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Facebook vs MR
Thread started by Joe Borfo at 05.7.12 - 10:46 pm


It's been fun, folks.

Just remember, Cooperation is the name of the game.

Rideon

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Dislike.

On the other hand you can delete, block and untag on fb...



Gizzard
05.7.12 - 11:38 pm

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I can't tell if you're done with MR or facebook.



lackflag
05.8.12 - 12:31 am

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thats like car vs. bike.
Sure a car is more convenient and everybody uses them, but bikes are moar fun and better for the soul.

F*ck Facebook.



trickmilla
05.8.12 - 12:56 am

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Define "convenient."



theroyalacademy
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05.8.12 - 12:58 am

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Just stirring thought. I refuse to join FB Ridazz group on principle. I want to know about MR rides on this site. But I'm giving up hope that will continue. Some of you care. Most of you don't. No big deal I guess.

my cooperation comment refers to the future of events. Looks like Alec is on the right track. I think more communication about events is crucial to a point though, and that is lacking here. Need to see more people working together to make it happen. One or two person led events are not going to survive or create a collaborative effort towards the search of fun.



Joe Borfo
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05.8.12 - 1:25 am

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In other words. You probably didn't get the memo because it's mostly on FB.

Ride 101 is over there in case you missed it folks. --->

it's more descriptive on FB though for some reason...

Get involved and make create the doacracy that MR can be.

Or continue to lurk in indifference.






Joe Borfo
05.8.12 - 1:39 am

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I use facebook as a rolodex. Sometimes I slip and use it more than I'd like, but yeah. Self-discipline. Erg.



lackflag
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05.8.12 - 1:40 am

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Even Barlame's presence is missed on the rides nowadays. He put up a good fight for as long as he could.

RIP Barlame.






R@WKIT
05.8.12 - 1:45 am

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i hate face book in the riding community
mr all day and all night



dudebra420
05.8.12 - 2:38 am

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facebook



rev106
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05.8.12 - 6:15 am

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It's cool guy let's just have a quick game of farm ville and it will all be ok.



andres84
05.8.12 - 8:52 am

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"fame hunger and dismal self-exploitation"

...still my favorite article ever about social media. Y'all should like it on Facebook.



nathansnider
05.8.12 - 9:55 am

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trickmilla
responding to a comment by theroyalacademy
05.8.12 - 10:24 am

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Just putting this out there in the same spirit of cooperation and adding to the bike scene stuff.

Due to the projects im engaged in, I would be down to cooperate on some structural support to include and consider the least privileged cyclist amongst us. For example, how can we create a resource for undocumented riders to plug into in case they are victims of hit n runs, get pulled over, need medical help, etc. Even creating an online link here to educate ridazz on how to support / follow-up with a rida if they get harassed / pulled over on a ride.

As a small example, if you know that you can call Roadblock if you're hit, then get streets blog to pick up your story, then have FB ridazz sound an alarm, then you're probably a little lucky. Essentially how can we give out RBs number to more people and teach him Spanish and Korean when phone calls come in?

Just throwing it out.

peace.



markd
05.8.12 - 11:45 am

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and the point also being, i think it helps make MR ride that much more inclusive. Like if you do Friends of the Friendless, then you can give out information about the resources available that "we've" tried to create, that would beyond bike rides.

lates.



markd
05.8.12 - 11:48 am

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FUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK FACEBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKK



Coe coe buttaa
05.8.12 - 12:44 pm

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"i hate face book in the riding community mr all day and all night"

Mom ridazz anniversary was not posted here, I suggest removing the Z's from your vests




buckchin
responding to a comment by dudebra420
05.8.12 - 3:32 pm

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miss you, boobie.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by buckchin
05.8.12 - 3:57 pm

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I've contributed a fairly generous amount of money over the years that was supposed to go into upgrades and improvements on event posts and overall discussion/collaboration stuff.

I have yet to see any changes.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by markd
05.8.12 - 4:01 pm

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your attitude has changed ....
for the worse.



trickmilla
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
05.8.12 - 4:06 pm

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haha... goooood point.

also, sorry, but my posts reads as if Im talking about some huge program only geared to one group

The idea I have in mind, is something like a resource page to provide cyclists in general (ie us). something like a resource link on this site, so we know what to provide or what options exist. In that way we're being more inclusive by not just referring to bike rides.

I think we could have a section on understand various rights, medical options/scenarios in case of crash--go to hospital or not, etc. i see it more as an addition to rides in general. I meant to frame it as, because I do some work with a particular group, i wouldn't mind trying to work on the resource aspect that include information that may be specific to concerns they may have, and we can understand better.

