HELP ROADBLOCK (MR COPYRIGHT PICS)
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md2 at 08.19.09 - 12:31 pm
hey all, I need to locate the photos on the site and who took them to send to this lawyer. help me out. I recognize Mr. ijunes face but where is that photo?
- RoadBlock
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http://www.v!@#$?enda.com/bananarepublic/midnightride_more.asp
http://www.v!@#$?enda.com/bananarepublic/images/midnightride/ins_5.jpg
http://www.v!@#$?enda.com/bananarepublic/images/midnightride/prod_1.jpg
http://www.v!@#$?enda.com/bananarepublic/images/midnightride/ins_4.jpg
http://www.v!@#$?enda.com/bananarepublic/images/midnightride/ins_3.jpg
http://www.v!@#$?enda.com/bananarepublic/images/midnightride/ins_6.jpg
if anyone took any of these photos please let me know and send me a link to where it is on this site. thanks
Roadblock08.19.09 - 12:43 pm
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http://www.vfagenda.com/bananarepublic/midnightride_more.asp
http://www.vfagenda.com/bananarepublic/images/midnightride/ins_5.jpg
http://www.vfagenda.com/bananarepublic/images/midnightride/prod_1.jpg
http://www.vfagenda.com/bananarepublic/images/midnightride/ins_4.jpg
http://www.vfagenda.com/bananarepublic/images/midnightride/ins_3.jpg
http://www.vfagenda.com/bananarepublic/images/midnightride/ins_6.jpg
Roadblock08.19.09 - 12:47 pm
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I just barely saw that video but fuck those bitch ass movie makers they're a bunch of punks
JOKER08.19.09 - 1:15 pm
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the one with me was taken by eddieboy at the discordian ride
_iJunes08.19.09 - 1:18 pm
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i can see drooby and eddieboy in the video pretty clearly
_iJunes08.19.09 - 1:23 pm
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The one with maria and I on the tandem is Marino's picture.
The one of the Burn Barrel is DCR's - I think. Marino has others too.
Who took the ones of Richie and Candycane (hott) ?
P.S. I love fags. Seriously.
Joe Borfo08.19.09 - 1:27 pm
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I cant find the flick in the gallery....
Roadblock responding to a
comment by _iJunes
08.19.09 - 1:27 pm
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If your pic is used, you don't need to track down the person that took the pic. You just object to your image being used. That should be the end of it right there.
Also it would seem that if the film maker can't prove that the images are his, then it should be taken down immediately. They're kinda going about it backwards and milking this thing.
User108.19.09 - 1:28 pm
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Too bad we cant leave comments on the Banana Republic site
JOKER08.19.09 - 1:30 pm
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for realzz???? I hate this stuff.... makes me mad.. ask permission and freakin pay people for using their images dammit!!!
RB please sue the BR pants off these people!!!!
redridinghood08.19.09 - 1:36 pm
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can we silkscreen some Banana Republic cycling jerseys and start wearing them on rides?
onethirtynine08.19.09 - 1:38 pm
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With the deep V necks please.
Joe Borfo responding to a
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08.19.09 - 1:39 pm
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someone mentioned there was a Gary Seven photo in there... someone? I feel like an ass for emailing this lawyer and not having all the info to back it up!
Roadblock responding to a
comment by marino
08.19.09 - 1:57 pm
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Three images that are on the pdf can be found here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikelikebike/498701591/in/photostream/
marino08.19.09 - 2:00 pm
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The burn barrel picture and the red tag of Midnight Ridazz are from my flickr account. They're tagged "Midnight Ridazz". I think they pulled them from there as I didn't upload them here. I'm thinking all of them were nicked from flickr?
neverclever08.19.09 - 2:01 pm
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It would really help to get some names and links of anything you find
Roadblock responding to a
comment by neverclever
08.19.09 - 2:04 pm
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Here is the video link:
Which has a special Thanks to:
Midnight Ridazz
and
Roadblock.
They just need to credit these pictures..
feelingrandy responding to a
comment by Roadblock
08.19.09 - 3:11 pm
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http://www.vfagenda.com/bananarepublic/midnightride.asp
link
feelingrandy08.19.09 - 3:11 pm
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If M.R is from the poeple for the people then why is it Trade marked and owned by one person?
