than normal.



ruinedbyidiots
04.19.09 - 10:16 pm

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Only when there's jack-shit for traffic and I'm the only person at the intersection at 2AM.




bentstrider
04.20.09 - 3:01 am

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The rationale of it being healthier to run reds so as to avoid ingesting the "toxic soup" being spewed from the idling vehicles is a contrived argument. Why not advocate jumping them because it reduces exposure to harmful UV rays?

But then I'm one of them pansies that will ever err on the side of caution and responsibility. Pretty much I have to be the only lonely soul at an intersection, and even then will run a red only after coming to a complete halt.

Stop signs I'll roll (with caution), but reds I respect.






Agent Orange
04.20.09 - 5:50 am

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the way i see it, rolling around a red is more courteous to the drivers behind me because it allows me to put space between us, and usually to get away from them completely.

point well taken about being a bad example, which is why i only run reds outright when the intersection is completely clear. but i think there's a definite difference between rolling around the red and running through it.



tortuga_veloce
04.20.09 - 9:43 am

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i don't make it a habit of running reds but i admit to doing so, although rarely, when i'm running late for work. i've never blown through a light, but rather stop and proceed with caution. it's a habit i'm straying from because it's unsafe and portrays cyclists in a negative light.



coldcut
04.20.09 - 11:15 am

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FUCK YES. this video rules. I swear I've come the exact same conclusions about techniques for running lights. I totally agree about the right hand lane and using all the available lanes.

bravo to this guy. love his narration and common sense approach.






Roadblock
04.20.09 - 1:06 pm

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you have to be really smart about running reds and not take stupid risks. that said, I have a couple techniques I could add to this series that would deal with higher speed red light running. If I wasnt so lazy I would make a vid and post it.



Roadblock
04.20.09 - 1:20 pm

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