I dont have time to do it, but I could help collaborate. Sort of like, lawyer, doctor, know your rights, etc, page.



markd
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
05.8.12 - 4:07 pm

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I know Tom Forsyth is working on a phone app a long those lines



buckchin
responding to a comment by markd
05.8.12 - 4:11 pm

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Well. If you want something to happen, you do it yourself. Getting people involved to cooperate takes effort. And everybody wants things to be done for them without having put any effort into it themselves.

If you have ideas, make them happen.

If you want people to help with those ideas, ask for people to help you and tell them what you are trying to achieve.

Facebook has derailed a lot of collaborative energy away from Midnight Ridazz. It's a distraction and kills the conversation, the discussions that can be used to help promote events, or to develop and recruit ideas and people and effort to get something done.





Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by markd
05.8.12 - 4:18 pm

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Yeah my attitude is worse. I'll try to change it. I'm just fed up and I want you guys to talk to me about this. okay?



Joe Borfo
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05.8.12 - 4:18 pm

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Dude do you know how many times ive tried to get this site overhauled? Spent months with people working on it, then people realize how much info and shit is in here and they bail. My last programmer got $850 and was supposedly going to have it done in 2 weeks. That was last december.

Hosting split is $30-$50 a month.

Over the years it adds up. Plus there is so much advocacy work to do just to follow up on people's hit and runs or the fucking LADOT and LAPD teaming up to increase speed limits. There is so much happening. I try to deliver dude.... But a true overhaul of this site is going to cost 5-10 grand. I cant afford it right now.

Fuck facebook. Everyone got snookered into the walmart of social networking sites. Me too. Im always on that thing. Its so easy to post and join the convo on there and allow some group of the wealthiest interests on the planet study your deepest secrets. They know even who you lurk on, they collect your text stream as you write it and rewrite it before you hit send.

I know so many of you as iddybiddy icons on there and know everything about you when i see you in person.

There is something to be said about this website in that you could be completely anonymous if you want, even to me.

On Fb you can have privacy to others, sort of but there is no privacy to the owners and the investors of facebook. The same class of people who own google and apple and all these insanely wealthy and intelligent groups of people.

I miss the frenzy of the old forums so much. I liked that people could fuck with the code because it allowed mischevious people to exhibit restraint and earn trust with everyone.

Cont'd





Roadblock
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05.9.12 - 1:24 am

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The one thing i do hate is being skurd to lose some big long rant on a session timeout...


But, FB is amazingly well developed. Hats off and the good news is people are still riding bikes. Though FB is isolating. You are only exposed to your own circle of friends and its seems difficult to meet new people or hear new or radically different points of view. I think we need occasionally to be offended and have to deal with an offensive point of view. FB doesn seem to provide that.



Roadblock
05.9.12 - 1:31 am

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The $850 is a half up front payment. Dude is not gonna finish this.... He just moved too. Im fucked.



Roadblock
05.9.12 - 1:32 am

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It's no big deal. I just am happy to get you and others talking about stuff again.

Maybe not a major change. But just some upgrades to calendar stuff and event post discussions that are flagged to get more attention.

I'll get back on a bike soon. I swear.


Way too many poopie diapers to deal with lately. I'm losing my mind...


Gnkoarrf.



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Roadblock
05.9.12 - 2:23 am

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Its sounds really simple... Just a calendar or this and that. But its not. Its either overhaul and switch to word press... Or modify whats here. Im committed to preserving the history thats in the database and that is what is holding everything back.



Roadblock
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05.9.12 - 7:43 am

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I don't see anything wrong with this website at all. I don't see a need for upgrades or changes, even though I'd like to be able to add a pic from my computer instead of piggybacking it from flickr (also gay). I don't think it's just face book (gay) that appears to be changing things here, I think that the make up of the people in the bike scene have changed as well and with that change, comes a change in ideas, vigor and vim if you will of the overall zeitgeist of the LA bike scene. There are other forces at work here. I know a lot of the people that were really charged about bikes got older, finished school, got married, had kids, or just got burned out. While I seldom go out to rides anymore in fear they are just a two-wheeled rave, I am guilty of such things as well. I'd like to do more or at least participate more in other people's events. It's a tough one. Just as my comic says, facebook is for losers and I mean it through and through. So, the first step is to delete your account. The next step is to only post your ride ideas etc here. I know this would be swimming upstream but I have not given into drinking the devil semen and yet my events continue to grow, some have done so greatly. So my point being I don't see it as necessary. This site can be a great resource if you chose to make it so, it has been in the past. I'd say we're past our boom time and we will shrink a bit to a small but dedicated and driven core of bike nuts and a mass of bike riders that will enjoy the events that come about.

As I've stated many times before, I'm willing to help out in the for of ideas, time, space, or sweat to make things happen. Mark if you made a pamphlet, I'd help you fold them up and have them at my shop for people, they are hungry for bike related maps and information.



rev106
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05.9.12 - 7:57 am

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I dont really have too much to say about FB vs MR. What I thought really sucked about the move to FB, was that it co-opted something that grew here.