TIMESARECHANGING08.19.09 - 3:15 pm
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This image is one of mine, taken from the morning send off of ALC 7 Day 1. I was never contacted for this usage.
GarySe7en08.19.09 - 3:20 pm
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Dont trip you have no reason to feel like an ass...
If Kuang Lee really cared, he would step up and fess up to BR about it (maybe he will).
This isnt BR fault really; its the film maker(s). Not to distract the thread, but have you asked Kuang Lee to just tell BR he doesnt have the rights? Maybe he can copy you on an email, or conference you in on a call. That might be an "easier" way to handle this... have you tried that route?
If he is not willing, then that says a good deal about the dude.
md2 responding to a
comment by Roadblock
08.19.09 - 3:40 pm
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Hey RB, seems as though my two photos were taken from Flickr. I never did post those particular ones up on the MR site. Both are from the Toy Ride this past December...links are here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30811353@N04/3109994812/in/set-72157611202231189/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30811353@N04/3110021368/in/set-72157611202231189/
supersano
responding to a comment by Roadblock
08.19.09 - 9:17 pm
md208.19.09 - 6:20 pm
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Ok this lawyer seems to be taking it up a notch....
"Please see my e-mail below, and provide the information requested (SPECIFICALLY what picture on the VFAgenda site you are referring to and its url and location on the page, and
the link to the photo you claim rights in) with a certification of copyright ownership, together, in a single organized e-mail."
Certification of copyright ownership?
Roadblock08.19.09 - 7:43 pm
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certificate of ownership...
that does not jive with ANYTHING i've ever heard. i'd ignore that.
there are two issues occurring here. copyright infringement and trademark infringement.
on the copyright case, RB has no claims unless the photographs are specifically his. complaints need to be filed by the photographer specifically or by RB as the agent for the photographer. either way, as soon as the lawyer sees that the photos ARE NOT the property of the film maker and a complaint comes in from a reasonable claimant, that should be enough. if the photos were uploaded to MR with the permission of the photographer, then RB would be in his rights to make a claim of ownership.
on the trademark infringement case, this is a bit more touchy and i'm not totally clear. they did not use the skull logo so no foul there. RB should ™ that mark, however to protect it. as far as the vFAGenda.com (heh heh) using "midnight ridazz" I'm not totally sure if that constitutes abuse. Though something tells me a lawyer could craft something around that.
the fastest way to make something happen is on the photo copyright front. that is brain dead easy and is totally indefensible for them.
let me know if you need the dogs.
indigis responding to a
comment by Roadblock
08.19.09 - 8:14 pm
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What Craig said.
The certificate of ownership is bullshit.
1. Tell them to remove the name midnight Ridazz from the website.It's trademarked.
2. Looks like the pictures have been pilfered from Flickr. We've tracked down about a third of them. Many of them on Flickr are marked as "all rights reserved".
http://www.flickr.com/photos/umaru/sets/72157621963274601/detail/
3. Model releases. None of the people on these pictures have given consent for their images to be used on the Banana Republic webshite. (iJunes, Sarah, Tarsis, Richie etc)
Do they want a bunch of people photographers, models to file suits against them? By definition the pages named "inspiration" is NOT original material.
marino responding to a
comment by indigis
08.19.09 - 8:41 pm
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Maybe y'all could be the Bike Snob for a little help. He already wrote about the Banana Republic video yesterday.
http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2009/08/to-market-to-market-young-romance-and.html
chunk08.19.09 - 8:42 pm
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Roadblock,
This is way fucked up... the film kids really created an unneeded mess.... they owe
You should have the film makers co-sign your complaint.... seriously if you cant get that to happen (if they are unwilling) then I have to honestly say, there is real reason to be extremely pissed at them (in person too).
Melissa Lee or Kuang Lee should step up to the plate and do whats right.
md2 responding to a
comment by Roadblock
08.19.09 - 8:55 pm
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I don't know...I just got out of my very first copyright class so I really have no idea, but a certification of ownership sounds about right...I mean you should have to prove that the photos you claim to be yours ARE yours, you know? I could be wrong but that's just what it seems to me...