I think there's a bit of older generation (jeez.. Older = 8 yrs?) angst going on. We can get stuck in the "it has to be done this way", "this is that way it happens", "we need to back to this or that", because as Rev noted, shit changed--for the better too in many ways.

Rev, yeah, its something I've been wanting to do for a minute. I helped with a cyclist medic training that I posted here about a year or so ago. I've been wanting to combine the various DIY, self-sufficiency stuff into one space. A zine would be dope, and I could do it with my own friends outside of MR.

We should have a link with a kind of 'in memory of all the banned trolls'. You never really know what you have until its gone.

Ban the LAPD and bring back the trolls!



markd
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05.9.12 - 9:51 am

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A zine would be cool. I think at this time I've hand folded near 50,000 zines in my life time so a few more won't matter to me much. No, I'm not exaggerating 50k, son. Meeting in person is the way we get things rolling, the internet being for non-committal, whishy- washy, fence walking.

BRING IT.



rev106
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05.9.12 - 10:19 am

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I still read MR daily.. not much going on but I still read it and comment if I see soemthing. Having said that I'm a serious FB user. I have been for almost 8 years and have no problems using it or see myself stopping anytime soon.





OsnapsonJC
05.9.12 - 12:59 pm

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I've said this for years: You don't need major changes. A little more organization and this place would be your one stop hub for most of your cycling questions, from hit and run questions, to parts, to rides to whatever else you may be looking for.



Jazzy Phat Nastee
05.9.12 - 6:26 pm

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mr loves face


everyone just calm down theyre making up ^^^^^



andres84
05.9.12 - 6:42 pm

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Andres is slowly driving people back to MR, one poop joke at a time



buckchin
responding to a comment by andres84
05.9.12 - 6:50 pm

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I'LL SHOW YOU POOP!



andres84
responding to a comment by buckchin
05.9.12 - 7:13 pm

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lackflag
05.9.12 - 7:21 pm

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Thanks everyone for helping me feel better about all of this. I am in agreement with a lot of you. I guess I just want to see more energy back into this site and 2nd Fridays. And it looks like there may be hope after all.



Joe Borfo
05.9.12 - 7:54 pm

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The 2nd Friday Rides seem to be flourishing this year. People are taking the time to plan ahead of time instead of last second and crowds have been, not only cooperative, but very receptive and all around fun.

Sub forums would be a great addition for those who are looking for a specific need to be filled.

Stay up Borfo!


BORFO2012



Jazzy Phat Nastee
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
05.9.12 - 9:49 pm

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at a certain point I've just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think Borfo should be able to get his website updates.



markd
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05.10.12 - 12:35 am

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I stopped posting rides on this site because I got sick of spending 40 minutes dealing with "br" inserted every goddamn place and the formatting of my post looked like shit.

I hate Facebook, but I have to use it to connect with people - but I also use my own blog, a stupid ass Google Calendar, Tumblr, Twitter, and do most of my work on a cell phone in between repairing bikes and passing out from exhaustion.

This site should be archived and a 2.0 version should be implemented, stat. old.midnightridazz.com would do the trick.

The site needs to be mobile friendly, or that is it - the revolution ends at the feet of Zuckerberg.



ubrayj02
05.10.12 - 10:58 am

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Daaammmn Im almost 3k in posts on this.



OsnapsonJC
05.10.12 - 11:55 am

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theres a guy out there with over 15000 posts,,,but hes never been seen my anyone and survived.....



andres84
responding to a comment by OsnapsonJC
05.10.12 - 2:11 pm

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Cmon buddy no fooling me... I know who it.



OsnapsonJC
responding to a comment by andres84
05.10.12 - 4:21 pm

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is



OsnapsonJC
05.10.12 - 4:21 pm

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yes he will show you poop and farts



Coe coe buttaa
responding to a comment by andres84
05.10.12 - 5:00 pm

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Om nom nomnomnom nom!



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by Coe coe buttaa
05.10.12 - 11:08 pm

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I can use MR on a psp. Does that count as mobile friendly?



Rage
responding to a comment by ubrayj02
05.11.12 - 11:14 am

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Clearly the problem is just with me, since you can use it with any internet connected device.



ubrayj02
responding to a comment by Rage
05.12.12 - 8:55 am

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whats the narc to troll ratio on FB ridazz?

you guys got this all wrong. both websites are the problem. we need to go back to making flyers for rides- that way no one will know whats going on and all the taggers/stealers/skuzzers/andres will stay home







TonyBologna
05.12.12 - 9:38 pm

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I remember ride flyers.



Mook
responding to a comment by TonyBologna
05.13.12 - 9:42 am

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I still make ride flyers. Why don't you?



rev106
responding to a comment by Mook
05.15.12 - 7:07 am

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ride fliers on rice paper... they double as a tasty snack



snowcone
05.15.12 - 11:05 am

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He's back!



Joe Borfo
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05.15.12 - 11:18 am

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snowcone
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
05.15.12 - 11:26 am

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whatever happened to sending ride invites by mail? does anyone else still do that?



snowcone
05.16.12 - 3:32 pm

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Whatever happened to predictability?



theroyalacademy
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05.16.12 - 3:57 pm

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The milkman, the paperboy, evening TV?



theroyalacademy
05.16.12 - 3:57 pm

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Joe Borfo
05.16.12 - 4:16 pm

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I'll admit I rarely go on this site anymore.

FB has the groups and it seems easier to find out and hook up with the rides I'm
interested in. Also I have many interesting friends and reading their post can be more
entertaining than reading the post of some snot nosed Hipster.

On the other hand you can talk some shit to these Hipsters on this site

So not quiting MR just yet, besides how would we know what Rev106 is up to ?





Dedicated818
05.17.12 - 8:27 am

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Just waiting on home Internet so I can DL my fb photo albums, then disabling my account permanently. Haven't been on facebook for going on 8 weeks so I could honestly give 2 shits about the site. I agree with everything said about Facebook in this thread and I'll be down to help spread some ride post love to MR fo sho

All of my future ride posts will be on MR. Just have to get my new sound bike up and running first ;) shit is taking forever, can't wait



jonnyboy
05.19.12 - 3:22 pm

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+1000000

fuck facebook in the face!!!



andres84
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05.19.12 - 3:53 pm

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Thanks Borfo I feel really old. And he looks like an infant...

Well it happens to the best of us, if we're lucky, that is...:)



alicestrong
responding to a comment by Joe Borfo
05.19.12 - 7:29 pm

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David turns 60 this year.




Creative Thing
responding to a comment by alicestrong
05.19.12 - 8:20 pm

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Seeing Snowcodes name made me whet. MR is like the 3 am guaranteed hook up, you like to get a handy BJ, but you don't want to go to dinner. mR 4 Life



Foldie
05.20.12 - 12:47 am

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http://www.facebook.com/events/443037669058742/?context=create



lackflag
05.20.12 - 3:25 am

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Wow Craig, I flattered!





rev106
responding to a comment by lackflag
05.20.12 - 7:19 am

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If I want to notify people, I'm just going to write messages on paper airplanes and see how far they fly.

Or maybe an over-sized balloon like that one richtotheie came across.



bentstrider
05.20.12 - 9:47 am

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alicestrong
05.21.12 - 5:45 am

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I know Mark Zuckberberg sucks and all that, but it is much easier to post rides on Facebook than on MR. Every time I post a ride on MR, the HTML gets all messed up. I know it's probably easy to fix, but I just don't have the energy or time.

On the other hand, MR allows you to reach new people.



liquidpremium
responding to a comment by alicestrong
06.11.12 - 6:09 pm

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Those stupid html line breaks only show up when you first create a ride. After you've edited the ride once, the formatting will be exactly as you enter it. So the workaround here is to just copy your ride post to the clipboard before posting got the first time, then edit the ride and paste the original text/html back over the messed up text with all the extra break tags. It's a ridiculous thing to have to do just to edit a ride, but there you have it.

There's also another bug that only seems to show up when using Chrome, where lines over a certain length get regular old text line breaks (not html br tags) inserted into them. Whether this is Chrome's fault or the MR site's fault is anybody's guess.



nathansnider
responding to a comment by liquidpremium
06.11.12 - 9:45 pm

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The Ride Leader's Lament



Joe Borfo
responding to a comment by nathansnider
06.11.12 - 9:56 pm

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Why am I the only one posting as always?. I need to get a life.





Joe Borfo
06.11.12 - 10:42 pm

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Hey Roadblock, when's the IPO for MR? I got 5 on it...



JOKER
06.12.12 - 12:10 am

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Will have to give that a try. I DO always use Chrome to make matters worse. I just leave the HTML messed up and hope nobody holds that against me.



liquidpremium
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06.12.12 - 5:02 pm

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FUCK THE USER FRIENDLYNESS OF FB. its all about the anolog



MoM RIDAZ420
06.12.12 - 5:41 pm

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so good and so true



andres84
07.5.12 - 1:16 am

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True. MR will always be on top as long as it has unfettered HTML access- except now you can't post a script tag ;) bring back the script tags roadblock! I need the poop dick thread! PLEASE!



jonnyboy
responding to a comment by nathansnider
07.5.12 - 1:27 pm

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I always thought that the code hacking made the site fun and dramatic and... it had a strange trustbuilding element to it... like the possibility was there to be a dick and destroy the layout completely... but most of the time people resisted the urge to fuck it up too badly...



Roadblock
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07.6.12 - 12:36 am

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