It may not be an actual document entitled "certification of copyright ownership" but maybe anything that proves the photos are YOUR original work. I mean it only makes sense that you would have to prove that in order to take any action.
I am not a lawyer.
la duderina08.19.09 - 9:01 pm
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4 of those pics are at least mine... I'll add to your "Stolen Pics" set Marino....
digablesoul responding to a
comment by marino
08.19.09 - 10:14 pm
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So.... this would be considered to be used in a commercial purpose? In other words, the film maker is going to win some money... $2500. So if one's Creative Commons were to ask for Attribution (which there wasn't any) and Non-Commercial... they'd be violating at least both.... right?
digablesoul08.19.09 - 11:27 pm
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RB
If I remember correctly, Gary's Team MR photo is of me. Not sure if it matters since my head is not clearly visible. But my fingers protest and I'll sign whatever you need if it is worth anything.
Drew responding to a
comment by digablesoul
08.20.09 - 1:31 am
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these images were likely taken witha camera shooting in *.raw format of sorts--I believe possession of a *.raw file or simlar type is equated with possession of a negative, albeit digital, which would signify that you are the owner of the image--this is likely the "certification of copyright ownership"
my bet is that these filmmakers are merely complete amateurs (as the writing and film quality (lack thereof) suggests) otherwise there is no excuse for using those images without permission or due credit
a lot of film students don't get a whole lot of coursework that adequately addresses intellectual property/don't think about it
anyone who has ever actually worked in the industry on any aspect of production knows quite well how important intellectual property rights are and has some sense of what is/isn't appropriate
hitsthepoles_ow responding to a
comment by la duderina
08.20.09 - 3:34 am
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the certificate of proof sounds bullshit, as the orphan rights bill never went through [ that if a piece of artwork is found on the internet without a credit, it can be claimed by anyone. ] so im pretty sure if its your artwork.. its YOURS. if you can at least prove it by dates or something.
tinycities08.20.09 - 4:27 am
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copyright is inherent from the moment a work is created. you press the shutter, you own the copyright.
BUT, there is a big difference between a registered copyright and an unregistered one. If you have registered your work (about $35) you get a certificate and you are entitled to statutory damages for any unauthorized use. I think these damages are usually about $150,000 plus legal fees.
If you have NOT registered your work, you still own the copyright, but you'll have to fight your ass off to prove that it's yours, and there's no guaranteed reward, and you'll have to pay your lawyer.
In this case, i don't think that the inspiration pieces were meant to be published. i think those were internal links and they should've been password protected. I can't imagine you would have a problem telling them to take it down. it's like telling someone their underwear is showing.
the real issue is any photos linked off the actual video page in the "more section" and the trademark infringement.
I would think a strongly written letter would be enough to get everything taken down, without any actual legal proceedings that require rounding up every individual photographer.
cassidy08.20.09 - 9:08 am
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it's like telling someone their underwear is showing.
some people let their underwear show on purpose.
la duderina responding to a
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08.20.09 - 9:30 am
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minez are...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/coxonryder/3291831233/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/coxonryder/3291832463/
I WANT A YACHT!
neverclever08.20.09 - 9:45 am
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ok, ok you get the point though. it's like telling someone they have toilet paper on their shoe...
cassidy responding to a
comment by la duderina
08.20.09 - 10:03 am
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WE WON !!!!!
All references to Midnight Ridazz and all stolen images have been removed!!!
marino responding to a
comment by Joe Borfo
08.20.09 - 2:19 pm
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damnit someone should've saved the damn video and made it a GIF
_iJunes08.20.09 - 2:22 pm
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Oh the movie is down too. HaHa!
I didn't realize.
I thought it was just the text and the photos
I'm sure they'll put it back up without the Midnight Ridazz reference in the end.
Or who knows?
Maybe they'll redit the whole thing and instead of "Can I ride with you?" They'll have "ONE OF US! ONE OF US!" or instead of Midnight Ridazz they'll thank "Friends of the Friendless"
marino responding to a
comment by _iJunes
08.20.09 - 2:28 pm
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wait a minute... wait a minute.. wait.. wait...
whoa... really...
this is kind of empowering... what else can we change if we work together and put in effort?
Actually that wore me out... I'm going outside to litter
md2 responding to a
comment by marino
08.20.09 - 2:29 pm
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hahahaha
damnit where are all the photoshoppers!!?!?!
_iJunes responding to a
comment by marino
08.20.09 - 2:39 pm
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Fuckin awesome job!!
Now to start work on that parody flick.............
User108.20.09 - 4:05 pm
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I'll fuck you up User1.
Just because you went out with my my mom it doesn't give you the right to post her pictures here. These pictures are copyrighted OK???
marino responding to a
comment by User1
08.20.09 - 7:21 pm
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do you have a certification of copyright ownership on your mom's butt? I didn't think so!
f u !!!!
User1 responding to a
comment by marino
08.21.09 - 12:12 am
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My mom's butt owns YOU. Head to toe!
Fu !!!
marino responding to a
comment by User1
08.21.09 - 12:16 am
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You don't own me!!!!
And neither does she!!
Hey, you wana listen to some music?
User1 responding to a
comment by marino
08.21.09 - 12:33 am
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I went to school for many years to obtain the skills that are necessary to perform my job. I give away my work for free. You can find it at
. I invite everyone here to download and read it, modify it and redistribute it. Take it, this is my gift to you and the rest of mankind. I don't consider this generosity, as freedom is your God-given right. So why are you pissed when someone appropriates your pixels? Be flattered, if anything.
professor fate08.21.09 - 1:03 am
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censorship! WHAT FRESH HELL IS THIS??
src dot chromium dot org slash viewvc slash chrome
professor fate08.21.09 - 1:04 am
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Just an overreaction. It was more of the use of the reference of Midnight Ridazz, which has been now removed that triggered the group. Roadblock had initially asked them not to post the name or refer to the ride. Which was ignored. The photos were just an excuse to get a response so they would change it. (for some)
It's over now.
Joe Borfo responding to a
comment by professor fate
08.21.09 - 1:26 am
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professor fate
you take credit for your work. You as well as everybody on this board knows that the credit goes to MAX
The Great Leslie responding to a
comment by professor fate
08.21.09 - 2:09 am
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well, I don't see rockmelt giving me any credit... but your point is well taken. Credit should is due, but what's that got to do with these calls for remuneration?
professor fate responding to a
comment by The Great Leslie
08.21.09 - 2:16 am
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fate you always seem to amaze me. you don't see that artist have ego to satisfy and inventors like yourself create for the benefit of mankind
The Great Leslie responding to a
comment by professor fate
08.21.09 - 2:20 am
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Benefit mankind? Never! The internet is the downfall of man, and I am accelerating our decline.
professor fate08.21.09 - 2:27 am
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(Stares at camera wide eyed, while shaking head in disdain.)
Joe Borfo responding to a
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08.21.09 - 2:45 am
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Professor Fate, thank you for your extraordinary acts of generosity (especially in the case of other peoples' assets). I want to also thank you in advance for your bicycle that I will take and use when ever I have the need. I hope you won't miss it. Remember it's just metal and rubber afterall.
indigis responding to a
comment by professor fate
08.21.09 - 8:43 am
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We all exchange work, photos and beer for free within this community.
When was the last time you got free clothes from Banana Republic?
Banana Republic has no problem spending money for advertising. They spent 475 million last year.
marino responding to a
comment by professor fate
08.21.09 - 9:03 am
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You remind me of Jack Lemmon.
Joe Borfo responding to a
comment by professor fate
08.21.09 - 9:17 am
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Calls for remuneration?
"See the silver spoon in my mouth it had cake."
-Capa
I understand your point, I mean, years back I felt like I was exercising my freedom by donating my pixels to people (usually after a few drinks) and though it may seem generous, it really was just something I didnt want to take credit for, nor did I ever want to be credited for the work.
I guess were in that regard we're on the same page. But I must say, looking back, I really should have been paid for my work.
md2 responding to a
comment by professor fate
08.21.09 - 9:56 am
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Mr. Borfo - actually professor fate has an uncannily resemblance to a Prince Hapnick.
The Great Leslie responding to a
comment by Joe Borfo
08.21.09 - 10:46 am
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Ridazz Roulette!
wat?
infringe this
(stolen from nycsnob)
